RE:this is true
by Manish Airy on Nov 20, 2007 01:08 PM Permalink
Samson Paul has a bloody sick mind who seems to be a paid agent of Congress guys and knows nothing about what has changed for better during Modi's tenure as CM. How many mosques & churches in Gujarat have been destroyed during last 6/7 years? How many Christians may been killed or raped in Gujarat despite the fact that these missioneries have been indulging in unlawful activities of converting poor Hindus to Christians? I am an Oil & Gas specialist and can teach you how this business is done on worldwide basis. Do you know that Gujaratis are the richest & highly respected community in US? As regards US attack on India let me tell you US may attack any other country in the world but not India - largest well managed democracy. Yes, one thing is sure that if Modi does become a PM of India, our country will never become "Islamic Republic of India" but congress will make it happen in next few years.
RE:this is true
by prince prince on Nov 20, 2007 12:53 PM Permalink
1) Modi is elected by the public, so thats democracy. 2) Godhra happened because of Muslims burning the train. 3) There are churches and mosques in Gujarat which are not demolished. 4) If people like you create problems, surely there can be trouble. 5) Isolated from the International Community? what makes u say so? 6) Oil and Gas imports will be costly? whats the link with Modi being the PM? 7) Gujarat is flourishing under Modi. 8) Indians living abroad will be isolated? again whats the connection? 9) Visa scarcity? what are you talking? 10) did you meet the Pope and Uncle Sam?
RE:Mohd Haneef or Kafeel / Sabeel Ahmed
by Ismail Sayyed on Nov 20, 2007 01:09 PM Permalink
Yes there is Criticism going on in Small Scale but it should happen in a Broad level and should be given enough Media Coverage, so that it will reach the Corners of the World... But the Irony is this type of Criticism is not found in any Community in India, then why you are asking only Muslims to do it...
1) After the Massacre by Mr. Modi, no Gujrathi came out in the Street to condemn the act, instead this Gentleman was elected as a CM..
2) No Christian from India has raised Voice against Mr. Bush for making Millions of People homeless and killing innocents in the Middle East...
So my point is it does.nt matter which group you belong to, when there is something wrong we Indians should Unite to Protest against it... Cheers
RE:Mohd Haneef or Kafeel / Sabeel Ahmed
by prince prince on Nov 20, 2007 01:18 PM Permalink
Muslims and other parties are screaming about Gujarat riots and Muslims being killed, but what about the people who got burnt by Muslims in that train?
why blaim Modi all the time? Muslms burnt the train and Hindus replied back.
RE:RE:Mohd Haneef or Kafeel / Sabeel Ahmed
by sameer on Nov 20, 2007 02:10 PM Permalink
Matter closed nahin close kiya gaya ,all commisions set up by Govt pointed to the fact that the train was never burned it was an accident .Aploy used to destroy wealthy muslim communities within gujrat
RE:Mohd Haneef or Kafeel / Sabeel Ahmed
by Ismail Sayyed on Nov 20, 2007 01:23 PM Permalink
for argument sake let us say muslims burnt the passengers, Now 2000 muslims killed for 40 hindus so the calucluation is = 2000*(2000/40) should be now killed Is my maths correct? No sensbile human being would say yes.. But how come the sicko RSS and VHP morons are justying this? we have a state and let them hang the people who burnt innocent hindus? why take law into your own hands and kill 2000 muslims?
RE:Mohd Haneef or Kafeel / Sabeel Ahmed
by SV on Nov 20, 2007 01:44 PM Permalink
mai Ismail,
In Kashmir everyday massacre of hindus is going on. Did any muslim condemn that? Bombs killed many in the bombay train recently. Here your Maths does not apply.
Gujjus have replied with eye for an eye & other parts of the nation is just geting ready. Be careful.
RE:Mohd Haneef or Kafeel / Sabeel Ahmed
by Harshul Vaid on Nov 20, 2007 01:14 PM Permalink
Ismail Sayyed, did Muslims come out in protest when the train was burnt by your community?
RE:Mohd Haneef or Kafeel / Sabeel Ahmed
by Manish Airy on Nov 20, 2007 01:15 PM Permalink
Because 100% terrorists around the world are muslims so how could they condemn such idiots. Muslims shelter & support all such muslim terrorists but none will ever report about their existence / activities to Police / army.
RE:RE:Mohd Haneef or Kafeel / Sabeel Ahmed
by Ismail Sayyed on Nov 20, 2007 01:25 PM Permalink
How many Muslims have helped terrorists. They can be counted in single or double digit and more for quick money than any religion. If even 1 per cent of the Muslims in India were soft and helped terrorist, we would have had one the roughest times in our history to keep the country in order. Look at what a handful of naxals can do when you start a war internally with support and infrastructure inside. So please do not raise fingers again and again just because you have an opportunity to hurt people.
RE:Mohd Haneef or Kafeel / Sabeel Ahmed
by KALYAN MITRA on Nov 20, 2007 01:36 PM Permalink
I do agree...why some of your people wants Paksitan's win over India in cricket match..and donot tell me few are there...no...from my childhood I have seen many people wants Pakistan over India...why donot you tell them to move to pakistan...
RE:Mohd Haneef or Kafeel / Sabeel Ahmed
by sameer on Nov 20, 2007 02:08 PM Permalink
Muslims are forced to favour pakistan .the step motherly treatment here forces them too.why does India havea peaceful relation with Nepal and rivalry with Bangladesh and PAkistan
RE:Vote for Modi & Save Yourself!!
by Sami on Nov 20, 2007 12:44 PM Permalink
conscience is the best judge. When you face the final judgement your conscience will speak independantly. your brain can not contol. What you all doing so far? Keep on telling this? you can add many more but you dont find out who is behind it. you dont want also. you keep on telling this. the truth will prevail
RE:Vote for Modi & Save Yourself!!
by Ballu on Nov 20, 2007 01:04 PM Permalink
In that case...you guys will not be able to speak on the judgement day....remember....(your conscience will speak...you brain can not control....)!!!! You guys will be speechless...I am very sad for you....sab ko sanmati de Bhagwan...
The opinion is highly divided about Mr Narender Modi. The civilised people feel that development at the cost of disgrace is not a good option and other group feels that development even at the cost of thousands dead bodies is not a problem. Develoment process should continue and wealth should be generated at every cost.
A hype has been created by both groups in favour of removing or for continuation of Mr Modi.
Every Indian would like to see growth in all areas except crime and the process of development should not be slowed down as we have all the ingredients to challenge all the Odds that will come in the path of our progress. Even the mighty America with its policy of denying technology to India could not stop us and has reconciled to the situation and has offered olive branch.
The biggest myth and hype that has been created is that Mr Narender Modi has brought the development in Gujrat.
The fact is that the business class of Gujrat particularly the Patels who are running the show all over the world and have replaced jews from the trade of diamond all over the world without the support of Mr Modi.
Credit for growth goes to the enterpreneures of Gujrat and the leading business houses and cetainly a very small credit to Narender Modi.
Remove Narender Modi and you will see that the rate of progress will not slow down.But it is not easy to get rid of this fellow as he is good in playing dirty tricks all the time and anyone can be his victim.
RE:Opinion is Highly Divided!!
by prince prince on Nov 20, 2007 01:04 PM Permalink
Ismail Sayyed, there would have been no riots in Gujarat if Muslims would'nt have burnt the train with Hindus on board. Muslims started it and Hindus ended it. So all is well.
RE:Opinion is Highly Divided!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Nov 20, 2007 01:10 PM Permalink
Be it either ways. What should a government do? Try and get the situation under control, immediately, using all the available resources. Using all available resources, find the cause of the incident. If it is a tragedy, provide succor to the bereaved. If it was a conspiracy, hunt down the accused and put them on trial.
What did actually happen? And therein lies the tragedy. All your short-sighted comments about sob-nobody-talks-about-Hindus-being-killed and Muslims-started-it and Muslims-deserve-it and other very similar comments look eerily like a well oiled plan to not discuss the real issue at all.
You can fool some people all the time, all the people some time but not all the people all the time.
RE:Opinion is Highly Divided!!
by SV on Nov 20, 2007 01:48 PM Permalink
"You can fool some people all the time, all the people some time but not all the people all the time"
I totally agree with you Ismail. That is what happening to Islam terrorism all over the world. You can't fool people all the time.
RE:RE:Opinion is Highly Divided!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Nov 20, 2007 02:30 PM Permalink
Clean the dirt below your bottom, before cticising and trying to find mistakes, and shouting at the maximum voice that somebody else bottom is smelling.
Stop smelling others bottom. and stop criticising any religion or region
RE:Opinion is Highly Divided!!
by Common Man on Nov 20, 2007 03:16 PM Permalink
by Ismail Sayyed on Nov 20, 2007 10:21 AM He is a RSS guy pretending as a Christian . This is a silly trick. He knows if he shows himself as a hindu he cannot attack other religions for his is full of myths and superstitions.
These are some of the comments posted by u. So we can see that ur a true muslim (hypocrite)
RE:Opinion is Highly Divided!!
by Ballu on Nov 20, 2007 12:21 PM Permalink
Mr.Ismail,
Whenever and whereever there is an article on Gujarat or Modi you are a very hot debating person. Can I know who is funding you? Is it some Psuedo secularist NGO? or Anti Gujarat element(Congress)? OR YOU BELONG TO SOME JEHADI GROUP?
Let me tell you that you are disgracing yourself by doing so. Also You are playing a major role in spreading the communal divide. Modi may be a culprit but you are a culprit even worse than Modi. Why are you behaving like a disgrace on humanity? Please stop embarasing yourself and do something constructive. This is my sincere advise.
RE:Opinion is Highly Divided!!
by Ballu on Nov 20, 2007 01:01 PM Permalink
fake encounters are cool! They are a cool way of killing...terrorist...anit nationals and anti socials.
Congress plays appeasement politics and woos muslims. Muslims wake up and fight to make sure that all are treated equally. Everyone is getting hurt because of congress policies.
RE:Divide and rule
by Ismail Sayyed on Nov 20, 2007 12:10 PM Permalink
Yeah but they never deceived Muslims like the way Modi and his Party did. They used (and are using everything they can) to keep Muslims out of the normal life. They have Christians running around for preaching their religion. COngress is corrupt but they don't want to kill people in the name of religion. They don't worry about religion or Hindutuva as much as sick minded people like Modi and cotiere does. So I believe they are the lesser of the evils and Muslims might be better off with that than with the bigger Evil BJP.
RE:Divide and rule
by Ismail Sayyed on Nov 20, 2007 01:11 PM Permalink
See the Topic is about Politics in India not about Hindu & Muslim. Learn to think anything above the Religious Divides. Am i not allowed to Express my view without anyone Questioning my Faith... I m not talking here as a representative of any communities. These is my personal Opinions..
RE:Divide and rule
by Common Man on Nov 20, 2007 03:15 PM Permalink
RE:SUPPORT DEVIL FOR YOURSELF!! by Ismail Sayyed on Nov 20, 2007 10:21 AM He is a RSS guy pretending as a Christian . This is a silly trick. He knows if he shows himself as a hindu he cannot attack other religions for his is full of myths and superstitions.
These are some of the comments posted by u. So we can see that ur a true muslim (hypocrite)
RE:Divide and rule
by Yogendra Harchilkar on Nov 20, 2007 01:08 PM Permalink
Mr Ismail ... get your facts straight. It was the Congress which was actively involved in Killing Innocent Sikhs in 1984. It is the Congress-NCP combine in Maharashtra which turned a blind eye to the gruesome killing of an innocent Dalit family in Khairlanji. It is Congress's ally the CPM which is committing mass murders in Nandigram. Why don't the blind Congress supporters understand that Congress is out to destroy the country and its Secular image by trying to divide the people and Rule.
RE:Divide and rule
by SV on Nov 20, 2007 02:08 PM Permalink
So you agree Sikhs were butchered by Congress goons in 1984 roits... But, I remember it as targted at a religious sect called "Sikhs"?
If you don't remember, few (you can count) people plotted & killed Indira Gandhi. In reply, congress sponsored & killed thousands sikhs on the roads of Delhi & other surroundings. Rajivji!! went on record to tell "Some riots took place in the country following the murder of Indiraji. We know the people were very angry and for a few days it seemed that India had been shaken. But, when a mighty tree falls, it is only natural that the earth around it does shake a little"
If you compare with Gujarat few thousands (don't say 2000, they were present at the spot)conspired to kill a train bogie of "Ram Bhakts". The reply was be-fitting, is it not?
Gujarat will select which party is GOOD for them,regardless of all HUPLA in MEDIA, may be they will elect a WOMAN as Chief MINISTER. It does not Matter to them,Neither the 2002 Violence in Year 2007 Life Goes on for them.
But Most likely BJP and MODI LOOKS LIKE , WILL BE SELECTED again in 2007 election to serve GUJARATIS.
So far they serve Gujarat, It does not Matter WHO.
BJP is overconfident and seems to have forgotten 2003. Modi may have performed well, but he must carry everybody along. Central leadership is also wrong in giving him a free run.I have a strng feeling that BJP is in for big, big surprise.
Fresh updates - Belatedly Barkha Dutt breaks silence but stops short of demanding justice and accountability, more nonsense from other media types and finally the Congress reluctance to criticize the CPI-M
Also read Indian Express on how gangrape victim and her missing daughters have no justice from Police while CPI-M mob stands guard
In the perverse value system eschewed by Sitaram Yechury the Tehelka that was not is germane for discussion in Parliament but the CPI-Mafioso%u2019s war on the Muslims of Nandigram is not.
So what perverse logic did Yechury offer ?
Nandigram was a state law and order subject
Tehelka however was about state patronage to a communal carnage
a fundamental feature of the Constitution - secularism was violated
It is surprising Mr. Yechury expects to be taken seriously by the people of this nation with such specious logic.
Let us see why Mr. Yechury%u2019s logic is specious
- the majority of the victims in Nandigram were Muslim, a fact highlighted first by Offstumped and since reported by the Pioneer, Telegraph and Indian Express
- the Home Secretary of West Bengal went on record to state that the CPI-Mafioso waged war in Nandigram
- the Station Officer of Nandigram and the SP of Midnapore went on record to state that they were instructed not to interfere
- the Governor, custodian of the constitution in West Bengal, goes on record to state that Nandigram was a war zone
- the Chief Minister of West Bengal Buddhadeb goes on
RE:RE:Who killed 254 Hindus in Gujarat?
by antonio on Nov 20, 2007 11:19 AM Permalink
Again, Modi is said to have gone to the site of the Naroda Patiya massacre and acknowledged the efforts of the Chhara tribe who were key participants in the carnage there. The fact is Narendra Modi did not visit Naroda Patiya at that time!
In order to play up the horror of some of the ghastly deeds of those post-Godhra riots, Aaj Tak mixed the Tehelka tapes with clips from the movie Parzania that told a story around those riots.
Sadly, there is such fear in our institutions of these %u201Csecular exposes%u201D that they will promptly jump into them, lies and all. Thus, the Nanavati Commission probing the 2002 communal violence in Gujarat quickly announced that it would examine the footage of Tehelka%u2019s latest %u201Csting%u201D. Not to be outdone, the National Human Rights Commission announced that the CBI should investigate the tapes and, if needed thereafter, take necessary action.
All this because, unlike in the US and Europe where there are codes and regulations governing %u201Csting%u201D operations, our country has no statute or rule of any kind to control them. With our Supreme Court giving the widest possible latitude to %u201Cfreedom of expression%u201D under Article 19(1)(a), the state cannot impose any prior restraint on the freedom of the press on the grounds that the publication concerned would offend the privacy of any individual. No remedy will lie before publication.
That is why, in the Operation West End alleging corruption in defence procurements, while leading lawyers and journalist
RE:RE:RE:RE:Who killed 254 Hindus in Gujarat?
by antonio on Nov 20, 2007 11:20 AM Permalink
By the same author: Uncle Sam%u2019s nuclear hardsell
On October 27, he announced at a press conference that he had resigned as government counsel, and had filed criminal cases against Dhimant Purohit, correspondent of Aaj Tak, charging them with cheating, criminal conspiracy, breach of trust, fraud, trespass and breach of communal harmony. He contended that Purohit had offered him a role in a serial which the TV channel was purportedly producing and that he was captured on a hidden camera when he was reading from what had been given to him as a script for an audition test. The immediate result of Pandya%u2019s legal action was that Purohit sought anticipatory bail!
What ultimately happens to Pandya%u2019s cases should, it%u2019s suggested, be closely covered and followed up by all the media that cares for truth and decency in investigative journalism.
Such media, if they exist at all, should also ascertain why the usual bunch of social and human rights activists are not going to the highest judiciary and generally raising hell --- if not a %u201Csting%u201D---over the recent tragedy at Nandigram in Communist Bengal.
Our government%u2019s Minister of Information and Broadcasting, Priyaranjan Dasmunsi, called the Nandigram killings as a %u201Cstate-sponsored terrorism%u201D. Then why is Teesta Setalvad mum? Why are she and the rest of the usual suspects so tongue-tied now, when for the minutest reason, they rant and rave against the RSS, the VHP, the BJP, the Bajrang Dal and the sadhus and saints of Hindu
RE:Who killed 254 Hindus in Gujarat?
by Sathish N on Nov 20, 2007 11:50 AM Permalink
Also Times now is another channel that indulges in biased reporting. I have stopped watching them.
