RE:RE:Some Food for Thoughts!!
by Arjun Periyar on Oct 16, 2007 02:29 PM Permalink
Dear Kureshi, Thanks for expressing your views bravely. If all muslims think like this, then there will be no further conflict in India & India will do progress very fast. Dear Ismail : You have pasted the same message written by Mr. Gladiator. Is this your another nick name apart from "Contractor"?
RE:Some Food for Thoughts!!
by tunak on Oct 16, 2007 02:40 PM Permalink
>>to gladiator and Ismail Gladiator u have not answered the quranic version. >>Islam is a religion of peace. The root word for Islam is "al-Silm," which means "submission" or "surrender." There is no controversy about this among Islamic scholars Fighting is prescribed for Muslims. (Quran, chapter 2, verse 216) So peace and tolerance in Islam are pole apart. >>then why there was 1000 Years of Muslim Rule It was the valiant Hindu resistance that put paid all the savagery of the Muslims to convert all the Hindus to Islam at the pain of death or Jigyaa. >>The Moral of the story is Nobody is compelled >>to change the Religion... Donot teach this. Which i have taken from one of the post. The following are the few peace living islamic organisation. Lashkar-e-Omar (LeO) Hizb-ul-Mujahideen (HM) Harkat-ul-Ansar (HuA, presently known as Harkat-ul Mujahideen) Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) Jaish-e-Mohammad Mujahideen E-Tanzeem (JeM) Harkat-ul Mujahideen (HuM, previously known as Harkat-ul-Ansar) Al Badr Jamait-ul-Mujahideen (JuM) Lashkar-e-Jabbar (LeJ) Harkat-ul-Jehad-i-Islami Al Barq Tehrik-ul-Mujahideen Al Jehad Jammu & Kashir National Liberation Army Peoples League Muslim Janbaz Force Kashmir Jehad Force Al Jehad Force (combines Muslim Janbaz Force and Kashmir Jehad Force) Al Umar Mujahideen Mahaz-e-Azadi Islami Jamaat-e-Tulba Jammu & Kashmir Students Liberation Front Ikhwan-ul-Mujahideen Islamic Students League Tehrik-e-Hurriat-e-Kashmir Tehrik-e-Nifaz-e
RE:Some Food for Thoughts!!
by zinawar on Oct 16, 2007 02:53 PM Permalink
Atlas Shrugs: Islam: Religion of Peace through Barbarism 2007 The religion of barbarism strikes cuts again. Second to die in less than two months. Imagine the terror this little girl suffered. Imagine her horror. ... atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/islam_religion_of_peace_through_barbarism_2007/index.html - 901k - Cached - Similar pages
RE:RE:Some Food for Thoughts!!
by stav on Oct 16, 2007 02:30 PM Permalink
Why did the Parsis run away from Iran with the advent of Islam ?? What is Jazia tax on non muslims ? Islam reformed in India to a great extent, but modern day islam is running back to its wahabbi roots. Kings like Akbar were hardly muslims, he created his own religion, many mughal kings had the reformed version of Islam. But whenever the wahabbi islam came back (aka Aurangzeb ) thousands were killed in its name.
RE:Some Food for Thoughts!!
by JGN on Oct 16, 2007 02:59 PM Permalink
Ismail Sayyed, your claims are contrary to the facts. The general policy of most of the rulers during the 700 years of Muslim occupation of India was to systematically replace the fabric of Hindu society and culture with a Muslim culture. They tried to destroy Indian religions, language and places of knowledge ( e.g Nalanda was totally destroyed by Muslims). They destroyed and desecrated places of thousands of temples including Somnath, Mathura, Benaras, Ayodhaya, Kannauj, Thaneswar and in other places. There was wholesale slaughter of the monks and priests and innocent Hindus with the aim to wipe out the intellectual bedrock of the people they overran.
The Muslims could not subjugate India with ease and were never able to rule it entirely. There was a valiant and ceaseless struggle for independence by Hindus to deliver India from Muslim tyranny. The Rajputs, Jats, Marathas and Sikhs led this struggle in North India. In the South this struggle was embodied in the Vijayanagar Empire. This struggle culminated when the Marathas ended the Muslim domination of India.
All those things happened in an era where MIGHT was RIGHT. There is no need for the Muslims in India to justify the same nor be apologetic about it.
The majority of present day Muslims in India are the decendants of those who suffered at the hands of the invading Arabs. If you want to consider the actocities committed by the invaders on your ancestors, it is your choice!
Your repeated questioning about image worship in hinduism. The hindu worships through the idle not to the idle. Idles are meant for concentration and love, which is directed inward when it is developed enough. In hinduism the only God is the Self. It may be difficult for a monotheist to understand that, without the Self there is no manifestation, So in hinduism the Self is the creator not some external being sitting somewhere. Consciousness is God in hinduism, every worship is only a means towards that consciousness. Monotheism is for idiots, pantheism is intellectual. But if a monotheist sees pantheist without understanding the philosophy he sees idol worship. That is your problem.
RE:Ismail Sayyed
by stav on Oct 16, 2007 02:50 PM Permalink
In hinduism everything is consciousness, this is a very high truth. The hindu philosophy states, matter is manifest as shakti (energy), energy is manifest from thought, though is manifest from consciousness. So it is not a lie to say that an image is not God, God is everything in hinduism, because its a manifestation of consciousness.
RE:Ismail Sayyed
by stav on Oct 16, 2007 03:20 PM Permalink
No hindu has equated God to snakes or monkeys, that is your understanding. In hinduism the Self is the God and the universe its manifestation. Worship of the inner self is the only worship.
RE:RE:Ismail Sayyed
by stav on Oct 16, 2007 02:43 PM Permalink
Consciousness has no image, it is beyond manifestation. But you are bound manifestation. If you can quet your breath and heart in a instant and go into ecstatic communion with your Allah, then you can claim you requirement for basic tools. When a hindu sees his idol the first thing he feels is love, that love is what is important, he directs that love inward. When he has developed that love which captures all his senses and makes him intensely in love with his God, he may not require that idol anymore. So answer me this question, do you love your God to these levels, if not dont be under the impression that you have attained everything.
RE:RE:Ismail Sayyed
by stav on Oct 16, 2007 02:38 PM Permalink
No muslims have not reached higher consciousness, this is what you are thinking and your mad mullah Zakir Naik's argument. Muslims are unable to have devotion, this is very clear, a devotional heart is not violent. There is a lot to higher consciousnees more than praying to an invisible God in the west direction. Higher consciousness is means to go inward, it requires a silent mind. Islam gives no method to silence the mind. It gives no method to go inward. What a pathetic state you are in , its like a first standard boy who thinks he has got a PhD because he wears a phD's graduation gown. That itself limits him going to the second standard.
RE:Ismail Sayyed
by stav on Oct 16, 2007 02:33 PM Permalink
You are telling me as if to say , you know what is God !! If you say God is the creator, I will say without you there is no creation for you. So you are the creator. There is no observable without the observer.
I think if muslims are representing Islam, the meaning should be changed. Because others can't see any peace in them rather revenge, atrocity etc:. Muslim brothers think about it!
RE:Islam means peace! But do muslims have it?
by Swami Aravind on Oct 16, 2007 02:29 PM Permalink
See I am not attacking individual relegion. But all I am saying is everybody thinks that his way to GOD is correct. Its like a BIG JIGSAW played by a small child. The smarted find the way fast, others will be ina riddle for long time. The riddle is their improper faith.
RE:Islam means peace! But do muslims have it?
by Swami Aravind on Oct 16, 2007 02:26 PM Permalink
This is as if Hitler saying "every Jews living now are the examples of my genorosity". Study history in deep. You will find the truth.
By using your words, you seem to be real impotent because you are using a name "Gladiator" which is non-Islamic!! Have a little courage to use your own name & do not hide your identity. For your kind information, I am a Muslim but this doesn't prevent me from critising my own religion. The almighty has given us brain to think & we should use it. Every system in this universe udergoes continuous reforms & religion in general & Islam in perticular can not be exception to this. All other religion have evolved continuously with the course of time. Unfortunately only our religion is opposed to any change & hence we are still living in the sixth century. Unless the necessary reforms are carried out, it would difficult to survive in this modern world. I appreciate your love for our great religion, but still you should not be blind in defending any wrong deeds happened in the past. It is raw truth lots of atrociites happened in the encient times especially in India & that too on the name of religion. Admitting this is not going to degrade our rekigion but it is only going to improve our brotherhood with our brothers from other religion.
RE:Reply to so called
by Arjun Periyar on Oct 16, 2007 02:26 PM Permalink
Dear Kureshi, Thanks for expressing your views bravely. If all muslims think like this, then there will be no further conflict in India & India will do progress very fast. Dear Ismail : You have pasted the same message written by Mr. Gladiator. Is this your another nick name apart from "Contractor"?
RE:Reply to so called
by Imran on Oct 16, 2007 02:23 PM Permalink
Dear Mohammed impressed with ur thoughts, we need more people like you to save the muslims from islam.
RE:Reply to so called
by sharique nezami on Oct 16, 2007 02:47 PM Permalink
Well said brother Ismail. This Imran is another impotent. You knows Imran, you cant hide yourself wrapping a muslim name from a Muslim eyes. First of you all should knows that Muslim are not by his name but by his thoughts and belief.
RE:Modi -the boss
by Sunny Armageddon on Oct 16, 2007 02:41 PM Permalink
If this blood thirsty leader wins again, it means are our electorate is still illiterate and an ignorant lot. Pathetic to find ppl praising him, next they will be praising Adolf Hitler.
Being a General Secretary of the Ruling Party the incempetent politician Mr. Goardhan does not know his responsiblities. He should know that even if there is difference in opinion he should support Mr. Modi at this time, when the election is declared. All politicians are stupid and they find the time of election to quarrell and expose and drag each other on un wanted matters and spoil the image of the party. The high command itself is like that, they try to expose each other, then how the Chamchas keep quiet. No leader quality in any party and its followers, every body wanted to taste the bread "Chair & Power", in south it is known as " A QUARTER AND A MATTER". I would like to ask Mr. Rajnath, Atal and Advani and Mr. Venkaiah Naidu, why they select the unwanted figures as their General Secretaries, who can spoil the image of the party and loose the elections.
If Modi does not play a stern politics, the BJP would have gone to dogs earlier itself. His attitudes towards the party, hindutva and the mass which varies but kept the party intact in power. Now the foolish G/S point out the failure of Power supply and wanted to divert the attraction of the public against Mr.Modi and it would lead to loose the election. Pl. Jaitely, Sourie, Rajnath do something to save the BJP, it is not you people only brought it up, but we are also put our efforts for it, since its inception. If you cannot control the useless personalities, pl. kick them off.
RE:Modi and Hindutva
by Suresh Babu on Oct 16, 2007 03:35 PM Permalink
Dear Sivanandan Nair, Nobody can now save the BJP in Gujarat and definitely BJP will be defeated in the assembly election.
In almost every religion in the world has got pre-written rules. But Hinduism do not have anything like that. Still most ppl love peace and triangulity. Is it really wonderful?
RE:Hinduism amuse me
by Vijay urf Teesmar Khan on Oct 16, 2007 02:26 PM Permalink
Hinduism is not bound to any one book or any one person. It is really a human religion, a second name for humanity. Any body believing in Hindutva also believes in freedom of thoughts and does all activities in terms of mankind.
RE:Hinduism amuse me
by Sunny Armageddon on Oct 16, 2007 02:36 PM Permalink
Sorry to disappoint you Swamiji, Hinduism too has pre-written rules and much more called Manu Smriti. Peace and Tranquility exists in all people irrespective of their religion and is not exclusive to Hinduism. I do not wish to expound on this coz of offending, but do read History for a change.
By using your words, you seem to be real impotent because you are using a name "Gladiator" which is non-Islamic!! Have a little courage to use your own name & do not hide your identity. For your kind information, I am a Muslim but this doesn't prevent me from critising my own religion. The almighty has given us brain to think & we should use it. Every system in this universe udergoes continuous reforms & religion in general & Islam in perticular can not be exception to this. All other religion have evolved continuously with the course of time. Unfortunately only our religion is opposed to any change & hence we are still living in the sixth century. Unless the necessary reforms are carried out, it would difficult to survive in this modern world. I appreciate your love for our great religion, but still you should not be blind in defending any wrong deeds happened in the past. It is raw truth lots of atrociites happened in the encient times especially in India & that too on the name of religion. Admitting this is not going to degrade our rekigion but it is only going to improve our brotherhood with our brothers from other religion.
RE:Let us accept the truth
by sharique nezami on Oct 16, 2007 02:53 PM Permalink
Do you think you are muslim. Say by your heart you will know yourself you are not muslim. do you think Salman Rushdie is muslim? cmon man taking birth out of muslim parents cant be enough to be called yourself muslim. Muslim are not by their names but by their belief and thoughts.
No doubt individual has its own impressions and charishma to run the show in each and every party. Congress with Gandhi family, Mayawati,Mulayam Singh, Lalu, Paswan-one mans party. Similary in Gujarat Modi means BJP,To have a pride and confidence within is a virtue. BJP must clean its image by way of removing all its indisciplined MLAs.
RE:Modi
by Sivanandan nair on Oct 16, 2007 02:20 PM Permalink
You are right Mr. Arun and wish him to be in the same manner for another 10 years or more. It is not that only religion matters, a man should have that burn and thirst in him then only the development comes in action and prosperity come to the nation. You can see we hail Dhoni for his achievement in T20 cricket and we suggest and support him to give him more time to bring his potential as a Captain
