Mr. Saturn, We tend to believe that all of Pakistan wants to have war with India. That is far from reality.
The recent poll showed that 40% of Pakistanis view India as a "FAVOURABLE" Nation. The financial community in Pakistan wants to have peace with India. They want more trade with India.
The problem we face is from the Pathans and other groups in the North and North-West of the country. They have a greater influence on the ARMY. It is not a surprise that the ARMY is the most powerful Institute in Pakistan.
We need to support democracy in Pakistan. That is in the long term interest of our security. Democracy will weaken the HOLD of the PAKISTANI ARMY on their policies. We need Pakistan with a central government that can control its ARMY.
Bombing Pakistan is NOT an option. We can solve this issue. We need to hold our nervers. Let me some COOL heads and UNITY amongst us.
Remember, International support will be on our side (Especially the US, Historically that was not the case).
Mr. Prakash Karat expresses regret that the terrorists' little finger was scratched during the attack. Terming it a human rights violation, he compared the Indian army's record with the impeccable chinese army's.
Latest : Arundhati Roy is having a candle night vigil in memory of slain terrorists
RE:What will happen next
by on Oct 03, 2007 11:32 PM Permalink
i heard upa government is giving free job and 5 lakh rupees to kin of... by liuhsdjhf on Oct 03, 2007 03:08 PM | Hide replies
u thought army man? lol. no, it is giving 5 lakhs and job to relatives of muslim terrorist killed...
after all they need muslim votes.
please understand.
womanmohan singh loses sleep after seeing muslim suffer as he is also minority, now womanmohan singh will not be able to sleep, because 3 muslim terrorists were killed.
armyman? that too hindu? killed?
oh, it is not important. lol.
and yes, womanmohan singh and sonia maino is reducing army in kashmir to against please muslims...
families of the army men killed due to it shud do a rang de basanti on such politicians.
jai hind.
i heard upa government is giving free job and 5 lakh rupees to kin of...
u thought army man? lol. no, it is giving 5 lakhs and job to relatives of muslim terrorist killed...
also they are going to make afzal guru as congress secretary...
after all they need muslim votes.
please understand.
womanmohan singh loses sleep after seeing muslim suffer as he is also minority, now womanmohan singh will not be able to sleep, because 3 muslim terrorists were killed.
armyman? that too hindu? killed?
oh, it is not important. lol.
and yes, womanmohan singh and sonia maino is reducing army in kashmir to against please muslims...
rice sack convert anthony has gone to suck tiny di*ck of pope in vatican and to inform him about balance sheet of missionar
RE:Wrong Policies...
by imran patel on Oct 03, 2007 06:46 PM Permalink
Localize the Law enforcement apparatus in Kashmir. Having CRPF in Kashmir is crazy. Instead have local Kashmiris manage these things. It give a different face and people are much more receptive. People in Maharashtra do not like people coming over from South. It is human nature. People like to see familiar faces, faces that they feel comfortable with.
Stop taking sides in election. Farooq Abdullah is corrupt and has no respect amongst the masses. People in Kashmir want development. Government is spending money but they are so inefficient and corrupt that the local population hardly sees any change in his day-day life.
The Kashmir problem can be broken down into three major issues, - Kashmiri Separatist (20 %) - Anger with Government for not providing basic things such as water/electricity/roads (70%) - Pakistan Influence/Interference (10%)
The Pakistanis feed on the dis-satisfaction of the Kashmiri People with the Indian government. We need to bring these 70% on our side by effective governance. The Kashmiri Separatist, which is a minority, needs to be LAW enforcement, intelligence-gathering challenge. We use the heavy-handed approach of using an Army to fight the separatist and in the process we further alienate the 70% that are not content.
The Pakistan influence/Interference needs to be minimized by international pressure/Sanctions/Diplomacy/Trade/Cultural ties/Supporting democracy in Pakistan/etc.
We have to use all the tools (Diplomatic, Financial, huma
RE:RE:Wrong Policies...
by imran patel on Oct 03, 2007 06:46 PM Permalink
We have to use all the tools (Diplomatic, Financial, humanitarian, Military) at our disposal to solve this issue. No ordinary Kashmiri wants to join Pakistan. What does Pakistan have to offer? They are just dis-content with the Indian Government. We can address that. It will take efficient, honest and hardworking governance.
RE:RE:RE:Wrong Policies...
by santosh biradar on Oct 03, 2007 07:06 PM Permalink
Very Well Said , Very thoughtful its sad we always look at the immediate short term gain. We need a vision for the future .
RE:Wrong Policies...
by Arvind Singh on Oct 03, 2007 07:02 PM Permalink
Mass Eviction of people from Kashmir to other areas of India is also possible, Make kashmir only for army and scientfic experiments.
RE:Slaute Major Vinay
by imran patel on Oct 03, 2007 06:44 PM Permalink
Mr. Kumar, People are mourning the loss of this soldier and saying how brave he was. There is no doubt that he was brave, more brave than anyone of us on this blog.
We are saluting his service, but deep in our hearts we feel better that we are not in his shoes or in the shoes of any of his family members.
This lip service we pay to our soldiers is an insult to their sacrifice. In fact we do not give a damn !!! Why are we not pushing for an effective solution towards the Kashmir Issue ? Why are we letting our leaders off the hook with failed policies over the last 60 years ?
The soldier did his part, where are we and what are we doing to help his cause ?
How can we let elections be decided on issues such as renaming a road or building a mosque/temple ?
Why can't be demand better governance and accountability from our leaders ?
This major is a casualty of our failed policies. And if we really want to honor his sacrifice, we need to hold our leaders accountable.
What is our plan for Kashmir ? What is our strategic Goal ? What tools are we using to accomplish that ?
Lets not be shallow in our thinking. It is time for us to honor the sacrifices of our heros and we can do that by demanding better policies.
RE:RE:Slaute Major Vinay
by Parul Kumar on Oct 03, 2007 11:38 PM Permalink
Mr Patel,
You should thinks before you comment. I am not blogging. This is the only way for me to send my deepest condolences to the family and show that i care as an Indian and we have yet again lost a good soldier.
As i type my only borther guards the Kashmir valley in the same Rashtriya Rifles. So think before you critcise any one's comment and i can bet you have no one in your family in that position.
So i am not blogging but you are and that too mindlessly.
Whoever is trying to stop this dialogue on Kashmir needs to know one thing...
It is this attitute that has resulted in failed policies. And these failed policies have costed us lives. People that have supported these failed policies have blood on their hands.
It is shameful that we cannot discuss and debate on of the most pressing issues of our time facing this nation.
If you have a better solution, present it and debate it. Reporting others ideas and plans as abuse does not help.
RE:You will live forever in the Hearts of Indian
by imran patel on Oct 03, 2007 06:43 PM Permalink
Mr. Shukla, His blood is being wasted for the last 60 years. People are mourning the loss of this soldier and saying how brave he was. There is no doubt that he was brave, more brave than anyone of us on this blog.
We are saluting his service, but deep in our hearts we feel better that we are not in his shoes or in the shoes of any of his family members.
This lip service we pay to our soldiers is an insult to their sacrifice. In fact we do not give a damn !!! Why are we not pushing for an effective solution towards the Kashmir Issue ? Why are we letting our leaders off the hook with failed policies over the last 60 years ?
The soldier did his part, where are we and what are we doing to help his cause ?
How can we let elections be decided on issues such as renaming a road or building a mosque/temple ?
Why can't be demand better governance and accountability from our leaders ?
This major is a casualty of our failed policies. And if we really want to honor his sacrifice, we need to hold our leaders accountable.
What is our plan for Kashmir ? What is our strategic Goal ? What tools are we using to accomplish that ?
Lets not be shallow in our thinking. It is time for us to honor the sacrifices of our heros and we can do that by demanding better policies.
Solving the Kashmir Issue is vital for India to continue its growth as an economic power house. Unfortunately the leadership keeps repeating the same mistakes over and over. We tend to believe that military is the solution. It is NOT. We need a more comprehensive approach.
Its like a goldsmith using a blacksmith%u2019s hammer. It is unfortunate that the Government has learnt nothing in the last 18 years and has learnt nothing from similar situations in other parts of the world.
The presence of Military in J&K is counter productive. It gives a false sense of success. But it is a disaster in the long run. The Indian government needs to bring the Kashmiris into the Indian Mainstream.
What is our Strategic Aim in Kashmir? For me it is territorial integrity and peace.
Using the Army is a tactical tool, which is backfiring. We need to first define our scope and make everyone understand that the following 3 are NOT viable options,
1. Kashmir being an Independent State 2. Kashmir being a part of Pakistan 3. Kashmir being a part of India
RE:RE:Wrong Policies...But Brave Solder, we mourn your loss and Salute your sacrifice.
by imran patel on Oct 03, 2007 06:21 PM Permalink
The Pakistanis feed on the dis-satisfaction of the Kashmiri People with the Indian government. We need to bring these 70% on our side by effective governance. The Kashmiri Separatist, which is a minority, needs to be LAW enforcement, intelligence-gathering challenge. We use the heavy-handed approach of using an Army to fight the separatist and in the process we further alienate the 70% that are not content.
The Pakistan influence/Interference needs to be minimized by international pressure/Sanctions/Diplomacy/Trade/Cultural ties/Supporting democracy in Pakistan/etc.
We have to use all the tools (Diplomatic, Financial, humanitarian, Military) at our disposal to solve this issue. No ordinary Kashmiri wants to join Pakistan. What does Pakistan have to offer? They are just dis-content with the Indian Government. We can address that. It will take efficient, honest and hardworking governance.
We are facing sad days all the recent years. Some are marked by sacrifices by our brave soldiers and some by the death of inncent citizens in jehadi terrorists activities. We wake up at times when rarely incident like this is published and again go for our work. But the families of the soldiers will never recover from such incidents. I pray to god to give the courage to mother of vinay and raman to face the sad demise of their sons... Let our army kill all the terrorists and their supporters mercilessly and finish the problem once created by our so called great leaders...!
RE:truth......
by saturn on Oct 03, 2007 06:32 PM Permalink
The comparison between mirchi and terrorists itself is wrong. Yes. The army may not eat more mirchi but they will surely keep killing the terrorists endlessly. That is the only way to deal with the people who do not know the language of reason. Halalisaab, you better advise your terrorist friends not to eat more mirchi!
RE:RE:truth......
by imran patel on Oct 03, 2007 06:35 PM Permalink
Mr. Saturn, People are mourning the loss of this soldier and saying how brave he was. There is no doubt that he was brave, more brave than anyone of us on this blog.
We are saluting his service, but deep in our hearts we feel better that we are not in his shoes or in the shoes of any of his family members.
This lip service we pay to our soldiers is an insult to their sacrifice. In fact we do not give a damn !!! Why are we not pushing for an effective solution towards the Kashmir Issue ? Why are we letting our leaders off the hook with failed policies over the last 60 years ?
The soldier did his part, where are we and what are we doing to help his cause ?
How can we let elections be decided on issues such as renaming a road or building a mosque/temple ?
Why can't be demand better governance and accountability from our leaders ?
This major is a casualty of our failed policies. And if we really want to honor his sacrifice, we need to hold our leaders accountable.
What is our plan for Kashmir ? What is our strategic Goal ? What tools are we using to accomplish that ?
Lets not be shallow in our thinking. It is time for us to honor the sacrifices of our heros and we can do that by demanding better policies.
RE:truth......
by imran patel on Oct 03, 2007 06:38 PM Permalink
Solving the Kashmir Issue is vital for India to continue its growth as an economic power house. Unfortunately the leadership keeps repeating the same mistakes over and over. We tend to believe that military is the solution. It is NOT. We need a more comprehensive approach.
Its like a goldsmith using a blacksmith%u2019s hammer. It is unfortunate that the Government has learnt nothing in the last 18 years and has learnt nothing from similar situations in other parts of the world.
The presence of Military in J&K is counter productive. It gives a false sense of success. But it is a disaster in the long run. The Indian government needs to bring the Kashmiris into the Indian Mainstream.
What is our Strategic Aim in Kashmir? For me it is territorial integrity and peace.
Using the Army is a tactical tool, which is backfiring. We need to first define our scope and make everyone understand that the following 3 are NOT viable options,
1. Kashmir being an Independent State 2. Kashmir being a part of Pakistan 3. Kashmir being a part of India
We must accept the LoC as the international border between Pakistan and India. The Parliament must pass this resolution. It is insane to think that the whole of Kashmir will be part of either India/Pakistan. And for people, who still believe in that Strategic Goal, please lay out your plan to achieve it. We have NOT seen that in the past 60 years.
RE:truth......
by saturn on Oct 03, 2007 07:00 PM Permalink
Imranbhai, from the loss of BanglaDesh and humiliation underwent, our neighbours have become restless with the feeling of revenge. That is why they started militancy in Kashmir from 1989. Though they might have recruited the locals, locals are not to be blamed because they got recruited at the gunpoint. Before the militancy started, Kashmir was going great with tourism. Everybody earned their proper bread and butter. But the wise persons like Mirwaiz Moulavi Farooq were killed by the militants and then likes of his son also started to preach separation by the fear of life. So there is no Kashmir problem except that of the neighbour sponsored terrorism and that is NO problem for the army because it is capable of continuing its operations practically endlessly. And what is so special in declaring the LOC as the boundry? It IS the present fact except that it is not officially declared so. And suppose Imranbhai, the so called 'problem' is ultimately solved, do you think that the neighbours will stay happily ever after? NO. If they remove 'hatred against India' from their life, there is nothing left. The neighbours are surviving only on this hatred, which if removed from their life, they become a worthless piece of shit, which really they are! So both ways, the neighbours will keep troubling India. So to keep the terrorists killing is the best option before India and its army, though as ordinary persons, we do feel sad at the loss of such young army boys. Shukriya.
RE:RE:truth......
by imran patel on Oct 03, 2007 06:39 PM Permalink
Localize the Law enforcement apparatus in Kashmir. Having CRPF in Kashmir is crazy. Instead have local Kashmiris manage these things. It give a different face and people are much more receptive. People in Maharashtra do not like people coming over from South. It is human nature. People like to see familiar faces, faces that they feel comfortable with.
Stop taking sides in election. Farooq Abdullah is corrupt and has no respect amongst the masses. People in Kashmir want development. Government is spending money but they are so inefficient and corrupt that the local population hardly sees any change in his day-day life.
The Kashmir problem can be broken down into three major issues, - Kashmiri Separatist (20 %) - Anger with Government for not providing basic things such as water/electricity/roads (70%) - Pakistan Influence/Interference (10%)
The Pakistanis feed on the dis-satisfaction of the Kashmiri People with the Indian government. We need to bring these 70% on our side by effective governance. The Kashmiri Separatist, which is a minority, needs to be LAW enforcement, intelligence-gathering challenge. We use the heavy-handed approach of using an Army to fight the separatist and in the process we further alienate the 70% that are not content.
RE:RE:RE:truth......
by imran patel on Oct 03, 2007 06:39 PM Permalink
The Pakistan influence/Interference needs to be minimized by international pressure/Sanctions/Diplomacy/Trade/Cultural ties/Supporting democracy in Pakistan/etc.
We have to use all the tools (Diplomatic, Financial, humanitarian, Military) at our disposal to solve this issue. No ordinary Kashmiri wants to join Pakistan. What does Pakistan have to offer? They are just dis-content with the Indian Government. We can address that. It will take efficient, honest and hardworking governance.
e are facing sad days all the recent years. Some are marked by sacrifices by our brave soldiers and some by the death of inncent citizens in jehadi terrorists activities. We wake up at times when rarely incident like this is published and again go for our work. But the families of the soldiers will never recover from such incidents. I pray to god to give the courage to mother of vinay and raman to face the sad demise of their sons... Let our army kill all the terrorists and their supporters mercilessly and finish the problem once created by our so called great leaders...! will our so called leaders wake up? they will never. Even media is so besharam that it publishes all the affairs of the semi-n*de bollywood babes and doggy affairs of so called celebrities..but never find place for the real heroes...all money minded
RE:Let the people know the truth
by imran patel on Oct 03, 2007 06:34 PM Permalink
Mr. Shinde, People are mourning the loss of this soldier and saying how brave he was. There is no doubt that he was brave, more brave than anyone of us on this blog.
We are saluting his service, but deep in our hearts we feel better that we are not in his shoes or in the shoes of any of his family members.
This lip service we pay to our soldiers is an insult to their sacrifice. In fact we do not give a damn !!! Why are we not pushing for an effective solution towards the Kashmir Issue ? Why are we letting our leaders off the hook with failed policies over the last 60 years ?
The soldier did his part, where are we and what are we doing to help his cause ?
How can we let elections be decided on issues such as renaming a road or building a mosque/temple ?
Why can't be demand better governance and accountability from our leaders ?
This major is a casualty of our failed policies. And if we really want to honor his sacrifice, we need to hold our leaders accountable.
What is our plan for Kashmir ? What is our strategic Goal ? What tools are we using to accomplish that ?
Lets not be shallow in our thinking. It is time for us to honor the sacrifices of our heros and we can do that by demanding better policies.
