Dear all everything is power game and indian voters are fool and sonia knows this very well so why she will rename herself congress only getting power since our independence by the name of gandhiji if anyone comes without surname gandhi in election and see the fortune of him.... No vote. Gandhiji himself told once in congress general meeting that congress should be dissolved after independence but power hungry congressman never did and fullfill the wishes of gandhiji. They just want to come in power anyhow by collobrating their rival like DMA, Left parties, etc. they have no moral values anymore. Now its a fight of BJP vs Rest other parties on a fool issues like pseudosecularism to make people fool. I dont say BJP is good or bad but I have been seen government of BJP time it was far far better then today government. No boddy is happy even middle class and poor class family. I wish people could understand the congress real face and bring BJP in the power and see the difference in indian progress. wish a great success for BJP in coming election
A staunch catholic like sonia should not have addressed Gandhi's birthday as Gandhi did not like Christianity though he respected Jesus as a philosopher. Sonia should have known this. Pope is gonna be upset about her.
Sonia Gandhi shouldn't have addressed UN on Gandhi Jayanti.She herself wouldn't call herself a Gandhian.A true Gandhian should have been sent by the Govt.Even Gandhi's grandson could have done that.Why did Mom and Son go together to NY?They trivialized our democracy by doing it.Mom grooming,promoting and flaunting son in international meetings.Suits Queen Elizabeth and Prince Charles,but not Sonia and Rahul.Sonia may be unanswerable to all the people of India except to the people in her constituency,but Dr.MMS is.What is he doing sitting there with his hands folded permanently ?
Its so funny that party like BJP with RSS roots is asking Sonia to remove Gandhi from her surname , when everyone knows that killer of Mahatma Gandhi was a RSS member
RE:RE:So Funny
by Frankly Speaking on Oct 04, 2007 08:25 AM Permalink
Not only this, these RSS people celebrated Mahatma Gandhi assassination distributed sweets among members
RE:So Funny
by Janesh on Oct 04, 2007 08:31 AM Permalink
Why didn't he take the name Nehru? He was afterall,going to marry Indira Nehru and it was an illustrious name too at that time.
RE:RE:So Funny
by Aadi Manav on Oct 04, 2007 12:43 PM Permalink
L K Advani's niece is married to a Muslim.... I think thats why the statement 'Jinnah was Secular'
Because of the surname Gandhi, Indira Gandhi was fooling even the whole International community-because they thought she was the daughter of Mahatma Gandhi. But the Truth... Nehru did not approve the love of Indira priyadarshini with a Parsi-Muslim named Feroz Khan. Both went to Gandhi for support and being Mahatma he adopted Feroz as his son and gave his name as his surname and got them married. When these true love story is not known to most Indins themselves, how foriegners will come to know of it? As the south indian voters were under the impression that Gandhi and congress only got freedom and thought Indira Gandhi was somehow related to Gandhi, they have always supported Indira and her version of Congress during her lifetime and voted her even after emergency. So how many generations this family should be allowed to use Gandhi's name even after spoiling the country by ruling mostly after Independence, and blaming poor BJP for all the ills of India today.. All right thinking Indians Please think...
RE:Misusing Gandhi Name
by Cynic on Oct 04, 2007 07:58 AM Permalink
Well...without going into history about who was born how & who changed to what...because it is pointless.....it is incredibly naive & simplistic to think anyone can win elections & fool intenational community, no less, because of Gandhi surname !!!
If it were true, all BJP needs to do is to change the name of all their leaders to gandhi !! :P:P There is nothing legal barring them from doing so..right?
RE:Misusing Gandhi Name
by on Oct 04, 2007 10:26 PM Permalink
it is surprising. who reported this message for abuse? does he mean using the surname 'gandhi' is an abuse today. its silly.
Rajnath Singh,politics is the last refuge of scoundrels, in the crowd of scoundrels, Sonia is glorious exception, by dint of her courage, conviction and character, she has risen much beyond your intellectual ability. Rajnath Singh and your party are still trapped sectarian outlook, Grow!
Every time the political ideals are discussed in India it is assumed that Gandhi is the center and perfection and hence every other character is judged upon the distance between his set of principles to that of the Gandhi. The sphere of political idealism has many sub domains like political, personal, social etc.
The immature tendency of drawing conclusion with no such apparent logic is not new to our media who at best boast a single digit IQ. Now a trillion dollar question? Was Gandhi an example of political perfection? If he is, then Sardar Patel is not. They were 180 degree opposite to each other. Gandhi's political philosophy is totally based upon destiny, whereas Patel's political wisdom was based on a perception that was shaped by the safe-fail theory of a state and thus believed on manipulative action.
Now a single dollar question to our half witted forum members. Was Gandhi's political motive correct and more productive than that of Patel where the later only made it possible to have an unified state from hundreds of princely provinces. If Patel is correct, then Gandhi carried a failed political ideology or may be a political fantasy.
So, drawing the conclusion of whether Godse was wrong or right is an absolute immaturity, particularly shown by illogical dick-heads.
RE:Gandhi and perfection are no synonyms
by Loan Shark on Oct 04, 2007 06:46 AM Permalink
Godse was definitely wrong. There is no place for violence and killing in a civilized society.
Those who wonder if Godse's actions were right or wrong are clearly immature and do not understand the rules of living in a civilized world.
RE:Gandhi and perfection are no synonyms
by Loan Shark on Oct 04, 2007 06:43 AM Permalink
Gandhi, Patel and Nehru were visionaries ... true sons of soil. Being in disagreement and yet being able to work towards a common goal, is what makes them the best leaders to lead independent India.
Thanks to them and several others, India is what it is today - not a failed state like Pakistan or Bangla Desh
RE:RE:Gandhi and perfection are no synonyms
by Rabindra Mishra on Oct 04, 2007 07:12 AM Permalink
Dear toothless SHARK,
I forgot to add. Don't use generalised words like visionaries, sons of the soil (i guess others, including you, don't born from the air) etc. I would suggest you one book. Go through "Freedom at Midnight" -L. Collins & D. Lapierre and then comment. At least one book. Even my son who is of around 8 years does not like when I make some generalised comment. Grow up before it becomes late.
RE:Gandhi and perfection are no synonyms
by Rabindra Mishra on Oct 04, 2007 07:06 AM Permalink
Dear toothless SHARK,
Don't bother, had Gandhi been there for another decade, India would have been a bigger failed state than Pakistan, and Bangladesh would have been East-Pakistan till today. I know certain myopics can not imagine such stuff. It is easy to work in a CALL-CENTER to pick calls regarding toilet and telephone bills, software problem at DELL and Accenture. Better come and see the world and then would get to know that what Bangladeshis who left Bangladesh after the 1971 genocide to Canada and US say. Talk to them and get knowledge.
Any way what's your name? It seems half of all the forum is filled by you. You must be working in some call center or might have taken a leave today. But the question is, is everyday a leave for you?
RE:Gandhi and perfection are no synonyms
by Cynic on Oct 04, 2007 07:27 AM Permalink
Mishra,
The problem with practicing the policies of exclusion is that one always pits one against the other. Be it one religion against another or one leader against another. An obsession with proving one "superior" over the other !! While in the real world it is entirely possible for conflicting ideologists to work together towards a common goal. Therefore to debate whether Gandhi's political philosophy was better or Patels is futile & pointless really.
However, there cannot be much debate ( or rather should not be) whether Godse was right or wrong. He killed a man with whose political philosophies he disagreed. ( Keep aside the fact who he killed) And if someone does not agree with the other in a debate, like in this forum, you start abusing. And if one were facing each other....would physically harming also cross your mind?
Godse was not a member of RSS. Check your facts. Supreme court agreed that he was not a member of RSS, but had a membership of Hindu Mahasabha and Indian National Congress. It was one Congress man who killed religious saint Gandhi. I request you guys to check your facts. It's only Congress propaganda through mid sixties till date.
RE:A congress man Killed Gandhi
by MM on Oct 04, 2007 06:08 AM Permalink
Nathuram Godse's book, 'Why I Assassinated Mahatma Gandhi' in December 1993, Gopal Godse in an interview with Frontline magazine stated: %u201CAll the [Godse] brothers were in the RSS. Nathuram, Dattatreya, myself and Govind.
RE:A congress man Killed Gandhi
by sunil ghate on Oct 04, 2007 02:05 PM Permalink
Don't missunderstand RSS. It is meant for social work as well as to see that our nation is safe from the Islamic and Christian invaders. They are only for the betterment of our country culture, development and dignity. RSS is the only ethical organisation in this country. Gandhi was always in favour of Muslims and against Hindu because of his Hindu-Muslim unity policy. But in return Gandhi didn't get anything from Muslim league instead India was partitioned, which made Nathuram Godse take firm action by assasinating Gandhi. Don't ever think that we got this freedom without any bloodshed. Go through history how Hindus were treated in Hyderabad and many other states with Muslim majority. Think from Nathuram's view. If he would have not done so I think we would have been Muslim coutry. Try to read how Hindus are illtreated in Indonesia then speak.
RE:RE:A congress man Killed Gandhi
by avinash yadav on Oct 04, 2007 12:44 PM Permalink
I tend to agree with both the articles on the surface, but my mind can't defy logic. If RSS was responsible for Gandhi's assasination why Nehru lifted the ban on RSS in 1949 and why the honorable Supreme court could not find RSS guilty in the matter. We certainly can't say that both Nehru and the honorable Court were fools who looked into the matter with all their might and people like you and me after 59 years are intelligent enough to implicate RSS in the matter. FYI: I am a big fan of Gandhi, but I am loosing my trust with Congress. They have an undeclared reservation on Prime ministers seat for Nehru-Gandhi family. What a naked display of nepotism by making Rahul Gandhi AICC Gen Secy. If they wanted to give this nation a young leadership, why didn't they choose Jyotiraditya scindhia, a Harvard and Stanford educated intelligent person.
A man who put a bullet in the heart of the Mahatma is an RSS activist. BJP wont mind working with them but you ask some woman to drop her last name because of what. Bunch of jokers. If you care so much about mahatma how can you condone a party that involved in the brutal murder of him. Heartless crooks..
RE:FYI Did you forget tha Godse was an RSS activist
by avinash yadav on Oct 04, 2007 05:26 AM Permalink
I have always voted for Congress in the past. I think you are misinformed that Godse was an RSS guy. He was a member of Hindu Mahasabha and had nothing to do with RSS. Even Supreme Court accepted this and lifted a ban on RSS in just a couple of years after Gandhi's assassination. I would agree with Rajnath on this occasion. The affidavit filed by Congress and later arguments by DMK only suggests that they take Hindus for granted and do their best to appease minority voters. I am voting against Congress and for either BJP or BSP in next elections. I think BJP would best to carry forward our economic policy of liberalization, which they demonstrated very well when they were in government. I would suggest one should study history well before commenting. We mostly start arguing even without knowing the facts.
RE:FYI Did you forget tha Godse was an RSS activist
by Loan Shark on Oct 04, 2007 05:36 AM Permalink
Godse was an RSS man ... on Gandhiji's death there was jubiliation in RSS camps and that's why they were banned
RE:RE:FYI Did you forget tha Godse was an RSS activist
by JJ on Oct 04, 2007 05:25 AM Permalink
To this day RSS and Shiv Sena openly supports the killing mahatma. You are talking about crusades and pope. why would i care about them...i aint a catholic..may be If i'm a muslim yeah i would boycott pope.. Godse's sick partners in crime told publicly in interviews that these two parties support the murder. Try to digg up. Whatever the reason BJP doesnt give a damn about mahatma. They are just a bunch of attention seeking old jokers.
RE:FYI Did you forget tha Godse was an RSS activist
by Sunil on Oct 04, 2007 06:06 AM Permalink
Hello there! Shiv Sena was founded in the late 1960s. There is no way Shiv Sena could have been involved in Mahatma Gandhi's murder!
RE:RE:FYI Did you forget tha Godse was an RSS activist
by Cynic on Oct 04, 2007 06:22 AM Permalink
Sunil...all he said was RSS & Shiv Sena "support" his killing meaning they opine that his killing was justified !!!
RE:RE:RE:FYI Did you forget tha Godse was an RSS activist
by Janesh on Oct 04, 2007 05:32 AM Permalink
Anyway Im no Rajnath fan or Godse fan.But I wouldn't hold RSS responsible for Gandhi murder.
RE:RE:RE:RE:FYI Did you forget tha Godse was an RSS activist
by Loan Shark on Oct 04, 2007 05:37 AM Permalink
Janesh, you may not. but RSS was responsible for Gandhiji's assassination.
RE:FYI Did you forget tha Godse was an RSS activist
by Janesh on Oct 04, 2007 06:04 AM Permalink
Then why is RSS still there? It should have been banned for ages since Congress was in power for most part of our independent years.
RE:FYI Did you forget tha Godse was an RSS activist
by Loan Shark on Oct 04, 2007 06:47 AM Permalink
because congress beliwves in upohodling democratic standards and so does BJP and other parties ... people often regard SIMI as a terrorist organisation ... some say the same about Bajrang Dal and Shiv Sena.
If BJP really wishes to get back some political space & credibility that it hass lost in the last few years, it should desist from making such non issues. Making a personal attacks against Sonia Ganghi has partly been responsible for her endearment to the Indian public. Of course he wont say when Sonia Gandhi denied the existence of Ram and he also wont say whether followers of other religions do not have a right to believe in Gandhi !!
This coming from a man whose parent party put a bullet through Mahatma's chest. Now using Mahatma for personal attacks. Appalling !!
RE:Rajnaths statement - Petty
by Janesh on Oct 04, 2007 05:18 AM Permalink
Sharkie,please don't say Hey Ram.Sonia madam would object.Ram was only a 'myth'..
RE:RE:Rajnaths statement - Petty
by Cynic on Oct 04, 2007 05:20 AM Permalink
Well Jaaani....we here are a little more educated & intelligent than what you would like to believe. We will not be swayed by your declaration that Sonia believes Ram was a myth !!!
RE:Rajnaths statement - Petty
by Janesh on Oct 04, 2007 05:24 AM Permalink
Please lend some of your education and intelligence to Soniaji.She needs it to run the country.She is struggling trying to educate Dr.Man Mohan Singh.
RE:Rajnaths statement - Petty
by Cynic on Oct 04, 2007 05:27 AM Permalink
Neither Dr Singh nor Sonia needs any more intelligence...either from me or Rajnath Singh. They are already doing exemplary job with all that they have !!!
RE:RE:Rajnaths statement - Petty
by Janesh on Oct 04, 2007 05:35 AM Permalink
Exemplary job??? OK,you get what you deserve. A little bird was heard saying SG was looked upto by all the world leaders in NY.They were taking lessons on how to do backseat driving,how to bring one's own son to the top chair in a DEMOCRACY and how to keep the commoners gaping
RE:Rajnaths statement - Petty
by Cynic on Oct 04, 2007 05:40 AM Permalink
I really do not know what makes you think of the arrangement as backseat driving. There is not a single instance of SG having ususrped the authority of MMS. We all read & follow news. We can make our own conclusions. As much as you would like, we will not be swayed by rhetoric.
RE:RE:Rajnaths statement - Petty
by Cynic on Oct 04, 2007 05:42 AM Permalink
And dude...democracy means elections. Its not a dynastic kingdom where power is handed down. If Rahul is good he will survive or he will be wiped out. Accusation of dynasty in politics or performing arts are meaningless. Everyone has to undergo test by fire, perform & survive.
RE:Rajnaths statement - Petty
by Loan Shark on Oct 04, 2007 05:41 AM Permalink
Sonia Gandhi has never shown any disrespect to Ram ... see how you are twisting things here ... inventing stuff that Sonia Gandhi never said or even implied.
Just because some guys in archeological deptt .. filed an affidavit saying that ther eis no archeological evidence of existence of Shri Ram, you start saying that it were Sonia Gandhi's words and that she does not beleive in Ram.
Don't behave like an uneducated person falling victim to BJP's propaganda. or maybe you are .... LOL
RE:Rajnaths statement - Petty
by Loan Shark on Oct 04, 2007 05:18 AM Permalink
RSS has often justified the killing of Gandhiji and blamed him openly for being inclined to muslims during partition and thus inviting their wrath.
RE:RE:Rajnaths statement - Petty
by Janesh on Oct 04, 2007 05:27 AM Permalink
Non supporters of RSS too have criticized Gandhi at different stages.Read about Gandhi's stand on Vaikom Satyagraha in Kerala..many non-RSS guys have criticised his stand,but there was no plot to eliminate that great man.
RE:RE:RE:Rajnaths statement - Petty
by Loan Shark on Oct 04, 2007 05:43 AM Permalink
yes, janesh and that one man acted on orders from RSS .... Godse attended RSS gatherings ... sat and chat with RSS guys ... was totally under RSS influence when he killed Mahatama.
RE:Rajnaths statement - Petty
by Cynic on Oct 04, 2007 05:51 AM Permalink
Well, today BJP disowns Bangaru laxman as well !!! But that doesnt lessen the fact that he was shown accepting bribes as BJP president !!
RE:RE:RE:Rajnaths statement - Petty
by Cynic on Oct 04, 2007 05:29 AM Permalink
Criticizing Gandhi and supporting his killing are two different things dude !!!!
RE:Rajnaths statement - Petty
by Cynic on Oct 04, 2007 05:19 AM Permalink
It was the indoctrination of philosophy of hate & exclusion that made Godse the killer...just as so many readers here are hete mongers........so yeah in that sense RSS was responsible !!!
RE:Rajnaths statement - Petty
by avinash yadav on Oct 04, 2007 05:31 AM Permalink
Godse was not a member of RSS. Check your facts buddy. Supreme court agreed that he was not a member of RSS, but had a membership of Hindu mahasabha and Indian National Congress. It was one Congress man who killed religious saint Gandhi.
RE:Rajnaths statement - Petty
by Cynic on Oct 04, 2007 05:34 AM Permalink
Err...dude !! Hindu Mahasabha & RSS are not part of the same conglomerate? Its like saying BJP & RSS are not related. One springs from the other...all combined by a common thread though of hatred for common enemies!!!
RE:RE:Rajnaths statement - Petty
by Loan Shark on Oct 04, 2007 05:44 AM Permalink
do you have any proof from the supreme court archives saying that Godse was not a member of RSS?
RE:Rajnaths statement - Petty
by Cynic on Oct 04, 2007 05:47 AM Permalink
Loan shark...when Rajnath Singh can attribute statements to Sonia Gandhi without proof, What prevents these chaps from attributing statements to supreme court? :D:D:D
