First of all quite a reasonable forum.It does seem that majority of Indians have finally started reading the dirty politics behind these things.That is good.As for as Sikhs are concerned, they can face challenges and are used through out the times in history to face much worse.It will be good to ponder upon as Indians to see what is wrong with our system as a whole.Indians are running sucessful big businesses and are helping the worl economy grow but I think we are not serious enough about facing our own short comings. The whole system, political,social, judical seems to tb brocken.I hope ordinary masses will force the leaders to fall in line and be accountable.Poor and weak need to get justice (not the political labeling kind but the real one to the real needy). May be then we as a society can face these things even before these happen.
Sikhs and their Hindu friends here are calling anyone who makes anti-Sikh statements as ISI agents. There is no sense of responsibility and shame for terrorists' action most likely carried out by Sikhs. I wonder where their common sense is. Sikhs here on this forum by not condemning these Sikh terrorists are just supporting them
Its because every reasonable person knows, Sikh terrorism was because of Indira's misguided policies to sacrifice some Hindus in Punjab, thus derive some Hindu backlash as votebank!
Sikhs are bravest Indian, and need no cerificate from Jehadis and Congress stooge.
The Paki ISI agents are back again, this time trying to divide Hindus and Sikhs by posting anti-Sikh comments and brining in Sikh religion into discussion.
The Sikhs are great Indians. Every Hindu owes our Sikh brothers for the bravery and sacrifice they have made historically againt Muslim invaders and in the wars against the Pakis since independence.
RE:Beware of Paki ISI trolls...
by Aramac Memon on Oct 16, 2007 07:53 AM Permalink
BASED ON THIS BRILLIANT MESSAGE I THINK ISI CONTROLS THE WORLD (OR IS IT CIA...) OR ICIA OR ....
If ISI was so brilliant why could Pakistan not even make a Motorycle engine themselves.
Indians after 50 years of Indipendants manufactured its first ever indegenously designed motorcycle engine in 1998. Why cannot Pakistanis and ISI
RE:Beware of Paki ISI trolls...
by Virgo on Oct 16, 2007 08:05 AM Permalink
While we Indians focused on education, technology and economic progress, you pakis focused on Jihadism and terrorism. And, I must admit it, you pakis and your ISI are very good at Jihadism and terrorism.
RE:Beware of Paki ISI trolls...
by Mr H on Oct 16, 2007 08:17 AM Permalink
what does a motorcycle engine have to do with this man?? y didnt you compare anything else. lol, motorcycle engine, this is funny!
RE:Beware of Paki ISI trolls...
by Ram Chauthariya on Oct 16, 2007 07:32 AM Permalink
What nonsense. It is the Sikhs, suffering from an inferiority complex like their Muslim brothers and are out to, massacre us idol-worshipping Hindus again out of Punjab
RE:RE:Beware of Paki ISI trolls...
by Virgo on Oct 16, 2007 08:07 AM Permalink
It is important because we know you are a Paki agent and pakis are not welcome here on our forums.
You may impersonate a Hindu and an Indian, but you bad paki smell gives you away! LMFAO!!
I am a red blooded hindu.You can call hindus anything but it is an upardonable offence to say anything agsinst the sikhs.They are the reason Hindus are able to exist in this country.We are indebted to them for what they did and have been doing for the country.They are the most patriotic people in the country and idiots who speak bad things about them should have their tongues slit open. If god gave me the power I would roast every idiot who committed attrocities on them in 1984 in a red hot tandoor and throw them to the dogs.
RE:Indians who speak ill of Sikhs should be beheaded
by quitcricket on Oct 16, 2007 07:17 AM Permalink
Memon tere naam se hi pata chalta hai teri jaat kya hai ....
RE:Indians who speak ill of Sikhs should be beheaded
by Aramac Memon on Oct 16, 2007 07:37 AM Permalink
SURE I AM. HENCE I CAME TO THIS BOARD.. HE SEND ME AS HIS AMBASSADOR FROM HELL..
RE:Indians who speak ill of Sikhs should be beheaded
by Aramac Memon on Oct 16, 2007 07:08 AM Permalink
Yes. But the people who committed these atrocities on the Skih people are long dead. Bhindranwale, Longowal etc. AISSF leaders are all dead
RE:Indians who speak ill of Sikhs should be beheaded
by quitcricket on Oct 16, 2007 07:13 AM Permalink
Idiot! If you dont know just keep your dirty mouth shut! Longowal was a saint. This is a problem these ignorant fools are confused and keep others confused as well.
RE:RE:Indians who speak ill of Sikhs should be beheaded
by Aramac Memon on Oct 16, 2007 07:15 AM Permalink
Sure he was.. Only responsible for 65,000 deaths. ANOTHER SIKH PRETENDING AS A HINDU
RE:RE:Long live Sikh-Hindu Unity
by Aramac Memon on Oct 16, 2007 07:56 AM Permalink
Becuase Pakistanis are Idiots. You are giving more credit to them than they ever deserve.
Pakistan's ISI's annual budget is 150 millions. They cannot even pay thier employees with decent salary with this money.. YOU ARE PARANOID.. PAKISTANIS CANNOT EVEN CONTROL THIER COUNTRY HOW CAN THEY CONTROL OTHERS... THINK ABOUT IT ...
RE:Long live Sikh-Hindu Unity
by Virgo on Oct 16, 2007 08:10 AM Permalink
Now how would you know the paki ISI budget unless you are a Paki ISI agent? All you paki newspapers complain about how the ISI budget is hidden from public scrutiny.
RE:Long live Sikh-Hindu Unity
by quitcricket on Oct 16, 2007 07:10 AM Permalink
LOng live SIKH-HINDU Brotherhood people like Ram Chauthriaya ki Chutad pe kas ke laat lagao
RE:RE:Long live Sikh-Hindu Unity
by Aramac Memon on Oct 16, 2007 07:38 AM Permalink
HINDUS ARE COWARDS.. 65,000 HINDUS KILLED NO PROBLEM. I STILL LOVE SIKHS...
RE:Long live Sikh-Hindu Unity
by Ram Chauthariya on Oct 16, 2007 07:06 AM Permalink
No one is questioning the past. We are living and talking about the present and our future.
by Disco King on Oct 16, 2007 06:34 AM Sikh terrorist have killed over 300 people in the kaniska Air crash...sikh gurdwaras in canada have weapons hung on their walls with paintings of sikhs killing hindus, they have photos of bhindrinwala , he was not a guru?!.....Sikhs can be as aggressive as muslim historically...sikh students in canada hate thier hindu counter parts...Maybe we should not consider them sikhs but they are sikhs...Guru Nanak and all the sikh guru's werehindus in the first place ...so why all this hatred?! Our prime minister is sikh, so why do sikhs think they are being discriminated? Why do sikhs want to ruin it for themselves? By putting bombs in crowded places or public transport,what does the poor person death have to do with achieving Khalistan? dont they realize that they are killing sikhs also?
RE:Sikhs hatered for India
by Ram Chauthariya on Oct 16, 2007 06:56 AM Permalink
You are right. We also saw what Sikhs did during the Khalistan days, and more recently during Dera Sucha controversy. They openly preach violence in Canada and USA against Hindus and India. This is not an exception but it (violence) is becoming norm now for the Sikhs.
RE:RE:Sikhs hatered for India
by Atul Desai on Oct 16, 2007 07:58 AM Permalink
ram, who would you react if some one tried to act like lord RAMA or Krishna and played with our sentiments that's what ram rahim is doing and he told ppl to vote for congress... and sikhs never attacked him instead his followers attacked sikhs. go to punjab and see it for yourself.
RE:Sikhs hatered for India
by im on Oct 16, 2007 08:19 AM Permalink
I think this ram chauthariya is bloddy basted is talking nonsene. And he is trying to play divide and rule game.
RE:RE:Sikhs hatered for India
by Ram Chauthariya on Oct 16, 2007 07:22 AM Permalink
Right and a lot more had to leave their homeland just because they were Hindus. Sikhs and their foolish Hindu apologists only talk about 84 riots but do not say why those riots happened.
RE:Sikhs hatered for India
by Aramac Memon on Oct 16, 2007 07:39 AM Permalink
SIKH TERRORISTS HAS KILLED MORE HINDUS THAN ALL OF THE MUSLIMS SINCE 1947
RE:Sikhs hatered for India
by Ram Chauthariya on Oct 16, 2007 08:00 AM Permalink
Hindus were almost wiped out from Punjab thanks to peace loving Sikhs. Thank Indira Gandhi for having the guts to invade their terror headquarters in Golden Temple to save the Hindus and the country.
RE:Sikhs hatered for India
by Atul Desai on Oct 16, 2007 07:56 AM Permalink
disco kind out 340 ppl killed in that crash 280 were sikhs. and if you ever allow real investigations you will know who did that crash. let me tell you why they want khalistan. electericity is produced in punjab but harayana and delhi gets it cheaper than punjab and no cuts while punjab gets 6-8 hours cut. under riparian law water belongs to a particular state if it goes through that state. harayana and rajishtan get it for free from punjab for last 40 years and punjab pays to haryana for their water. we used to import grains from australia but sikhs with only 1.3% population prouduced 58% of indian's grain but they get paid less per ton than other states. all hindi movies have 3-4 punjabi songs but some hindus in jalandhar and amritsar proclaim their mother tongue is hindi but they tell that in punjabi to the census bureu i went to school in jalandhar while my dad worked there. we have always treated them 2nd class citizens and i have enough guts and common sense to accept that, while south created wealth for them sikhs's each family enlisted one kid for indian army. in 1971 every punjabi family did fast for one day a week to send food to the border when indian army was short on food. Nehru should have allowed general i forget his first name but general bhullar, a sikh to finish pakistan in 1965/1971 when he told nehru that these pakis will never let us live in peace. LONG LIVE HINDU-SIKH EKTA.
RE:Shame On Rediff
by Virgo on Oct 16, 2007 06:16 AM Permalink
Don't worry. Only the pakis on this forum will try to bring in Sikh religion in to this to try to divide the country just as they try with Hindus-Mulsims. Indians know this old paki ISI trick.
RE:Shame On Rediff
by Ram Chauthariya on Oct 16, 2007 06:58 AM Permalink
Take the responsibilty. Do not blame others for your own acts of violence. Just like Khalistan days, Hindu migrant laborers were targeted. Very shameful for Sikhs.What kind of religion is this?
RE:Shame On Rediff
by Disco King on Oct 16, 2007 06:34 AM Permalink
Sikh terrorist have killed over 300 people in the kaniska Air crash...sikh gurdwaras in canada have weapons hung on their walls with paintings of sikhs killing hindus.....Sikhs can be as aggressive as muslim historically...sikh students in canada hate thier hindu counter parts...Maybe we should not consider them sikhs but they are sikhs...Guru Nanak and all the sikh guru's werehindus in the first place ...so why all this hatred?!
Most religions do have some philosophy regarding peace and non-violence. Some religions preach warfare for some reasons, others shun violence whatsoever. I shall list religions having violence as theme in decreasing order. 1. Islam 2. Christianity (though Christ never preached violence, his followers do) 3. Sikhism 4. Hinduism 5. Budhism & Jainism
Have you evr heard of Budhists and Jains involved in violence. they are generally victims as in Sri lanka or Myanmar.
RE:Religion and peace
by Aramac Memon on Oct 16, 2007 07:43 AM Permalink
SURE THEY ARE.. HOW ABOUT JAPAN IN WWII. Read about the Japanese conquest of China and East Asia...
JAINISM - THE DO NOT KILL PHYSICALLY BUT THEY WILL MENTALLY DRIVE PEOPLE TO DESPAIR.. MOST MONEY LENDERS WHO PREY ON WEAK AND DRINK HUMAN BLOOD AND DRIVE FAMILIES TO SUICIDE AND LET THE CHILDREN AND GRAND CHILDREN SUFFER FOR DECADES
RE:Religion and peace
by Arshdeep Singh on Oct 16, 2007 04:41 AM Permalink
Kalki Forget other religions, have you ever read Geeta (assuming you are Hindu)? Even I dont know about other religions but what I am sure of my religion (and almost sure of other religions) is that We need to help poors and innocents and in this process if you need to fight anybody, it is 'Approved'. We carry the sword, we wear the turbans since anybody, i repeat anybody (Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Jain or anybody else) can easily recognise us and come to us for help and We, being the Sikhs, CAN NOT DENY.
RE:Religion and peace
by jimmy on Oct 16, 2007 05:00 AM Permalink
What ever the world say about sikhs, I don't care. I have high respect for Sikhs. It's because of sikhs Hindus have survived other wise muslims would have wiped out hindus during partition days. However somone might definitely say about Golden Temple. For that my answer would be that Indira Gandhi was no saint. Infact Kalki we should work towards uniting Sikhs, Christian and Hindus and fight for the disease worse than AIDS and Cancer i.e. ISLAM.
RE:Religion and peace
by deepak on Oct 16, 2007 05:31 AM Permalink
Are you crazy kalki??? Japanese are murderous warriors with a penchant for suicide. That is not a direct teaching of Buddhism but the theory of reincarnation has been used by Japanese to take an indifferent view of death. As for your contention abt violence as a theme, you forgot to mention the basic & most unique aspect of Islam. It is a political system more than anything else. Islam established a Caliphate with a vision to bring evryone to the supposed path of revelations from Allah. No other religion is a 'divine' political system.
RE:Religion and peace
by Ram Chauthariya on Oct 16, 2007 07:00 AM Permalink
Again Hindus and Buddhists have also committed great acts of violence. But these acts are not daily acts of terror directed against civilians like Muslims do and now Sikhs seem to join in.
RE:Religion and peace
by rajeev on Oct 16, 2007 06:47 AM Permalink
it is wrong to say that a religion preaches voilence, let it be any. Islam fundamentalist have interpretted that in their own sense but it again is their own for selfish gains. Christanity and islam preach them selves more so that they get more converted to their belife. I would say they are insecure and do not have deep foundations to stand on. As one of them is imposed and the other is narrated scientifically. Sikhiism does not preach violence. Keep in mind sikhism is a following and belief, and sikh is the only soldier who has the rights to protect the hindu religion. Sikhism preaches love, purity and equalness and power with confidence to be executed if the need be. Jainism /buddhism preaches the sanyas , again it is a following. The two followings are the right and left shoulders of hinduism. To percentile them is no way a balanced approach. Christanity never preached violence by jesus, but the ineterpretence by the people down the line to impose their upmanship they have changed the sermon of love during barbaric times which is again based on hindu scriptures to sermons of conversion and insecurity. islam was imposed so that the ruler could be considered as god as he was not, but again both these religions or followings have come up during the barbaric times so give them the doubt of being young. Hinduism has existed and been in existence since the human origin to last infinite date. Hinduism is not a religion but a principle to live as a human on the planet.
RE:Religion and peace
by rajeev on Oct 16, 2007 07:00 AM Permalink
In continuation , the history is the proof that it was a sikh who bared his chest first to take on the sword or the bullet. You have to know and understand a sikh as he is a human who gives him self to a cause, and that cause is the purity to persist and lead. Sikh is the soldier for the hindu principles and it is being demoted as a religion by some foolish people who are again giving sermons and interpretting the granth in theor own ideology. If you read the granth every word the guru says at the end of evry line is a hari. being from the guru family down many generations i feel sorry how his thoghts and saying have been mutilated for selfish reasons by many organisations.I was shocked to see bhindarwale potraits as guru in many gurudwaras, well the guru who preached love, truth and equalness has now bhindarwalla to share the podium as guru. Does that rapist and politically hungry mane equal the guru gobindsinghs deed any where, but when i see the comparisons by these fools i bleeed a tear of blood as what i see down hundred years is not good because of hatred being spread under this preaching. But any way if a person is a sikh let me tell he will be the first one to give blood than take or harm any, and they do not need proofs to proof them selves. I am not a sikh but i still belive in them and trust them more
First I want to give my sympathies to the families affected by this. Whoever did this needs to be caught and punished. If (and this is a big if) it was Sikh separatists you will see that the Sikh community will be among this first demanding the criminals be arrested. Even Sikh's who want Kalistan do not condone or even try to explain terrorists (and it is a fact that most Sihks in India do not want a seperate state- rather they want and deserve human rights and respect). If it is Islamic militants I hope for a strong rejection by the Muslim community- but it has never happened before. We will only get excuses again.
RE:Sad day.
by Harinder Toor on Oct 16, 2007 03:45 AM Permalink
I second you brother, I am a sikh, and if this activity was done by sikh separatists, I would pray that the one(s) found guilty is/are given the most severe punishment that is applicable to such an inhuman like breach.
RE:Sad day.
by Virgo on Oct 16, 2007 05:44 AM Permalink
Harinder bro, the Khalistan terrorists have an active base in Candada and the US. In Washington DC, they have an open office that is also connected with the ISI. I can dig out the name and address of the washington DC Khalistanis if you like.
Bombay blasts occured a yr back. Nation talked for few days and we had Shilpa Shetty case taking over.
Hyderabad blast occured, we had Ram Sethu debate
Now Ludhiana, we will have something else to dig and sharpen our swords on.
What are we as a society- callous bunch of ppl? short term memory loss patients? Hypocrites?
We have always something or the other distracting us. We give ourseles away to all the poor gimmicks. We fight over almost everything from religion, cinema politics cricket.
But, our govt fails to deliver and infact makes money on our emotional idiocy. We as ppl are nto demanding from the govt.
I have been yelling umpteem number of times never ever to mention any terrorist with his religion. Rediff, Indiatimes - You are the bigger terrorists . You are the culprit of making people think that its the religion that teaches one to kill innocent people.
Please please please stop putting these type of news if you cant put anything better. And for God's sake, dont tag any terrorist with religion.
RE:Religion and Terrorism
by aaaa on Oct 16, 2007 02:38 AM Permalink
But religious gathering provide grounds for preaching. Like we all innumerable times in London streets after friday prayers when those lu*atic preachers preached hatred....
In one of the gurudwara's herein Toronto they had "Long Live Khalistan" poster. I saw this during the desi news. But nothing happened. The people worshipping did not take steps to remove it until it became NEWS 6 months later.
RE:Religion and Terrorism
by Arshdeep Singh on Oct 16, 2007 03:52 AM Permalink
Thats what not my religion teaches and thats not what any other religion instructs - kill innocent people when you dont agree with a third person. Peace, Love, Humanity, Respect. Thats what every religion preaches. People who does not follow this, do not belong to any religion. They are terrorists. Khalistan would be a big mistake if it happens. But again, its always better to have one if there were to be another 1984. I know what did we suffer. I know the pain. And I only see the same pain when I see one Hindu crying over his Dad being killed, when a Muslim mother cries for her lost child, when a christian wife weeps on her husband's unnatural death. Peace. Peace. Peace.
RE:Religion and Terrorism
by Ram Chauthariya on Oct 16, 2007 07:14 AM Permalink
1984 riots happened ten years after Sikhs started a murderous campaign to drive Hindus out of Punjab, killed Indira Gandhi, distributed sweets, ...
RE:Religion and Terrorism
by Chainu Dada on Oct 16, 2007 01:14 AM Permalink
Terrorism is a billion dollar industry. It should not be linked with religions.People who are benefing from this indusrty will never let it die, its going to proper more in future. This is full time job and employment for millions of people
