Though the SC's judgement with regard to the TN bandh is a step in the right direction, what was it doing during the earlier instances?
JJ hasn't done anything noteworthy. No bridges / flyovers / anything came up. There wasn't any growth. No new buses were bought. No roads laid. It looked as if there was no governance at all. Looking back at the history of TN, would reveal that TN prospered only during MK's regime. He has the nack of getting good cooperation from the centre and getting the state its due investments. The only sin he commited this time was, commenting on Lord Ram. HE MUST HAVE AVOIDED THAT, sure. He must have limited himself to commenting on Ram Sethu and not Ram. Would he have the guts to comment on the Gods of other religion? Had there been a dilapilated mosque or church in that place, would they dare to meddle with it? Hindu sentiments are always taken for granted. Worse, in flims. All the devotional song tunes were remade with cheap, crap, vulgar lyrics by b's who are also Hindus themselves. Would these b's have guts to do the same with other religions? Our comedian Vivek as if he's a genius himself would make mockery of our faith and beliefs. We'd simply laugh and won't mind the damage done. We've been tolerant to all this and got our senses back as someone wants to make a gain out of this issue. MK is still far better than JJ. He only needs better control over his tongue and not to meddle with the sentiments of the masses.
RE:What was SC doing during the earlier bandhs? napping???
by sowhat on Oct 03, 2007 04:57 AM Permalink
Anything against TN, the whole India would unite.
But BJP is insulting Ram with dirty politics, nobody cares.
RE:What was SC doing during the earlier bandhs? napping???
by sridhar gorantla on Oct 03, 2007 07:43 AM Permalink
sowhat: How blind are your thoughts.
PEOPLE ARE OBJECTING TO THE TAMIL NADU CM KARUNANIDHI COMMONSENSE LESS COMMENTS ABOUT LORD RAMA AND RAMAYANA. PEOPLE ARE NOT AGAINST TAMILNADU OR TAMILIANS. YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS THINKING THAT REST OF INDIA IS AGAINST TAMILIANS.
The people of India agree entirely to the strongly worded observations of the honourable supreme court! Despite the judgment of honourable supreme court's orders asking the Tamil Nadu Government to restrain from the declared bandh, several instances of violations as projected by electronic and print media, placing the general public into lots of inconveniences shows that Tamil Nadu Government did not care to the honourable supreme court's restraint orders. This clearly amounts to a contempt of the orders from the highest court of India. It is reliably learnt that secret instructions had been issued to close all shops and announcements were made in loud speakers to observe bandh by all the people of the cities threatening with the dire consequences!
In this light supreme court is the only solace for the people of India, as the chief minister is arrogant and is running a government of terror and hooliganism in the state for which this one instance is a clear evidence under the direct supervision and admiration of the Prime minister and the chair person of the U.P.A. against the will of the large majority of the state! The law abiding large section of the people of Tamil Nadu therefore pray the honourable court to consider seriously as the clear contempt of court and issue necesay serious punishment to arrest and place the chief minister and chief secretary of the state behind bars on unbailable arrest. The honourable court may also issue necessary notice to the central Government for such Tamil nadu Government against the law and order of the Tamil Nadu with threats to large section of the law abiding public of the state with goondaism and rowdism spread all over the state for a long time under the supervision and admiration of the centre! This will be a great relief to the law abiding citizens of not only of the state of Tamil Nadu but also a deterrent and an inspiration to entire nation!
What you have told is 100% true. I am a Tamilian too and honestly believe MK is purely an anti social person and has been one since 1960s. I myself feel ashamed of what's going on on Ram Sethu issue and the fact that this problem has brought a huge setback to the people of TN in general... But I would like to throw some lights on the fact that people in TN dont like him and the only reason why he is getting elected is because of the other ally. He is aware of this and is clever enough to form ally during each and every election.
Being a Hindu, I am terribly hurt by his comments on Rama.
first he said that he does not believe in existence of ram. he is an atheist, so there is no god as per him. so that is ok. but then he goes on saying that ram was a drunkard. what a shameless act to get muslim votes! he just wanted to please the minorities by abusing hindu god. and unfortunately most of the muslims r communal and they vote as a block on communal basis. they do not have any other thing in mind while voting. whereas the majority hindus r divided and majority of them do not go to vote.
it is ridiculous that a ruling party has given call for a bandh. when sc decided against this (earlier sc had taken similar views on bandhs by shiv sena etc. shiv sena had once been fined also for calling bandh.), mk defied the ruling and ensured bandh. thus he is an anti social person.
it is surprising how any tamilian votes for him. he is also highly corrupt person. he removed one of his relatives from the central ministry just bcoz, he was brave enough to talk against his son stalin.
he also says that bjp is communal, but sides with bjp, when it suits him. earlier a central govt was distabilised by the congress party on the ground that dmk was part of it. now dmk is supporting the same congress at center, just to rule and make money.
such people r a blot on the country.
where is the pseudo secular intellectuals? had this act of defiance been done by modi or ba thakre, they would have all started shouting at the top of their voices.
RE:MK is an anti social person
by R A Sharma on Oct 02, 2007 01:14 PM Permalink
dear sowhat
in our country minorities r the most pampered lot. we have a sikh as the dummy pm, an christian lady as the super pm. till recently we also had a learned and highly popular scientist muslim as the president. nowhere else in the world this type of situation is possible. it is all bcoz the hindus r secular and do not bother about these matters.
but unfortunately most of the muslims of the world r communal. in india most of them vote as a block just keeping in mind 'islam'. they do not have anything else in mind while voting. bcoz of this the scrupulous politicians of the country fall over each other to appease muslims communally to get votes.
that is what mk is also doing. he is the biggest anti social and corrupt person in the country. earlier he replaced a central minister, just bcoz he dared to say something against the tv programme, which was owned by his son, stalin. this is just height of nepotism.
i am surprised how tamilians vote for such fellows.
RE:RE:MK is an anti social person
by sowhat on Oct 02, 2007 01:29 PM Permalink
Maran owns Sun Tv and no Mk's son stalin. get the facts right. But Karnanidhi is as corrupt as any other politician in India without doubt. if you wanna fight corruption, you need to fight every political leader rather than isolating Karunanidhi
RE:MK is an anti social person
by R A Sharma on Oct 02, 2007 01:38 PM Permalink
dear sowhat
i did not remember if it was stalin or maran's son. maran is also related to mk. this is also nepotism.
i am not isolating mk. as far as i remember he has done something so illegal, which no other politician has done before by going against the sc order. he is the biggest anti social politician in the country.
RE:RE:MK is an anti social person
by sowhat on Oct 03, 2007 05:04 AM Permalink
tell me one leader in whole India who is not corrupt? Why everyone corners MK?
RE:RE:MK is an anti social person
by Ram Sharma on Oct 02, 2007 04:25 PM Permalink
dear sowhat
what do u mean that if i fight against tn, i will fail. when did i fight with tn? why should i? i am against the selfish, anti social and corrupt mk fooling the minority for getting votes.
RE:RE:MK is an anti social person
by sowhat on Oct 02, 2007 01:46 PM Permalink
Karnataka went against SC order every year. They never released water and Cauvery farmers died of hunger.
don't be partial. if you wanna fight for SC in every order, I am with u. but, if you just wanna fight against TN, u will fail
RE:RE:RE:MK is an anti social person
by sowhat on Oct 03, 2007 05:05 AM Permalink
All politicans are corrupt and have money. Why you worry only about MK?
RE:MK is an anti social person
by anan on Oct 02, 2007 09:43 PM Permalink
MK has also started a TV. Only God knows with the small money he is having, he was able to start a TV channel on his own.
RE:MK is an anti social person
by sowhat on Oct 02, 2007 01:26 PM Permalink
it's not the minority who create instability in India. it's the Ram movement
India when it got independence in 1947, it promised Staus-Quo of all minorities including Babri Masjid. But it got eventually destroyed.
What if we Buddist start destroying hindu Temples that were built on Buddist temples? Do you know most of the Tamils were Buddists and Jains before Hindus forcefully killed millions of them to convert them to Hindus. read history...
it's not majority rule in democratic system... it's common belief that rules in democratic system... get that first..
RE:RE:MK is an anti social person
by sowhat on Oct 03, 2007 05:03 AM Permalink
Tamilnadu was a Buddist/Jain state in 100 AD. What happend to all those Buddist and Jains?
RE:RE:MK is an anti social person
by R A Sharma on Oct 02, 2007 01:46 PM Permalink
dear sowhat
i never said that minority created instability in the country. i am happy that u r a budhist. bcoz i like budha the most and would love to follow his ideals and i need not change my religion for that. but i don't know if u really follow what budha taught. bcoz japan and china r budhist countries. but the people there do not follow budhism. they r budhist in name only. i once asked a japanese friend that budha taught against killing of animals and how u people kill so many animals including whales (which was more than the quota). then he said that they started meat eating due to american influence. i did not talk more on the issue.
yes majority rules in a democracy and hindus r about 80%. still all powerful posts wer with minorities. can it happen in an muslim majority country or for that matter even in a christian majority country. no. bcoz hindus r the most secular in the world.
RE:RE:RE:MK is an anti social person
by Ram Sharma on Oct 02, 2007 04:23 PM Permalink
dear sowhat
u r making a mistake. democracy means the rule of the majority. it means whoever gets majority rules the country. it may b parliamentary like in our country or presidential as in usa etc.
the point i am making is that hindus r the most secular, hence it is not a problem in the country, if minorities hold all the top posts. it is not possible anywhere else in the world.
RE:MK is an anti social person
by sowhat on Oct 03, 2007 05:01 AM Permalink
No body has majority. the DPA government is not a majority government. it survive the help of regional parties.
DMK aliance won the whole Tamilnadu MP seats. so, they have majority in TN. as per your statement, the majority could do whatever they want. why you question them?
RE:MK is an anti social person
by sowhat on Oct 02, 2007 01:54 PM Permalink
We are not talking abt religion here. We are talking abt accepted political system in India.
When India got independence in India, it decided to secular. Meaning all minority religious places would be protected. But what happend? Babri Masjid was destroyed meaning minorty were not protected.
What did Supreme court do abt it?
Democracy is not majority rule... Democracy is equal rights for all including minority. Get the fact first.
The dispute and conflict of judgement between Chennai High court and Delhi Supreme Court come openly to the public when Chennai high court dismissed the petition filed by AIADMK on Monday afternoon (Oct 1st) on Tamilnadu bundh issue. The Chennai High court said that if the case is handled by the Supreme Court than we have no business with it, you go to Supreme Court only. So they dismissed the AIADMK petition. Even Karunanidhi stated that he obeyed as per the direction of High court. Now the question is what is governor of the state role. Why opposition party go to Supreme Court when the sate governor is walking distance away. They know the Supreme Court can play the dance per their music on Sunday? Court is not a functionality office for the people. It is should act as a referee. This is like football referee is playing a game and putting a goal. This is a foul game supreme court. Now Karat shown a Red card to you! Go to bench now.
RE:Chennai High court Vs Supreme court
by R A Sharma on Oct 02, 2007 12:39 PM Permalink
dear kumar
u should not give any such comments against the sc judges. it is bcoz of these judges, that the politicians r slightly afraid of doing whatever comes to their mind. they r far better than the useless and corrupt politicians.
RE:Chennai High court Vs Supreme court
by kumar talk on Oct 02, 2007 01:05 PM Permalink
In that acse SUPREME COURT HAST START A POLITICAL PARTY AND CONTEST IN ELECTION IF THEY ARE SO HAPPY TO DO POLITICAL JOB! Ibet they loose theier deposit
RE:RE:RE:Chennai High court Vs Supreme court
by sowhat on Oct 02, 2007 01:13 PM Permalink
They will get the Sivaji effect.
I am not MK supporter but he is the only one who could question these rediculous Ram movement in whole India. and he made enough fun of Ram. Now, when ready, MK would make fun of SC too.
supreme court just made themselves in a laughable position...
now, when they recruit judges to SC, they should call for 'Jokers Wanted'
RE:RE:RE:RE:Chennai High court Vs Supreme court
by R A Sharma on Oct 02, 2007 01:35 PM Permalink
dear sowhat
u r saying u r not mk supporter and u r supporting him fully even for his illegal action.
sc cannot b made laughable by such mean minded persons like mk.
it is really sad that there r people like u in the country, who do not have any respect for the judiciary and who have more love for such scrupulous politicians.
any atheist can make fun of any god. but that does not change the thinking of people. even after 80 years of communism, many people of earstwhile russia and yugoslavia fought against each other on religious basis. even now the muslims of chechenya in russia r fighting with the govt.
RE:Chennai High court Vs Supreme court
by sowhat on Oct 02, 2007 01:41 PM Permalink
now, what SC did when TN farmer were dying without water? What SC did when Karnataka refused to release water on SC order? Now why they work on Sunday all of a sudden?
RE:Chennai High court Vs Supreme court
by R A Sharma on Oct 02, 2007 01:34 PM Permalink
dear kumar
getting elected in an election is not equivalent to honesty, specially in a country, where 50% of the people r illiterate. politicians adopt all type of corrupt practices in elections.
RE:RE:Chennai High court Vs Supreme court
by sowhat on Oct 02, 2007 01:37 PM Permalink
Literate don't vote. it's illeterate who go to vote. Because illiterate have nothing when rich upper caste have everything
RE:RE:RE:Chennai High court Vs Supreme court
by sowhat on Oct 03, 2007 05:09 AM Permalink
that's all over India. No politician is honest. Why complain against karuna alone?
RE:Chennai High court Vs Supreme court
by sowhat on Oct 02, 2007 12:49 PM Permalink
KARNATAKA made fun of SC judges when the SC judges asked them to release water to Tamilnadu to help Tamilnadu farmers.
SC judges could not do anything agains Karnataka government. But they work even on Sunday to work against Tamilnadu. what a joker these judges are? we know how to deal them... we have been dealing these jokers for 60 years and still prospering.
RE:RE:Chennai High court Vs Supreme court
by R A Sharma on Oct 02, 2007 01:23 PM Permalink
dear sowhat
u r wrong. sc did not work against tn. bandh means loss of work. earlier also the courts have fined shiv sena far calling bandh. do not blindly support mk, who is the biggest anti social and corrupt politician of the country.
our judiciary is much better of than the corrupt politicians. prosperity is there not bcoz of people like u. there r many good and knowledgeable persons all over the world, including tn. after liberalisation coastal areas all over the world r progressing better than other ares. it is true even in case of china.
stop talking in favour of such useless, anti social and corrupt politicians. if he was so good, why he was getting defeated continuously for about 15 years during mgr's (who was from kerala) time? since jailalitha is also arrogant, mk is unfortunately getting elected.
RE:Chennai High court Vs Supreme court
by sowhat on Oct 03, 2007 05:08 AM Permalink
RamSharma, it is not Tamils beat kannadiga. Kannidga displaced thousands of Tamil living in Bangalore. There were 15 Tamil deaths in riots.
RE:Chennai High court Vs Supreme court
by Ram Sharma on Oct 02, 2007 04:32 PM Permalink
dear sowhat
since aidmk from yr tn only approached sc. they felt that it is urgent, so they worked on sunday. it is for the sc to decide, what is more important. stopping all work in a state is never favoured by the sc. earlier shiv sena was also fined for a bandh. so there is nothing like sc going against tn. only tamilians had made the complaint. or u think that mk is tamilian and aidmk is not?
as regards river water problem i do not remember much, so i cannot comment. but i remember that once tamilians had beaten kannadigas living in tn on this issue, when jailalitha was cm. that was definitely wrong.
RE:Chennai High court Vs Supreme court
by sowhat on Oct 02, 2007 12:29 PM Permalink
Now, the whole India is against the oldest politician who is the only politician who could question the Ram movement that disintegrated India in the name of Ram. After him, there are no leaders (including the N-deal opposing communist) who could question the Ram movement. they just wanna get rid of him
RE:RE:Vedic system was a failed system
by sridhar gorantla on Oct 02, 2007 12:03 PM Permalink
Riches in Vedic India were always despised if they were hoarded or unavailable for charitable purposes. Ungenerous men of great wealth were assigned a low rank in society.
"Inclusion in one of these four castes originally depended not on a man's birth but on his natural capacities as demonstrated by the goal in life he elected to achieve," an article in East-West for January, 1935, tells us. "This goal could be (1) kama, desire, activity of the life of the senses (Sudra stage), (2) artha, gain, fulfilling but controlling the desires (Vaisya stage), (3) dharma, self-discipline, the life of responsibility and right action (Kshatriya stage), (4) moksha, liberation, the life of spirituality and religious teaching (Brahmin stage). These four castes render service to humanity by (1) body, (2) mind, (3) will power, (4) Spirit. "These four stages have their correspondence in the eternal gunas or qualities of nature, tamas, rajas, and sattva: obstruction, activity, and expansion; or, mass, energy, and intelligence. The four natural castes are marked by the gunas as (1) tamas (ignorance), (2) tamas-rajas (mixture of ignorance and activity), (3) rajas-sattva (mixture of right activity and enlightenment), (4) sattva (enlightenment). Thus has nature marked every man with his caste, by the predominance in himself of one, or the mixture of two, of the gunas. Of course every human being has all three gunas in varying proportions. The guru will be able rightly to determine a man's caste
RE:RE:Vedic system was a failed system
by sridhar gorantla on Oct 02, 2007 12:02 PM Permalink
UNDERSTAND ORIGINAL CASTE SYSTEM CLEARLY AND THEN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND HOW IT WAS MISUSED IN INDIAN HISTORY. HERE IS AN EXCERPT FROM THE WORLD FAMOUS BOOK "AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF A YOGI" by SWAMI PARAMAHAMSA YOGANANDA. HERE IS A FREE ONLINE VERSION OF THIS BOOK:
http://www.crystalclarity.com/yogananda/
---------------------------------------------------------------< BR>HERE IS THE CASTE SYSTEM EXPLANATION IN ITS UNADULTERATED FORM: http://www.crystalclarity.com/yogananda/chap41.html: ------------------------------------------------------------ --- The origin of the caste system, formulated by the great legislator Manu, was admirable. He saw clearly that men are distinguished by natural evolution into four great classes: those capable of offering service to society through their bodily labor ( Sudras); those who serve through mentality, skill, agriculture, trade, commerce, business life in general (Vaisyas); those whose talents are administrative, executive, and protective%u2014rulers and warriors ( Kshatriyas); those of contemplative nature, spiritually inspired and inspiring (Brahmins). "Neither birth nor sacraments nor study nor ancestry can decide whether a person is twice-born (i.e., a Brahmin);" the Mahabharata declares, "character and conduct only can decide."Manu instructed society to show respect to its members insofar as they possessed wisdom, virtue, age, kinship or, lastly, wealth. Riches in Vedic India were always despised if they were hoarded or unavailable for charit
RE:RE:Vedic system was a failed system
by sridhar gorantla on Oct 02, 2007 12:03 PM Permalink
The guru will be able rightly to determine a man's caste or evolutionary status.
Serious evils arose when the caste system became hardened through the centuries into a hereditary halter. Social reformers like Gandhi and the members of very numerous societies in India today are making slow but sure progress in restoring the ancient values of caste, based solely on natural qualification and not on birth. Every nation on earth has its own distinctive misery-producing karma to deal with and remove; India, too, with her versatile and invulnerable spirit, shall prove herself equal to the task of caste-reformation.
"To a certain extent, all races and nations observe in practice, if not in theory, the features of caste. Where there is great license or so-called liberty, particularly in intermarriage between extremes in the natural castes, the race dwindles away and becomes extinct. The Purana Samhita compares the offspring of such unions to barren hybrids, like the mule which is incapable of propagation of its own species. Artificial species are eventually exterminated. History offers abundant proof of numerous great races which no longer have any living representatives. The caste system of India is credited by her most profound thinkers with being the check or preventive against license which has preserved the purity of the race and brought it safely through millenniums of vicissitudes, while other races have vanished in oblivion."
RE:Vedic system was a failed system
by sowhat on Oct 02, 2007 12:25 PM Permalink
and that's why the greatest giver of Indian history Karna was discriminated as Sudra...
What a oxymoron practice that Vedic system practice... great system to practice.. i can't stop laughing
RE:RE:Vedic system was a failed system
by sridhar gorantla on Oct 02, 2007 07:12 PM Permalink
YOU ARE ONLY LOOKING AT THE LIFE OF KARNA, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LIFE LORD KRISHNA?
HE WAS A NON-KSHATRIYA, BUT HE BECAME KING, AND INFACT, HE PREACHED TO THE WROLD AS A BRAMHIN, WHO KNOWS OR REALIZES BRAMHA.
AND BY THE WAY, THOSE WHO SHOWED DISCRIMINATION BASED ON BIRTH OF A PERSON, SUFFERED FOR THEIR MISTAKES EVEN IN MAHABHARATA TIME FRAME. LOOK AT DRONA, WHO BY SHOWING SUCH DISCRIMINATION, HE INCURRED CURSES, WHCIH ARE THE VERY REASON WHY HE FAILED.
Donot only look at one side of the coin or use half-knowledge to create confusion among people.
Indian society is slowly, but steadily coming out of the Birth based (wrong one) caste system, and is looking towards the Character based (ORIGINAL) system. The more India does this, the more India develops.
RE:RE:RE:Vedic system was a failed system
by sowhat on Oct 02, 2007 12:08 PM Permalink
What ever you say. at the end, Caste system is a failed system. 70% of people still don't have every day bread.
All you rich upper caste people are having a comfortable life whereas poor don't have food and shelter. That's the result of Vedic system.
RE:Vedic system was a failed system
by sridhar gorantla on Oct 02, 2007 07:07 PM Permalink
Its sad on your part on how you try to downplay and donot try to understand the things in clar way, but you always seems to ridicule things that you donot like, no matter even if they are correct.
THIS ORIGINAL CASTE SYSTEM EXISTS IN EVERY PART OF THE WORLD. When someone deviates from this ORIGINAL caste system, tehn its not the problem of the System itself, but its a problem of the people.
SO, VEDIC CASTE SYSTEM IS A GOOD ONE, WHICH WAS IDENTIFIED AS A NATURAL EXISTING PHENOMENON AMONG SOCIETIES AND PEOPLES, RATHER THAN CREATED BY SOMEONE. IT WAS IDENTIFIED THAT HERE EXISTS THIS KIND OF PEOPLE BASED ON CHARACTER.
IF YOU SAY VEDIC SYSTEM WAS WRONG, THEN I AM SORRY TO SAY THAT YOU ARE WRONG. IF YOU SAY THAT PEOPLE MISUSED THIS ORIGINAL CASTE SYSTEM, BASED ON CHARACTER, THEN I AGREE WITH THAT.
Dear friend, PLEASE DONOT ARGUE FOR THE SAKE OF ARGUING OR FOR THE SAKE OF SATISFYING YOUR EGO.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Vedic system was a failed system
by sridhar gorantla on Oct 02, 2007 07:14 PM Permalink
You seems to have suffered in the hands of those who discriminate based on birth of a person. I know this from the way you hate caste system that is based on birth. I am really sorry for this. Peace be to you.
RE:Vedic system was a failed system
by sridhar gorantla on Oct 02, 2007 12:01 PM Permalink
Why do you comment unnecessarily against Vedic system, without knowing about it clearly, especially the original caste system.
Read below one on Original Vedic caste system. Then comment about it. It is the people who misuse the things and the VEDIC knowledge by itself is NOT wrong. Rest I leave it to your conscience and discretion if you still want to talk against our values.
RE:Vedic system was a failed system
by sowhat on Oct 02, 2007 12:04 PM Permalink
if a person misuse a system and if the general public can't remove it, it's a failed system.
In democracy, if a leader misues his power, the public can go against him Democracy system. What do u have similar to vedic system.
Why India is not following Vedic system? because it's a failed system. just get over it.
Can Karunanidhi prove to me that his true father is the same person as what he has in his birth certificate? Since his dad is DEAD, probably he cannot prove this thing, using Modern Science, since Modern Science could reach only up to Material level proofs, and not beyond that. While the material level world is a continuously changing matter, modern science cannot prove everything that is beyong the material level.
SO, IT IS NOT WISE AND GOOD FOR KARUNANIDHI TO ASK FOR PROOF OF LORD RAMA OR RAMAYANA, SINCE HIS SCIENCE IS ONLY LIMITED.
IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE TO SEEK SOMEONE AND TRUST THEM WHO ARE ENLIGHTENED AND WHO REALIZED THE ALL PERVADING DIVINITY OR GOD. FOR EXAMPLE, THERE IS A SAINT IN ANDHRA, CALLED SRI RAMADASA, AND HIS LIFE IS AS RECENT AS only 500 YEARS OLD. AT THAT TIME, MUSLIM RULER TANISHA WAS RULING AND SRI RAMADASA BUILDS A TEMPLE BY TAKING MONEY FROM PUBLIC, TANISHA LOCKS SRI RAMAMDASA TO REPAY, BUT LORD RAMA COMES AND PAYS THE MONEY TO TANISHA. THERE IS A TEMPLE STILL REVERED AS GREATE PLACE OF WORSHIP, CONSENTED BY TANISHA AT THAT TIME WITH HIS WORDS.
SIMILAR IS THE LIFE OF SRI KABIR DAS.
SO, WHEN IN DOUBT, LOOK TO THE ONES WHO ARE TRULY SPIRITUALLY ENLIGHTENED RATHER THAN BLINDLY ASKING FOR THE PROOFS WHICH THE MODERN SCIENCE CANNOT SHOW. SO, Donot treat everything that you cannot prove as a myth, just because you cannot prove it don't mean it doesnot exist or did not happen. I POSE SAME QUESTION TO ALL WHO DOUBT EXISTENCE OF SRI RAM
Below is an excerpt from the World famous book Autobiography of a Yogi.
HERE ARE ACCLAIMS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD THAT THIS BOOK RECEIVED IRRESPECTIVE OF RACE, RELIGION, NATIONALITY: http://www.yogananda-srf.org/special_ancmnts/ayanniversary/intro.html
HERE IS THE WIKIPEDIA LINK ON WHAT EQUINOCTAL CYCLE IS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equinoctial_cycle
Sometimes, we come across people who ask Questions like "How come Lord rama had so many powers in those old days while we do not have such power to people in these days?" OR "How come there was rocket technology in those days in the form of Arrows with superficial powers" e.t.c.
Below explanation will give an insight into the evolutionary cycles that the Individual is subjected to in this world and will give an idea of what the Terms Yugas like Satya Yuga, Treta Yuga, Kali Yuga & Dwapara Yuga.
RE:IS IT POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE THOUSANDS OF YEARS BACK TO HAVE HIGH SCIENCE THAN US?
by sridhar gorantla on Oct 02, 2007 10:03 AM Permalink
CONTINUED: The mathematical application of a 24,000-year equinoctial cycle to our present age is as follows. The cycle is divided into an Ascending Arc and a Descending Arc, each of 12,000 years. Within each Arc fall four Yugas or Ages, called Kali, Dwapara, Treta, and Satya, corresponding to the Greek ideas of Iron, Bronze, Silver, and Golden Ages.
My guru determined by various calculations that the last Kali Yuga or Iron Age, of the Ascending Arc, started about A.D. 500. The Iron Age, 1200 years in duration, is a span of materialism; it ended about A.D. 1700. That year ushered in Dwapara Yuga, a 2400-year period of electrical and atomic-energy developments, the age of telegraph, radio, airplanes, and other space-annihilators.
The 3600-year period of Treta Yuga will start in A.D. 4100; its age will be marked by common knowledge of telepathic communications and other time-annihilators. During the 4800 years of Satya Yuga, final age in an ascending arc, the intelligence of a man will be completely developed; he will work in harmony with the divine plan.
A descending arc of 12,000 years, starting with a descending Golden Age of 4800 years, then begins for the world; man gradually sinks into ignorance. These cycles are the eternal rounds of maya, the contrasts and relativities of the phenomenal universe. Man, one by one, escapes from creation's prison of duality as he awakens to consciousness of his inseverable divine unity with the Creator.
RE:IS IT POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE THOUSANDS OF YEARS BACK TO HAVE HIGH SCIENCE THAN US?
by Gopi Menon on Oct 02, 2007 10:28 AM Permalink
You are quoting against the Bhagavatham and Other Scriptures JUST TO please the Westerners.Truth of our scriptures are undoubted but need not always converge with the western science.
RE:IS IT POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE THOUSANDS OF YEARS BACK TO HAVE HIGH SCIENCE THAN US?
by sridhar gorantla on Oct 02, 2007 10:32 AM Permalink
Funny. Saints like Paramahamsa Yogananda are the ones who truly knows our scriptures by way of self experiences of the ALL PERVADING DIVINITY. I would trust them more rather than anyone if I had to. Also, above explanation is based o the vedic scriptures that includes Bhagavatam e.t.c.
So, how come the issue of Westerners comes to picture here?
RE:IS IT POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE THOUSANDS OF YEARS BACK TO HAVE HIGH SCIENCE THAN US?
by Gopi Menon on Oct 02, 2007 10:43 AM Permalink
Bhagavatha says Kali yuga period is 432,000,Dwapara 8,64,000,Treta 12,96,000, and Satya 17,28,000 years.How do you patch up the differences?
RE:IS IT POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE THOUSANDS OF YEARS BACK TO HAVE HIGH SCIENCE THAN US?
by sridhar gorantla on Oct 02, 2007 10:54 AM Permalink
Can you please show me exactly where this timing is mentioned? Any online links to Bhagavatam that you have online or even any pointer to a book? There had been lot of misinterpretation of the ancient vedic knowledge by modern people since they could not understand the true essence of creation, creator e.t.c things. Modern science always limited things t material level and started interpreting everything at material level, which led to more confusion about our vedic scriptures and for that matter, any other religious scriptures like Holy Bible or Holy Quran.
Please point me and then only I can tell what the meaning of that mean or atleast I can get true insight from ALL PERVADING DIVINITY realized people on those writings. PLEASE DO POINT ME TO EXACT SOURCE THAT YOU ARE SAYING ABOVE AGE AND TIMINGS FOR THE YUGAS.
RE:IS IT POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE THOUSANDS OF YEARS BACK TO HAVE HIGH SCIENCE THAN US?
by sowhat on Oct 02, 2007 11:53 AM Permalink
There is no exact proven source as long as Veda is concerned.
if someone point out one book, the other say it is corrupted. when other point out some other system, everyone else says thats corrupted. in the end, corruption is the one that stays just like corruption everywhere in India. and India is the house of Vedic system 2000 years ago! may be corruption is the result of Vedic system since noone knows what it is
RE:IS IT POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE THOUSANDS OF YEARS BACK TO HAVE HIGH SCIENCE THAN US?
by sowhat on Oct 02, 2007 01:07 PM Permalink
"IS IT POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE THOUSANDS OF YEARS BACK TO HAVE HIGH SCIENCE THAN US?"
it is irrevalant. the reality is, we are after western power to save as from Pakis and China.
Vedic system can't protect us from Pakis and China, but West weapon could... even during Kargil invasion during BJP period, we needed USA's help. what a joke of these Vedic people
RE:IS IT POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE THOUSANDS OF YEARS BACK TO HAVE HIGH SCIENCE THAN US?
by sowhat on Oct 02, 2007 11:21 AM Permalink
whatever these Sanskirit literature says, majority of Indians are in sorry state.
Communism looks good with the theory of equal to all and border less countries, but in reality, its a failed theory.
same with sanksrit theories. however old they are, the people who happend to follow that are in sorry state
RE:IS IT POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE THOUSANDS OF YEARS BACK TO HAVE HIGH SCIENCE THAN US?
by sowhat on Oct 02, 2007 11:26 AM Permalink
the sorry state people finally decided to follow the West introduced democratic system that they wer following since Aristotle time.
India don't follow Vedic political system and they never gonna follow it. That's the fact. you guys to understand that India is no more following Vedic system. there is no point in justifying the failed Vedic system. we will talk abt it when India wants to follow it. otherwise, talking abt vedic system is just waste of time
RE:IS IT POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE THOUSANDS OF YEARS BACK TO HAVE HIGH SCIENCE THAN US?
by sridhar gorantla on Oct 02, 2007 11:43 AM Permalink
What is democracy? Is it not Vedic system derived?
Remember what Vedas affirm? Don't vedas affirm the equality of all humans? What do you think?
Vedic knowledge by itself is of high value. Weather you follow it or not, depends on your level or understanding about them and depends on your level of enlightment about the world.This is similar to science. Science should not be accounted for the mistakes done by people who misused science.
RE:IS IT POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE THOUSANDS OF YEARS BACK TO HAVE HIGH SCIENCE THAN US?
by sowhat on Oct 02, 2007 11:47 AM Permalink
Vedic system doesn't give voting rights for all whereas Democratic system gives voting rights for all.
What does Vedic system say about 'Human Rights' or 'Equal opportunities' or 'Law against discrimination'? Democratic system talks about all these issues.
RE:IS IT POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE THOUSANDS OF YEARS BACK TO HAVE HIGH SCIENCE THAN US?
by sowhat on Oct 02, 2007 12:14 PM Permalink
Your Vedic system did not give a agriculturally rich India any power. It just sucked the blood the workers and made upper caste people rich and the worker class people as low caste.
That's the end result. and the whole world laugh at us.
RE:IS IT POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE THOUSANDS OF YEARS BACK TO HAVE HIGH SCIENCE THAN US?
by sowhat on Oct 02, 2007 12:10 PM Permalink
What did Vedic system bring? Islamic invasion and British rule...
atleast now, people have rights to question in Democratic system.
RE:IS IT POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE THOUSANDS OF YEARS BACK TO HAVE HIGH SCIENCE THAN US?
by sridhar gorantla on Oct 02, 2007 11:58 AM Permalink
Yeah. You have voting rights, where only 50 or 60% polling hapens, and in that too, vote politics like Minotiry votes e.t.c crap comes in to picture. Gundaas and rowdies can also contest inspite of having so many murder and rape cases against them. Is this is what the Democracy you are calling as a good system?
Its better to have vedic system that affirms that everyone in this world is equal except based on character.
While your democracy doesnot care fo rcharacter, but only cares for Votes. Basically, if people donot want to be sincere, then, no matter, how much of high value, a system may be, the system cannot control people. System is after all for the people, but people are not for the system.
it is no small matter to be the chess world champ. you are one of a kind in the whole wide world when you are the chess champ. and you are doing it all largely all by yourself. and yet vishwananth anand gets no big parade in nai dillie. but sunita does.
RE:why does vishwanath anand gets little recognition?
by sowhat on Oct 02, 2007 09:18 AM Permalink
Because, he is from TamilNadu. How many Indians know about the great intellectual poet (as well as freedom fighter as well as englighten as well as liberator of women enslavement as well as uplifter lower caste Subramania Bharathi? not too many. because he is from Tamilnadu.
RE:why does vishwanath anand gets little recognition?
by Ram Sharma on Oct 02, 2007 04:48 PM Permalink
dear sowhat
u r wrong in saying that anand does not get attention bcoz he is from tn. why r u so regionalistic? in india only cricketers get all the attention. it is all bcoz of media hype and big business. other players, whether they r from tn or any other part of the country, do not get attention, bcoz we indians r crazy for cricket. there r many good non cricket players all over the country and not only in tn and they do not get any encouragement from the govt. though cricket is played only in some countries, which were earlier were ruled by the britishers, it is not popular all over the world. it is most popular only in india, pakistan, b'desh, sri lanka & west indies. even in uk, australia and new zealand it is not very popular.
