It all started with the Soviet invasion of Afghan in 1979 and pakistan intervension with the help of USA and Soudi Arabia .It was during Bhutto's rule that the Taliban gained prominence in Afghanistan and took power in 1996. Bhutto viewed the Taliban as a group that could stabilize Afghanistan and enable trade access to the Central Asia.Pakistani govt with the help of USA provided military and financial support for the Taliban, even sending the Pakistani army into Afghanistan. Eventually nov 11 wrath had led to war on Afghan and Iraq ...
Now , the whole world is being punished from Islamic Extremists and Terrorist groups.
We didn't start the fire It was always burning Since the world's been turning..
We didn't start the fire No we didn't light it But we tried to fight it ..
Pakistan NEEDS to give back Waziristan region back to Afghanistan as they should have after Durand line 100 year treaty expired in 1990s (like Hong Kong went back to china). This will eliminate the excuse mushraf uses to why pak military cannot go there (autonomous region) and NATO cannot come into (Pakistan territory). Pakistan grabbed this land after treaty expired and called it a autonomous region . It needs to give it back as it should have in the first place. Then NATO can go in and clean the place out, local pashtuns will like that too.
The elite of Pakistan is made up of descendants of erstwhile Moghul/Turkish rulers who form the elite in Pakistan. This elite in Pakistan hankers for the the days of the glory of moghul/turkish rule when they formed the ruling class. This Pakistani ruling class has used religion for its own end while being educated in westernised convent schools of Murree ( like our Doon and Sanawar school ). They have used the people in North -West provinces - the Pathans and they have used the lower class muslims in Pakistan to forment trouble in India. The same have now turned against this elite now - the army and the upper echelons of bureaucracy/industry. The fight is not between Hindus and Muslims but between the white race ( turks/moghuls ) and other south asians.
RE:Pakistan's problem is not because of religion. Its a racial issue.
by apurva singh on Oct 21, 2007 04:45 PM Permalink
interesting observation. so basically it is turk/mughals ruling, and hindu converts doing the labor work, including jehadi work.
According to me people who malign other religions ( Islam is the most maligned ) are people who are insecure about their own faith & religion & basically fear the religion which they are trying to disgrace or malign . So people grow up & be secure about your own faith 7 stop maligning islam , it does not make a difference to muslims or islam , we are very secure about our faith & these baseless & useless allegations are of no concern us - if we want we can go to lengths trying to malign hinduism christianity etc , but our religion doesn't teach us that , contrary to what you"ll might think.- Peace be upon all & may you"ll be guided to truth ( whatever it may be).
RE:RE:insecure
by Pankaj Gadkari on Oct 20, 2007 03:43 PM Permalink
I wish,my dear friend,if only every muslim had understood and practiced Islam as you have,this world would have been a much better place to live!!!!!!
RE:insecure
by apurva singh on Oct 21, 2007 02:43 PM Permalink
the problem is htat muslims are not tolerant of other cultures and beliefs. koran does not allow that. so naturally, it is not possible to co exist with muslims. in an internationalized society with jehad now being exported, it is not possible to exist with muslims nations either. unless a major reform occurs in islamic way of life and they recognize the viewpoint of other religions and accept it.
RE:insecure
by bharati sarkar on Oct 21, 2007 02:19 AM Permalink
Why is it then that muslims slaughter the innocent cow and the bull ? They slaughter their mother who gives her milk for them to grow up big and strong and they slaughter the bull their father, who enjoys working hard, tilling the land, to provide us with grain.How can anyone win the inner struggle for virtue(jehad) if they kill and eat their mother and father?What kind of ethos is that? How can you claim your religion to be peaceful?I have read that in your scripture it is not permitted to cage a bird.Obviously it means that caging is a traumatic experience for the bird and therefore it should be set free.If that is so then where is the question of slaughtering a cow or a bull? Isn't it contradictory/comical to release the bird and slaughter the cow? Quran permit others to follow their own religion.If that is so then why did prophet Mohammed kill the arabs who worshipped idols.Is that not contradictory? Also why is it that your scripture instructs to forcibly convert others to the muslim religion.Is that not contradictory? Also if a muslim converts to another religion he is condemmed to die.Is that not contradictory? Krsna says 'sarva yonishu kaunteya...aham bija pradha pita',that is 'of all living entities,I am the seed giving father'.That makes the animals too our own brothers and sisters.The word 'religion' implies mercifulness.If there is no mercifullness you can safely reject that religion.
RE:insecure
by R Chakravarti on Oct 21, 2007 11:50 AM Permalink
Why single out Muslims for killing cattle when others do it too? Are Hindus all vegetarian? Everyone is full of contradictions but we have to live with them and with each other.
RE:insecure
by Haris on Oct 21, 2007 06:37 AM Permalink
>> Quran permit others to follow their own >>religion.
This is correct. Islam says there is no compulsion in Religion. The ultimate aim is to prtect one from the punishment in the world here after.
>>If that is so then why did prophet Mohammed >>kill the arabs who worshipped idols.Is that >>not contradictory?
This is not correct if you read the history. They where taken to war to protect themself. This is logical. Think we as a nation, if somebody attack us and kill our people are we supposed to sit not preventing them or attack them. THis was the same situation of muslims in thoses years.
RE:insecure
by ameena on Nov 08, 2007 02:53 AM Permalink
the cow is your mother and you deserve her. by the way is your father a bull or what. a cow is not my mother. I already have a mother she is beautiful and surprise surprise she is a human being.
RE:lesser the number of muslims in the world
by Ismail Sayyed on Oct 20, 2007 02:51 PM Permalink
First of all have courage to show your correct identity. Let the search for true worship begin by your true name. frm Michel jackson's brother to Mike tyson, from Cat stevenson to Frank ribery list of worlds renowned figures embracing Islam is increasing...plus thousand of ordinary people...this is happening all over the world...DESPITE world media's negative propaganda against this true religion from God....all these hate messages are coming either out ignorance or misunderstandings...Knowledge is the only way to understand ISLAM...pls visit www.islamonline.net
RE:RE:lesser the number of muslims in the world
by R Chakravarti on Oct 21, 2007 11:58 AM Permalink
Like you, I also think my religion (Hinduism/Sanatana Dharma) is the "true religion from God".
But I have never said so before.
When we make such statements there is an implicit condemnation of other religions, which is not a good thing!
RE:RE:RE:lesser the number of muslims in the world
by selah on Oct 22, 2007 09:38 AM Permalink
if u dont beleave that ur religion is true how u can follow it dear. so it is well known to everybody thet everybody believes that their religion is tru. so what is the next step. it should be welcomed by society to discuss between the reliegions to understand each other with full respect. why we do scare to discuss about our religion what we believes it is purely true for us.
RE:RE:RE:lesser the number of muslims in the world
by ram on Oct 22, 2007 02:17 PM Permalink
Dear Chakarvarti!!! we cant fallow wht our ancestors fallow without knowing is it rght or wrong. we should study & make our mind power to understand whts wrong and whts right.Dear Chakravarti we cant give a shape to god, god is beyond our imagination we cnt imagin him, every thing which we can see which we can feel, which we can imagin is made by god. God is one. no wife ,no brother, no sister, god is every where.......... god have no birth & no death, god is the most superpower who controls everything no thing can move itself...............god is one..................
RE:RE:RE:RE:lesser the number of muslims in the world
by ram on Oct 22, 2007 02:26 PM Permalink
there is no religion. every thing is made by god and people should adopeted the best way to pray. in fropnt of god every one is same. if he is muslim, sikh , hindhu, christen, jew and so own........... differency is who is fallow him and who is not fallow him. God love a person many many many times more then a mother. every body is same for god, like all childerns for a mother but some childerns love & respect to there mother and some not, one who love and respect there mother are also more beloved by there mother then others who dnt care there mother. i think we can understand by this. biggest thing is camparing. we cant campare any thing with god and we can gave a shape to god for pray.......... Its depand on ones who he understand.
RE:lesser the number of muslims in the world
by shrikant deshpande on Oct 20, 2007 03:53 PM Permalink
Well I am not sure abt islam and dont want to comment on Islam. But matter of fact is that Many Islam followers are getting to the extrimism. Well we all sholuld do something who r on right path. understand that its not islam but fait of followers in the Extimism.
RE:RE:RE:lesser the number of muslims in the world
by anis ahmad on Dec 28, 2007 04:07 AM Permalink
Hindus are the first followers of the God and his books given to the messengers, you have Vedas and Puranas. why dont u read them. why not available easily in the market preferably in original form, but Ramayana is available which does not have any authenticity - Read your Vedas and u will also believe only one nirankar bramha the super power - it would be worthmentioned here that God always sent his messengers all the time every where even in India also - read their books e.g. vedas, torah, bible, ten commandments of Moses - at last, may be u wont like to listen this name but words of God Quran. - i believe if u vil read Vedas sure then u will Quran also.
RE:RE:RE:lesser the number of muslims in the world
by ram on Oct 22, 2007 02:04 PM Permalink
Dear Vasanth Srinivas!!! u ask a good Qus.Islam is true religion by muslim View. First thing is Tht islam is not a religion of 7th century. Its the Oldest Religion.Accourding to muslim sources god send 1lakh24thousand massanger in whole world & Mohammand (pbuh)is the last massanger of god. all massanger come with one goal & motive.all masangers give same teaching.before god's massanger come in every comuanity, every place if its america, england, india, or any plcace. God send massanger in every [part of earth. gods massangers as per Islam like jeses, moses, Nuh, abrahim, soloman, David,lut ,& muslims are not shore who was massanger in india & is ram or krishna are massanger of god muslims have no clue becoz in quran out of 1lackh 24thousand only 25 to 35 massangers mention by name.mohammand is the last massanger of god he give same teachings whic were given by before coming massangers. before massangers were for particular region or comunity but mohumand(pbuh) is for whole world becoz after him no massanger is coming frm god.so we cant say islam start frm 7thcentury but we can say gods last massanger come on 7thcentrey...
India should learn a lesson from Pakistan.Everyone knows Pakistan is a Failed State made on the basis of Religion.India on the other Hand is a Thriving economy. You know why India is doin better b'coz it shuns extremism & terrorism while pakistan chose to take the path of extremism.Our Country was ruled by a secular & Nationalist parties which is responsible for making our Country Self Reliant.. If We indians also chose the path of Extremism & support terror based parties(RSS) like Pakistan did ,even we will become a Banana Republic like them.. Best way is Shun Extremism & Follow the Path of peace.. In other words dont Elect Parties on Religious Basis..
RE:A Lesson!!
by Arvind Singh on Oct 20, 2007 12:26 PM Permalink
Poor GK, RSS is not a political party. To inform you Mr. Tata ghata Mukh erjee RSS is a organisation engaged in social service, it teaches one to work for youself.
RE:A Lesson!!
by Anurag Shrivastava on Oct 21, 2007 02:39 PM Permalink
Stop seeing from a religious angle. For a moment imagine this is a fight between white people ( moghuls/turks ) and south asians. Do you also notice how some members of India's punjabi elite feel more at home with their "pakistani friends" than with the other Indians ?
The elite of Pakistan is made up of descendants of erstwhile Moghul/Turkish rulers who form the elite in Pakistan. This elite in Pakistan hankers for the the days of the glory of moghul/turkish rule when they formed the ruling class. This Pakistani ruling class has used religion for its own end while being educated in westernised convent schools of Murree ( like our Doon and Sanawar school ). They have used the people in North -West provinces - the Pathans and they have used the lower class muslims in Pakistan to forment trouble in India. The same have now turned against this elite now - the army and the upper echelons of bureaucracy/industry. The fight is not between Hindus and Muslims but between the white race ( turks/moghuls ) and other south asians. The white race has turned Indians against other Indians using religion.
Jinnah founded Pakistan NOT for religious purposes but because he did not accept "Indian" masses ruling the country. Elite white muslims migrated to Pakistan leaving behind their converted desi brethren to their fate.
