the minorities in india enjoy the maximum rights and benefits. the pm is a weak sikh, the super pm is a christian lady, and till recently our president was a learned, intelectual, honourable and scientist muslim. but it has never been an issue in the country, bcoz hindus r the most secular in the world. nowhere elses it could have been possible.
still m m singh still talks of giving bank loans to muslims on priority.
if u look at the plight of non-muslims in a muslim majority country, u will find that they r treated as second class citizens.
still some foolish muslims start criticising rss etc for terrorist activities committed by the jehadies.
the good muslim brothers should rise in protest against these jehadis, just as the muslims of usa rose after the 9/11 attack. they should also learn to be secular like their hindu counterparts in the country. they should remember that they r lucky to b in a secular hindu majority country. in pakistan, even muslims, who went to pakistan after aprtition, from bihar r treated as second class citizens.
in this age of science let religion b a part of the house and mind.
Guys, there are many rich muslims in India. They do not dare to make movies on the lifestyle in Saudi Arabia or their culture. Only for namesake they are muslims. Else they all eat spicy food invented by their kaffirs, use flowers in marriages (u don't find flowers in barren deserts), dance n sing like kaffirs (all these prohibited in islam) etc etc.... When some muslims try to do this, a fatwa will be issued on them... They are neither trying to reform nor are they willing to condemn such acts... The result---islam is the most backward religion on earth
RE:reality
by Contractor on Oct 14, 2007 04:22 PM Permalink
Why u r giving religious colour to the matter. Criticism should be objective,but your criticism seem to be of Racist nature.. Your Biased remarks are not in the interest of nations. It is only meant to demoralised the whole nations..
RE:reality
by Mohammed Kureshi on Oct 15, 2007 12:58 PM Permalink
Dear Silenzer, I totally agree with you except your last comment. But still I would like to share my views. 1. Any religion is made good or bad by the followers. Followers often interprete the religion as per their own convinience & benefit. Our religion was unfortunately used by the then kings & military leaders & they used it for the expansion of their power & crushing the civilization of the other kingdoms. It is true that India was hit worst in this process. 2.Religion should not be forced on anybody, rather it should be embraced. Unfortunately the protectors & followers of our religion ignored this basic principle & converted most of the people by force by using military power. My ancestors may be one of them. But this has happened with every religion since the time of Romans & our religion is no exception to this. 3. Religion does not change the life style of the people. The same thing happened in the Indian subcontinent. So after conversion also we follow the same traditions & practices like dance, music, etc. though it is not acceptable in the religion as it was originated in the desert where such traditions were not a part social life in the pre-islamic period. The best example is the Haj ritual which is practiced since the pre-islamic age. 4. Reform is required in every field of life including religion. All other major religions have already gone through phase. Ours is a relatively new one & hence it will take some more time to reform.
Jihadi terrorists suffer from a condition called Narcissism. It is a kind of insecurity felt for no reasons. They feel their religion is attacked, personal lives are at risk, and are the target of everybody etc. In order to get rid of their shortcomings they propel others to wage war against the rest of the world. They say "loot, kill, rape, take off finger tips, smite at necks, burn them in hell etc" and urge their followers to commit all these sins...
INTERNET IS BRINGING DEATH TO THEIR CULTURE. Jihad will be wiped out soon. It is already happening in Iraq, Afghnistan, Pakistan, India, Europe etc... Lets get rid off pedophile worshippers and bring in a new era..
RE:Moral of the story
by Contractor on Oct 14, 2007 04:23 PM Permalink
silenzer, since you have collected data targetting one faith, do you have data on others faiths too, if so why you didnt post the other side... is it not a matter of being rascist.
I clearly believes that the blast that took place in Hyderabad is a work of RSS affiliated groups.These people are using it as a political tool to show that the present government is not doing much for the security of the country.These people want to show that the government is appeasing minorities so that it benefits them in the election times.I think how can we blame the Government for the blast.Is it possible to protect each & every citizens of India?The opposition parties are frustrated & they want to wrest the control back using these tactics.It is all politics.So faar no one is caught for the Blast that took place in train going to Pakistan.Also the blast that took place in malegaon went unnoticed.Come on !!Wake up !!Can't you see the truth which is so clear.The opposition is doing all these to defame the current Government ,the way they did when they demolished the Babri mosque.I wanted to asked one question who gained more from that incident.The answer is BJP.They benefited & came to the power.So it clearly indicates that BJP is responsible for all the communal problems in our country.For Electoral gains,BJP is misusing religion.But one thing more,when they ruled the country,they did it in a democratic & secular ways.Which means that they are just misusing religion for political gain.In fact when in power,they never behaved like a communal party.These are my personal views.Just i want to tell everyone to believe in Love for All & Hatred for None!!.
RE:Truth Prevails!!
by silenzer on Oct 14, 2007 03:08 PM Permalink
This is how muslims reply when posed questions 1) Who did 9-11? Ans: American CIA agents to defame muslims/Islam 2) Who was responsible for Bali bombings? Ans: Bali Hindus/Australians 3) Who is responsible for mass killings in Kashmir? Ans: Indian (Hindu) military 4) Who is responsible for shia-sunni conflicts across the world? Ans: Zionists 5) Who is responsible for terrorist bombings in India? Ans: BJP, VHP, Bhajarang dal, Shiv sena etc.. Muslims are innocent 6) What about London bombings, Madrid bombings, Mumbai bombings etc? Ans: They were done by respective govt of those countries (kaffirs) just to defame islam. Muhammad (PBUH) never advocates voilence in Quran!!
7) What happened in Beslan, Chechnya, Iraq (shia-sunni bombings), Cronolla riots, Lebenon, Palestine? Ans: In the name of Allah, everything is done by kaffirs to defame muslims.
Do you see the escapist attitude? If you read their scripture you will realize why they are so much after kaffirs' blood!!
RE:Truth Prevails!!
by Contractor on Oct 14, 2007 03:22 PM Permalink
Is it not the biggest terrorism to question the integrity of the other religion??? Whats terrorism for you? just killing people? then well mister there have been bigger acts of terrorism by many "fanatics"!!!!
Have some sense and speak man...try being tolerating and understand there is no religion that preaches killing people!
Do u even know that its clearly written in the Qur'an to respect all other religions?
And if some bunch of idiots are outthere it, then whats the difference between u and them?
I Am a muslim myself and i have friends and dear friends from all walks of faith. I dont think the way Osama does, i despise that and deny he is right, he is totally wrong. They are people who are doing such things in the name of religion, it is because they are not strong without masking their acts with religion. Understand THAT.
Should we go ahead and blame sikhism for the killing in Canada? Should the hindus be blamed for the 1984 riots? No I as an educated person do not find it reasonable to blame an entire religion because of a few ignorant fools who committed crime.
Arent u educated and aware to think like a sane person?
RE:Truth Prevails!!
by silenzer on Oct 14, 2007 03:30 PM Permalink
Dude, your scriptures prescribe killing n looting non-muslims; do u want proof for that? Look at the conditions of people in all islamic countries. It is pathetic...All becoz of ur scriptures...
U guys have problems with every community around the world. Thatz why the whole world is hell-bent upon making u kneel down. It is happening successfully across the globe.
RE:Truth Prevails!!
by Contractor on Oct 14, 2007 04:24 PM Permalink
Wondering if islam is such a bad religion, with so many flaws:
Why are so many members on this forum are bent upon defaming islam and muslims?
Why so much of time and energy is spent on trying to subdue islam that is supposed to die its own death, due its inherent weakness?
Why is islam 1400 years plus old and growing?
Why is islam accepted by the billions?
Why is that Mohammed is rated as most influential person in history of mankind?
Why are the developed nations and superpowers are fighting a poor, hungry, ill equiped, rag tag militias? What keeps these poor wretvched fellows going against the mighty superpowers?
Why is that even after 5 years of carpet bombings, the western powers are unable to control Iraq and Afghanistan, except for Green Zone and Kabul?
Why is the civilization clash is between western and islam, when islam is at its weakest point. The clash should have been between western and Asian
Why did the Brits withdrew from Basra silently without fanfare?
Why is muslim womens modest dress code ridiculed, why not the nuns dress or for that matter the modest Indian womens dress code of sari.
Why is that the western hegemony and imperialism imposed and is supposed to be perfect?
Why is that the 1.25 millions lost Iraqi lives is known as collateral damage to bring cheap petrol to US consumers, whereas 9/11 trade center killings are of innocents
RE:RE:Truth Prevails!!
by JGN on Oct 14, 2007 10:32 PM Permalink
Ram Sharma, Contractor is just copying and pasting some portions from some websites like that of Dr. Zakir Naik. Earlier one Mr. Ismail Sayyed used to do the same (I doubt whether "Contractor" is Mr. Ismail Sayyed's new Rediff ID)
RE:Truth Prevails!!
by lavishguy on Oct 14, 2007 03:44 PM Permalink
Gopal Godse killed Mahatma Gandhi
Indira Gandhi was assassinated by two of her own Sikh bodyguards. They said they did it to avenge the assault on Amritsar.
Rajiv Gandhi was killed by Velupillai Prabhakaran, the leader of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam
The Hindus were not able to defeat the Muslims on the field of battle. They gained power recently because of democracy and having the majority vote. Now, the Hindus plan to get revenge for all this, starting today. The courts of India have issued an order prohibiting religious demonstrations at Ayodhya, but an order of the courts means nothing in the face of an angry mob of 300,000 persons. Nobody, not even those who dislike India and the Hindu population, could possibly want what could possibly happen. If a full scale civil war breaks out, which is certainly possible, and if the Hindus seem to be gaining the upper hand, Pakistan could invade in support of their Muslim brothers. Both sides have nuclear weapons. The rest of the world can do nothing but watch, pray and hope. India alone has a population of one billion. Neighboring Pakistan and Bangladesh have more than one hundred million each. Nobody can even imagine the outcome and the impact on the rest of the world if these countries go up in flames. Why the government did not take a action against those person who demolished babri masjid, it was not made of any brick they used dynamite & other weapon%u2019s,& if any muslim do any thing he is called T
RE:Truth Prevails!!
by silenzer on Oct 14, 2007 03:51 PM Permalink
Let's accept some Hindus made mistake... Do u accept the mistake of ur prophet for 1) killing tribes of Banu Quraiza , Banu Nadir etc when he attacked them early in the morning or by surprise raids? 2) Occupying a pagan temple by believing in his hallucinations? 3) marrying 6 yr old baby Aisha when he was 51 4) Marrying Maria, the wife of a Jewish tribe chief, after marrying her husband and father in front of them. 5) Marrying his own daughter-in-law after asking his son to repeat talaq thrice...
What more do you want. If you accept that junk is given in ur scriptures, then I shall definitely accept the killers of Gandhi paid the price for it. Do u accept the mistakes of ur prophet? hai kya dhum?
RE:RE:Truth Prevails!!
by Contractor on Oct 14, 2007 04:25 PM Permalink
Is Islam the worst religion? May be because
1) Islam is the only religion which made it madatory to give 2.5% of their wealth to the poor 2) Islam is the only religion which encourage you to marry a widow 3) Islam is the only religion which says pray the Creator not His creations 4) Holy Quran is the only Book which insists to marry only ONE, yes, you read it right, marry ONLY ONE. 5) Islam doesn't allow it's followers to abuse the other religions and their Gods 6) Doing suicide is a Grave Sin in Islam 7) Sex before marriage is a Grave Sin 8) Sex outside ofyour marriage is a Grave Sin 9) Disrespect to your parents is a Sin 10) Killing an innocent is STRICTLY PROHIBITED, yes, you read it right, it is strictly prohibited in Islam to kill an innocent 11) The punishment for the rapist and the person who kill somebody, is DEATH, now slowly we started to follow this in India also. Giving death punishment means, the above two acts are strictly prohibited in Islam 12) Islam strcitly prohibit the use of force to convert someone, it encourages the people to have a dailogue with people of other religions 13) Islam is the only religion which prohibits ABORTION 14) Islam is the only religion which STRICTLY PROHIBITS the procedure to know the Gender of the unborn child 15) Islam is the only religion which made the prayers mandatory 16) Phohibits Alcohol The list is endless,I request da abusers of Islam to read the Holy Quran 2 know true Islam
RE:Truth Prevails!!
by JGN on Oct 14, 2007 10:30 PM Permalink
lavishguy,
>>>>>Gopal Godse killed Mahatma Gandhi ??????????? Is this what is taught to you in Madrassa???????????? And who had killed Sheikh Mujib-ur-Rehman (the founder of Bengladesh)??????????????????
Recently Hindu mobs have attacked Muslim villages after claims were made that cows had been slaughtered for the festivities of eid. In 2005, this caused the destruction of 40 homes and 3 deaths. A police investigation revealed that no cow had been slaughtered in the village.
RE:Is these not Terrorism??
by silenzer on Oct 14, 2007 03:09 PM Permalink
This is how muslims reply when posed questions 1) Who did 9-11? Ans: American CIA agents to defame muslims/Islam 2) Who was responsible for Bali bombings? Ans: Bali Hindus/Australians 3) Who is responsible for mass killings in Kashmir? Ans: Indian (Hindu) military 4) Who is responsible for shia-sunni conflicts across the world? Ans: Zionists 5) Who is responsible for terrorist bombings in India? Ans: BJP, VHP, Bhajarang dal, Shiv sena etc.. Muslims are innocent 6) What about London bombings, Madrid bombings, Mumbai bombings etc? Ans: They were done by respective govt of those countries (kaffirs) just to defame islam. Muhammad (PBUH) never advocates voilence in Quran!!
7) What happened in Beslan, Chechnya, Iraq (shia-sunni bombings), Cronolla riots, Lebenon, Palestine? Ans: In the name of Allah, everything is done by kaffirs to defame muslims.
Do you see the escapist attitude? If you read their scripture you will realize why they are so much after kaffirs' blood!!
RE:Is these not Terrorism??
by lavishguy on Oct 14, 2007 03:46 PM Permalink
Gopal Godse killed Mahatma Gandhi
Indira Gandhi was assassinated by two of her own Sikh bodyguards. They said they did it to avenge the assault on Amritsar.
Rajiv Gandhi was killed by Velupillai Prabhakaran, the leader of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam
The Hindus were not able to defeat the Muslims on the field of battle. They gained power recently because of democracy and having the majority vote. Now, the Hindus plan to get revenge for all this, starting today. The courts of India have issued an order prohibiting religious demonstrations at Ayodhya, but an order of the courts means nothing in the face of an angry mob of 300,000 persons. Nobody, not even those who dislike India and the Hindu population, could possibly want what could possibly happen. If a full scale civil war breaks out, which is certainly possible, and if the Hindus seem to be gaining the upper hand, Pakistan could invade in support of their Muslim brothers. Both sides have nuclear weapons. The rest of the world can do nothing but watch, pray and hope. India alone has a population of one billion. Neighboring Pakistan and Bangladesh have more than one hundred million each. Nobody can even imagine the outcome and the impact on the rest of the world if these countries go up in flames. Why the government did not take a action against those person who demolished babri masjid, it was not made of any brick they used dynamite & other weapon%u2019s,& if any muslim do any thing he is called Terror
RE:Is these not Terrorism??
by Ram Sharma on Oct 14, 2007 04:32 PM Permalink
dear gopal
there is no denying the fact that all terrorist activities r carried out by the jehadis. some terrorist acts were conducted by some sikhs during 80's. but that was limited to some people and for some time. now there is no khalistani terrorism. sikhs were killed by foolish hindus, who fell into the trap of some foolish congressmen like pilot etc. but it was for some time only. hindus and sikhs have family ties and there is no enmity any more. sikhism was formed to stop the religious conversion of hindus by the mughals. ltte is not a religious organisation.
Railway Police thwarted Jihadi attempt to blow up Train in Kerala 10/12/2007 12:13:13 PM HK
Shornnur: Railway Police arrested a Jihadi Terrorist who was on a mission to blow up Nilambur-Palakkad Passenger.
Police seized powerful explosives from the Terrorist Shihabudeen. The Jihadi told to Police that, A Seven Member gang gave him the Explosives and threatened to Kill him, if he won%u2019t explode it. Police who believed the cooked up story searched all over Kerala, but couldn%u2019t spot any one as described by Shihabudeen.
Police is now probing his links with Terrorist organisations in the state. As usual with other cases which involved Jihadi Terrorist, Shihabudeen also will become a hero soon and will be highlighted as a innocent Muslim who is being tortured by Police. Terrorist Right Organizations will start Marches from Kasargode to Thiruvananthapuram for his release
