We read from yesterday's newspaper that Karunanidhi wrote to PM regarding plight of Tamils in Malaysia. It definitely tantamounts to interference in other country's affairs. Karunanidhi failed to note that Malaysian 'Hindu' rights group that is fighting against the Malaysian Govt. If he had noticed the word 'Hindu', definitely he would have distanced himself from Malaysian affairs. The only word he hates all over the world is 'Hindu' except 'The Hindu' which everybody knows. Another piece of advice to Malaysian Indians. Have your group's name as 'Tamils Self-respect Defence Force' so that more voices could be heard from Tamilnadu and of course from India throwing all norms of decent living to wind in both the countries - Political Analyst
RE:Malaysia: Indian leader arrested for organising protest
by Narayan Venkatishvar on Nov 29, 2007 02:25 PM Permalink
I stay in Singapore & the talk of this letter is in headlines all over... It is so embarrasing... But the papers here criticise this move so badly saying...
"Chennai Minister sends an advice to Malaysian Government, while his own state is in a mess!"
Why do these politicians oke their nose everywhere?
RE:Malaysia: Indian leader arrested for organising protest
by prestonboy on Nov 30, 2007 05:05 PM Permalink
Narayan, what kind of "mess" has been mentioned in the news paper???
RE:RE:tamils are involved, and they are fighting under hindu banner
by slash on Nov 29, 2007 01:51 PM Permalink
karunanidhi is an atheist and populist. he loves to rub the ram followers the wrong way with delight, knowing fully well that his vote bank doesnt lie there. if suppose his vote bank were lorad ram's followers, he's be licking their donkeys (:P) full time.
RE:tamils are involved, and they are fighting under hindu banner
by Another Indian on Nov 29, 2007 02:22 PM Permalink
If they don't believe in Ram they would be calling themselves Hindu Rights Action Force...you islamic dog.
It is indeed true that Malaysia has failed as a nation by being Islamic. Knowing well that only 60% are muslims they should have respected other religions and communities by being secular. But Islam is short sighted and does not respect other religions unlike Hindus who do not mind other religions. This is also the reason that due to religious abuse and lack of equal oppourtunities Malaysia continues to have economic decay despite being such a well endowed nation. The Indians however are equally to blame as they are rarely faithful to the land they live in e.g. in Sri Lanka they make trouble and if they are so unhappy in Sri Lanka or in Malaysia they can surely leave!! All in all Malaysia must wake up to secularism immly otherwise the nation is doomed as the ethnic Chinese feel the same way. The worst part is that in Malaysia they give better jobs only if the candidate is a muslim and if he is not he is coerced to convert!! Yet I have always liked Malaysia as the Malays are good people and truly enough the Tamils are by and large criminals (just like their forefathers) and continue to retain bad blood. The criminal activity in Malaysia is largely done by Indian Tamils only just like LTTE in Sri Lanka
RE:Malaysia and Indian problem
by Manish Kumar on Nov 29, 2007 03:10 PM Permalink
Why should they leave Malaysia ? They have been a part of Malaysia's progress so far . Why should they accept discrimination . And for your Information Malaysia like all South East asian nations (Thailand,Cambodia,Indonasia- which is a confederation of many states, Vietnam etc.) were all Hindu & Buddhist states at some time in their history . And this information is available on the official websites of these states and western encyclopedias for everyone to see ( I am sure some jihadi would start calling it RSS propoganda ) .
RE:Malaysia and Indian problem
by Chelvarajan Sethukavalar on Nov 29, 2007 06:21 PM Permalink
Mr Akshay Gupta . The Sri Lankan Tamils who hail form the north and east are not recent migratns from India, but have lived in Sri lanka for thousands of years and are as native to the land as the Sinhalese. They ruled themselves for most of their history . It is the European colonists who created a country called Ceylon. The British did bring South Indian identured labour mainly from Tamil Nadu to work in the Tea and Rubber estates in SriLanka. They make up aorund 5.6% of the population and are still one of the poorest and most disadvanteged and most dicriminated people in SriLanka. The Sinhalas do not want them to prosper but remain as tea pluckers and their corrupt leaders who are invariably partners of any ruling Sri Lankan govt want them to be the same. The current conflict in Sri Lanka is between the native indegenous Eelam Tamils who hail for the North and East of Sri Lanka who used to make up around 12.6% of the population prior to all the ethnic cleansing and migration ( total Tamil poulation native and Indian was around 18,2% ) plus another 7% were Tamil Muslims ( they prefer to identify themsleves by thoer religion). Total Tamil Speakers in Sri Lanka 25% . The native Eelam Tamils and the Tamils of Indian origin hardly mix or intermarry . First they largely live in differnt parts of the country and then the disparity in education and class. The native Tamils are largely of upper and middle castes. The Estate Tamils are mainly of lower/backward castes.
RE:RE:Malaysia and Indian problem
by Chelvarajan Sethukavalar on Nov 29, 2007 06:34 PM Permalink
Many native Sri Lankan Tamils migrated to Malaysia nad Singapore during the British colonial period, but they migrated and white collar workers ( clerical and administrators ) teachers,Doctors and Lawyers. their desendants are stil living there and have become quite prosperous most of them are now proffesionals. The Sri Lankan Tamils never migrated anywhere as labourers. The former Singaporean foreingh minister Sinnathamby Rajaratnam is a Jaffna Tamil and the current President of SIngapore I think is also of Sri Lankan Tamil background. The Sri Lankan Tamils usually have propered and done very well overseas. Almost around a million ethnic Eelam Tamils have migrated to the west because of the current conflict. Many even form remote villages only speaking Tamil. Most had lost everything and just came with a few belongings but have propered in their newly adopted countires. This capacity to work hard and proper was on eof the reasons that the Sinhalas were very envious about the native Eelam Tamils, they wanted to stop this so that they may not become too prosperous and become more economically powerful than them.
RE:Malaysia and Indian problem
by Adi Mairanhindi on Nov 29, 2007 03:00 PM Permalink
Is that why you Hindis got thrashed in Fiji ? even though you were in majority ?
The age-old adage " be a Roman when you are in Rome" applies to everyone. (See here Indianised Sonia Gandhi). If one prefers to migrate and settle in another country one must sensitize himself to the above saying. If anything is objectionable, there is always lawful route instead of falling back upon one's mother-land for all the ills. At this rate, one will not be surprised that the migrating population demands a separate country (what I mean, imagine Indians in USA unite and demand a separate country of their own within USA). The way things are happening I can not stop from thinking 'absurdly'. I think voices will be raised in support of an Indian who commits a dastardly crime in Saudi Arabia and gets punished there. I do not know how one can read my opinion in the context of 'MALAYSIA'. But International Law is wider subject. - Political Analyst
RE:Malaysia: Indian leader arrested for organising protest
by Rajan S on Nov 29, 2007 01:45 PM Permalink
Dear Bala, would you have told the same thing to Indians during freedom struggle to obey the rules of British, to East Bengalis when "East pakis" were oppressed by "west Pakis" which led to Indo-Pak conflict of birth of Bangladesh, or to Chechenyans when Rusians were bombing them relentlessly or to Kosovians when Yugos were oppressing them? Any social oppression anywhere will invite international criticism and international action. Humanitarian considerations involoving liberty, dignity, equality go beyond political philosophies and barriers.Don't look at the adjective "Indian". Any other oppressed section of society would deserve our sympathy and support.
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by balajee ks on Nov 29, 2007 02:40 PM Permalink
No, I would not have told because India is our country and British came here and ruled us. But Indians in large population went to Malaysia (not only Malaysia, but Singapore, Ceylon, Burma and other countries as well) for living and ruled by Malaysians. Will you extend your support now to me and other Hindus who are oppressed by Karunanidhi who is making sacrilegous statements against Hindu-God, their religious practices in temples and making the people spend sleep-less nights here in India itself. I am surprised we are talking about Indians in other countries. We have to talk about treatment meted out to us in our own mother land. This is a kind of oppression, isn't it? Leave Malaysia, Sri Lanka, Middle east where Indians went for livelihood. If you personally ask me, we should have remained with British. You and one may not agree. But it is better to get caught with Karunanidhi type of politicians -Political Analyst
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by ss on Nov 29, 2007 04:24 PM Permalink
balajee its your experienece of being a tamil brahmin. talking everything aganist karunanidhi.
what about hindus in kashmir, didnt hindus live in pakistan , afghan and bangladesh. stop talking bad you people cant fight for your rights and criticize others who do it
RE:Malaysia: Indian leader arrested for organising protest
by sharath chandra on Nov 29, 2007 01:44 PM Permalink
my dear friend in malaysia the ppl r malaysians by birth more than 2-3 generations. these r the ppl joining with chinees mostly responsible for malaysian freedom. at present most of the so called malays are migrated indonatians. just bez of thier religon and majority they r enjoying all previlages under BUMIPUTRA quota. these poor indian origion malaysians c`nt get jobs in govt, chinees are not employing them, though many indian students score more marks in exams they could`nt get admisions to universities. when it comes to allotment of houses they have not been considered. when ever thier representitive raise any questions in parlieament those MPs will be suspended for three months. so many social problems these poor ppl r facing. they never asked help from any country. they r fighting for their rights. do u belive they r dooing wrong?
RE:Malaysia: Indian leader arrested for organising protest
by vox populi on Nov 29, 2007 02:39 PM Permalink
whats surprising? typical muslim country attitude
RE:Malaysia: Indian leader arrested for organising protest
by balajee ks on Nov 29, 2007 02:04 PM Permalink
I do not believe that they are doing anything wrong. I will get back to you with detailed analysis later. I definitely sympathise with Malaysians of Indian Origin if they have just cause. I am posting the message in the context of interference by Indian Tamil political leaders. That's all.
Dear ones,Kindly spread the message among your circle of friends and relatives, to boycott Malaysian products flooding India, especially electronics, till the wrong is righted. True secularism, religious tolerance and accommodation of other faiths are practiced only in India and any non-Hindu who thinks otherwise is an hypocrite and social subverter. The spirit of Hitler is not dormant but is active in different avatars in different countries engaged in ethnic cleansing.Don't worry, other western nations who don't protest now will be rueing their non-action later and pay the price for it when Malaysian type of "social engineering" is exported to their countries. Indian should strengthen their social networking everywhere to stop this chain of menace which started from Burma (now Myanmar), Malaysia, Sri Lanka and over time continued to Uganda,Fiji Islands. LIke the Jews in Israel offer a place to any other jew from anywhere, India also should offer refuge temporarily until things normalize or permanently to any one of Indian origin who has been persecuted on any ground. We are strong enough to support another billion people if we work hard. Haven't we sheltered Parsis, Sindhis,Tibetans, Bangladeshis(during Pak partition( earlier?. Jai Hind
RE:Malaysian Indians protest
by jain varghese on Nov 29, 2007 01:29 PM Permalink
India is India...very few countries in this world..have broad mentality like India
Look what the Islamo-fascists are doing to Hindus !! We should tell Malaysia that if they harm Hindus then we are gonna administer the same treatment to Muslims.
RE:Islamo-fascists
by Rajan S on Nov 29, 2007 01:30 PM Permalink
No dear Kumar, rather we should treat our open minded and enlightened Muslim brethren still better to set a global exapmple and to wean their young ones away from brain washing and terrorizing "mullahs"
RE:Islamo-fascists
by Mukund Pande on Nov 29, 2007 01:57 PM Permalink
Dear Rajan, These exactly were teaching of Mahatma Gandhi, which ultimately led to Partition of India leading to genocide, massacre of 2 millions of Hindus in Pakistan, leave apart the stories of Hindus in Bangladesh during 1970-71. These Gandhian principles are all fake principles. The only solid principles are that of Charles Darwin, which says "Survival of the fittest". An ethnic group, or a country or even an individual will not survive if he is not strong enough to struggle for their existence. Remember the motive portrayed by Germany behind triggering WW II; it was for re-unification of German Speaking Provinces divided after WW I. So, the point here is if a country, community is not strong enough and can not protect itself and its interests, it will cease to exist. What Gandhi taught us was exactly the same, he even went to the extent of asking Hindus to give up their right of existence. If Muslims are killing Hindus, he expected Muslims to repent for their acts, which never happened even after Mahatma Gandhi died for his fake principles.
RE:Malaysians Indian
by balajee ks on Nov 29, 2007 01:34 PM Permalink
Note one point. The word 'Indian leader' is used by our media (for ex. Rediff News) while reporting on Malaysia matters. It does not appear anywhere that the word coined or used by Malaysian authorities.
RE:Malaysians Indian
by ! on Nov 29, 2007 01:28 PM Permalink
Buyt they are are Indian Origin and we just cannot dis-own them. It shall be very sadist approach!
This is an internal problem of Malyasia. It involves their own citizens. It is advisible for these protestors to avoid trying to get publicity by wrong means. They should follow the laws of the land of which they are bona fide citizens.
The Govt of India should keep off getting involved in such issues.
RE:Malaysia: Indian leader arrested for organising protest
by Sankara Narayanan on Nov 29, 2007 01:35 PM Permalink
Sorry mate I dont agree with you. Remember Mahatma Gandhi fought for the Indians in S Africa. Also every year we conduct Pravasi Barathiya Diwas and attract PIOs and their money and knowledge for our betterment. When Bobby Jindal becomes Gov in the US we (many of us atleast) celebrate. So we can't want them when we want and discard them when troubles occur (BTW, ai am very much a resident of India, if anyone has any doubts!).
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by P. K. Mare on Nov 29, 2007 01:31 PM Permalink
very correct, Is malayshia involve is Gujrat or any other minority case..? then just muh me love da daal ke baitho.
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by pranam on Nov 29, 2007 01:32 PM Permalink
Crap India should intrvene So what are they so big to bully us? We have Singapore to balance power equation
RE:Malaysia: Indian leader arrested for organising protest
by Rajan S on Nov 29, 2007 01:35 PM Permalink
Oh dear, we did not follow this principle when it came to Bengalis during West and East Pakistan stand off, rather we intervened and liberated "Bangladesh". What did western countries do in Kosovo or in Iraq, or inChechenya or in Kurdistan when a section of the society was ill treated by another dominant section? Entire human race is one and inqaulities imposed anywhere should be resisted strongly by all.
Not only Malaysia, but all the Muslim countries are dangerous to India and Indians. Indians should be very careful and cautious while working in all these countries. These countries especiallly the Gulf countries and Malaysia, extract good amount of work from we Indians, learn the job and techniques, and later on they kick us out or quarantine us. I think Indians should serve in India only, not in Muslim countries if they want to maintain their prestige and ego.
RE:Insecular Country - Malaysia
by adi shankara on Nov 29, 2007 01:34 PM Permalink
Dr Mani, so early u forgot how the ME countries have helped u by giving millions of jobs, Further don't u see the plight of BIHARI LABORERS in Assam, Mumbai and other places India. Don't preach us where to work and where not, Ur stomach is full hence all these talk of prestige and ego. Shame on U.
