So, if a person who has spent his entire political career in BJP joins Congress, he becomes "seculer". Is this what Congress' seculerism means???? Man, THIS party is curse on India. They are so hypocrats. I don't have words to criticize them. SHAME ON US that we allow these crooks to rule us!
My muslim brothers, please see through this game of Congress' and join BJP. Raise your voice within BJP. Try to understand majority sentiments. This is no doubt help you. Please help yourself by helping BJP.
RE:So much for Congress' seculerism
by Imran on Nov 16, 2007 10:31 PM Permalink
Dude congress has deceived muslims from independence all these political parties are the same. They don%u2019t have any morals nor any feelings towards the common man they will do anything to stay in power. I will never vote for BJP bcoz they are very communal and are deceiving hindus by playing the hindutva card.
I wonder, what Prabhu Chawla, Rajdeep Sardesai, and the owner of Tehelka must getting as their payment for licking Sonia and Congress. This must be investigated. I guess, the amount must be in CRORES of rupees. Should not these money mongers and anti-society elements be suitably punished?
RE:Salary
by Imran on Nov 16, 2007 09:54 PM Permalink
Ankita they were brave men who had the courage to do such a sting they are not like politicians who sit and eat money first condemn modi than others
It seems that anyone who joins Congress itself become secular, and one, who is not in congress or fled from it becomes communal. What a party this CONGRESS is.... ha ha ha In fact, this is the double standards of congress, which has led our country in this mess.
GUJARAT KA SACH by B.P.SINGHAL,IPS.(Retd.),Ex-MP Rajya Sabha. They-THE SECULARISTS - are at it once again.
"It was a well planned 'GENOCIDE'", "it was 'POGROM'", "it was state sponsored 'TERRORISM'", is what they had said in screaming headlines day after day after day in 2002, in the Delhi based "SECULAR" English dailies and the "SECULAR" electronic media. So complete was the Goebblesian propaganda and so effective was the concealment of truth, that even the Supreme Court lost its judicial balance and without verifying what steps the Government of Gujarat had taken, it went on to write on page 72 of its judgment in the Best Bakery Case that, "The modern day NEROS were looking elsewhere when Best Bakery and innocent children and helpless women were burning ...........". It was media power at its worst that caused this unwarranted outburst from the Hon'ble Supreme Court. All the Gujarat language dailies were giving truthful accounts which were at complete variance with the Delhi based Media. "The Hindu", the leading-most South India daily reported on 1st March 2002: "The Chief Minister Modi frantically asked for the Army units to be called in." On 2nd March 2002 'The Hindu' reported: "Unlike February 28 when one community was entirely at the receiving end, the minority backlash on 1st March has further worsened the situation .......... and the Army staged a flag march in Ahemedabad on 1st March 2002 at 9.00 A.M."
RE:How Cong plans to take out Modi in Gujarat: by telaka sting operation
by ravishankar singh on Nov 16, 2007 07:11 PM Permalink
It was therefore truly shocking that on 25.8.2007, "Aaj Tak" harped on the same old refrain that "Modi did not call the army until three days had passed". Even more outrageous was their insistence on this point. When "Aaj Tak" contacted me on phone to get my response, I told the anchor that the GODHRA carnage took place on February 27th 2002, that the Hindu backlash commenced on February 28th and the Army was doing flag march on the forenoon of March 1st . He cut me short by saying that "this is exactly what we had said, no action was taken by Modi on 29th, 30th and 31st thus giving three clear days to the murderers ." I had to cut him short by reminding him that the date 28th was 28th of February 2002 and there was no 29th, 30th or 31st in that month. The phono was of course disconnected. However, it has to be said to the credit of "Aaj Tak" and "Headlines Today" that they called me for a full length studio debate from 9.15 P.M. 11.45 P.M. next day. But the details of that debate shall have to wait. For the present, however, it is imperative that certain facts are stated to prevent perpetuation of the LIES propagated in 2002.
Fact 1: That SHOOT AT SIGHT ORDERS had been given by the Government on 28th itself.
Being an Ex-DGP and also a Member of Parliament at that time, I was personally in touch with the office of DGP Gujarat and the Commissioner of Police Ahemedabad. I was keen to tell them, (a) To call in the Army at once and (b) To issue "SHOOT AT SIGHT" orders to
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by ravishankar singh on Nov 16, 2007 07:13 PM Permalink
I was keen to tell them, (a) To call in the Army at once and (b) To issue "SHOOT AT SIGHT" orders to all officers of the rank of Sub-Inspectors and above. It was very comforting to learn that the Government of Gujarat had already taken both those steps by 2.30 P.M. on 28th February itself. In fact the State Government had also requested for Armed Police reinforcements from neighboring states, besides calling for the Army. Fact 2: On the 28th February itself 10 Hindus had been shot dead and 16 Hindus had been wounded by POLICE BULLETS. Fact 3: On the next day i.e., 1st March an additional 24 Hindus were shot dead and 40 Hindus wounded by POLICE BULLETS. Fact 4: In the entire period of riots total Hindu casualties were 80 shot dead, and 207 wounded by POLICE BULLETS alone. (But no Delhi-based media showed any interest in giving coverage to these casualties.) Fact 5: The Muslim counter attack which commenced from 1st March 2002 was no less ferocious. In the first three days alone, out of a total of 611 deaths, 101 were caused by POLICE FIRING. Of these, 61 were Hindus and 40 were Muslims. Fact 6: As on 5th of March, as many as 40,000 Hindus had had to be given shelter in Relief Camps. (There was plenty of media coverage given to the plight of Muslims in relief camps but no Delhi-based media covered any Hindu relief camps.) Fact 7: In answer to the Parliament questions, the UPA Home Minister gave the figures of casualties during Gujarat riots. There were Muslims kille
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by ravishankar singh on Nov 16, 2007 07:14 PM Permalink
Fact 7: In answer to the Parliament questions, the UPA Home Minister gave the figures of casualties during Gujarat riots. There were Muslims killed 790, Hindus killed 254, wounded 2500 in all missing 223. Thus this proves the lies that what happened in Gujarat was a one-sided affair for every three Muslims who died in Gujarat, one Hindu was also killed. Such heavy casualties in riot control are UNPRECEDENTED in the entire history of Indian Police. The figures of casualties caused by Police firing in the first three days alone indicate the FEROCITY of Police action. (And the "SECULAR" PARTIES and their MEDIA cohorts even to this day proclaim unabashedly that Modi ordered the Police "to look the other way" to give a free hand to murderers for three days). If they have any respect for TRUTH, they can cross-check the casualties with the records of the concerned hospitals. The Police is duty bound to carry the dead or the wounded in Police firings to the concerned Government hospitals. With the Muslim counter attack commencing from 1st March onwards till the riots were quelled altogether, what took place in Gujarat was a full-fledged Hindu-Muslim Riot. It was no GENOCIDE, or POGROM, or STATE TERRORISM against the Muslims of Gujarat. "No modern day 'NERO' was looking elsewhere". The modern day Chief Minister was dealing with the situation as best as was possible with the highly limited forces at his command. Because of the spontaneous conflagration at scores and scores of loca
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by ravishankar singh on Nov 16, 2007 07:16 PM Permalink
Because of the spontaneous conflagration at scores and scores of locations, it is entirely possible that the Police or Fire brigade may have failed to reach a scene for hours, OR, having been spread so thin, the posse of Police that did reach the scene was deterred from intervening by the sheer ferocity of violence at that point in time. But to say that Police was restrained as a measure of Government POLICY is completely belied by the sheer immensity of casualties caused by Police firings. The insane FEROCITY and BRUTALITY with which Ram Bhaktas including "innocent children and helpless women" were roasted alive at Godhra set the benchmark for the equally insane ferocity of the Hindu backlash and the ferocity of the Hindu backlash was followed by an equally insanely ferocious counter attack by the Muslims. The Delhi-based media made out as though the whole of Gujarat was in flames. It concealed the fact that out of 18,600 villages, 240 Municipal towns and 25 Districts, the number of locations that were affected by riots was just 60. Not a single man-day was lost in the 200 odd Industrial townships by any Industry in Gujarat because of the riots. The examinations in Schools, Colleges and Universities were conducted as per schedule during the period of riots. Irrefutable confirmation that it was a Communal RIOT and not a GENOCIDE or POGROM, came from the verdicts of Courts in POST-GODHRA riots cases: (i) Deccan Herald reported on May 2004: Conviction of 3 confessing Mu
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by ravishankar singh on Nov 16, 2007 07:18 PM Permalink
People overwhelmingly believe that the Tehelka "sting operation" was sponsored by the Congress. If it is so, then, this would be the third major attempt of the "SECULAR" Congress to stoke the communal flames in the country. The first major attempt was made through the Sachar Commission who ordered a headcount of Muslims in India's Defense Forces. Thanks to the Army Chief who firmly put his foot down to prevent the communal virus from infecting the Army. The second attempt was made when the Government of India filed the affidavit in the Supreme Court, in the Sethusamudram case wherein it QUESTIONED the very existence of Sri Ram. Now by sponsoring Tehelka, "Sting operation" it made a despicable third attempt to communalize the Indian Polity. What Tehelka "Sting operation" has done, clearly attracts Section 153A of the IPC and if Congress has not sponsored this "Sting operation" then it should not hesitate to prosecute Tehelka u/s 153A IPC. As Tehelka as well as the T.V. Channels who aired those tapes are headquartered at Delhi, it is the Delhi Police and consequently the Government of India to take the action. What Tehelka "Sting operation" has done, clearly attracts Section 153A of the IPC and if Congress has not sponsored this "Sting operation" then it should not hesitate to prosecute Tehelka u/s 153A IPC. As Tehelka as well as the T.V. Channels who aired those tapes are headquartered at Delhi, it is the Delhi Police and consequently the Government of India to take the lega
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by ravishankar singh on Nov 16, 2007 07:19 PM Permalink
it is the Delhi Police and consequently the Government of India to take the legal action against them u/s 153A IPC. Nobody could have had any grouse if "Tehelka" and the T.V. Channels had passed on those tapes to the Supreme Court, for suitable action, or even telecasted the so-called confessions of VHP activists or the BJP MLA for the information of the people. And, if indeed, those confessions are genuine and have any evidentiary value in them, then the law must take its course against those whose guilt is established. The real MISCHIEF that attracts Section 153A IPC is the JUXTAPOSITION AND INTERSPERSION of rising flames and bellowing smoke with the earlier recorded bytes of the Gujarat riots, accompanied with crashing cymbals, beats of drums, screaming voices, and the highly provocative comments of the 'anchors' of the channels that aired those tapes. There is a clear intention to inflame communal passions through what all was telecast in the name of "Gujarat ka Sach", and it would be dangerous for the future of the country if such a nefarious act goes unpunished by default of the UPA Government. Date: 29.10.2007 (B. P. SINGHAL) IPS. (Retd.), Ex-MP Rajya Sabha
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by ravishankar singh on Nov 16, 2007 07:17 PM Permalink
(i) Deccan Herald reported on May 2004: Conviction of 3 confessing Muslims for 7 years for attempted murder. (ii) Indian Express dated 19.03.2006 reported: 7 Muslims convicted for life for the murder of Mukesh Panchaal. (iii) Indian Express dated 29.03.2006 reported: 9 Muslims convicted for attempted murder and Arms Act with sentences ranging from 10 years to 18 months. (iv) Indian Express dated 19.05.2006 reported: 4 Muslims nailed by DNA tests and convicted for LIFE. While the "SECULAR" PARTIES and the "SECULAR" Delhi-based Media singled out the Hindu backlash for mega-publicity, they BLANKED OUT the Godhra carnage, as well as the Muslim counter attack for reasons best known to them. Nevertheless, not only the MINORITY community of Gujarat, but the entire population of Gujarat had been well aware of "GUJARAT KA SACH", ALL ALONG. As a result, all the Goebblesian propaganda had to bite the dust when the BJP was not only returned to serve Gujarat for a second term, by an overwhelming majority in the legislature, in the Post-Godhra-Post-Gujarat elections, but also continued to win the Corporation, the Municipal and the Gram Sabha elections with overwhelming margins. In a DEMOCRACY, THE PEOPLE KNOW WHO IS WHAT. AND THE PEOPLE ARE THE FINAL ARBITERS. Tehelka and the sponsors of Tehelka have once again tried to vitiate communal harmony not only of Gujarat but of the entire country. People overwhelmingly believe that the Tehelka "sting operation" was sponsored by the Cong
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by dominodeck on Nov 16, 2007 07:19 PM Permalink
Thank you, Mr. Singh....
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by deepak bhatia on Nov 16, 2007 08:02 PM Permalink
There are no checks on media. They are thoroughly biased and intentionally sensationalise the stories to make their channels' viewership increased. I have personally met so many anchors and correspondents of newspapers and channels and told them true stories which they had already carried on air / newspapers which were totally biased. But nobody pay any heed to the truths. This is the true stoty of media. Just see any news channel and you will find so unscientific and unbelievable stories coming up daily. It is disgusting that they are misusing their power of pen.
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by sundar on Nov 16, 2007 10:12 PM Permalink
Thanks for this verbatim post of Shri.B.P.Singhalji.
Any Pseduo-seculars..please take time off and read such articles. Its never too late to realize the truth. CPI(M) can roast Nandhigram. Its their birth right and Karat and his men have taken pledge under Chinese guidance to do their best. Shame!! you commies.
How much you bark again Mr. Mody, I trust ppl of Gujrat will choose %u2018progress%u2019 over everything else. It%u2019s not UP, Bihar , WB. We Gujjus are always revolutionary. We will throw out Angrez and now terrorists%u2026
See what we did after a killer earthquake in Kutch in 2001. Just go thru Bhuj-Kutch by google earth. This is the fastest economical growing region in India.
I really wonder whether those who are debating on this Board have read the article under discussion. The folloiwng is a part of the article:
"But, most significantly, the Congress will give tickets to all eight rebel BJP legislators, barring the controversial minister Gordhan Zadaphia. According to party sources, "the eight rebel legislators who were sitting members during the last regime will be given tickets because their chances of winning are good."
So the BJP legislators who are now in the Congress camp seems to have taken a dip in the Ganga and washed off all their sins! They are the new mascot of the Congess party. This is their true face!
RE:Double standards
by biju nair on Nov 16, 2007 08:11 PM Permalink
Ex BJP legislators washed away their sins automatically once they join Sonia led congress. All sins of Sonia led Congress were forgiven 2007 years back when Jesus was crucified.
I%u2019ve never seen Muslims supporting any jihad terrorist activity, at least in a public forum like this.
But I see a few Hindus (Guju) are supporting n justifying these rioters who have massacred their own fellow citizens, I see this attitude of this few people as in-human and they disgrace to be called as an Indian or a Hindu.
So much of hate has been spread across this state which has corrupted its people mind.
RE:jihadi riots
by Imran on Nov 16, 2007 06:44 PM Permalink
Well said Sirji hindus on this forum are relating all the terror acts in the world to Indian muslims and justifying that what happened in Gujarat riots was right. Request you all to condemn terror let it be done by a hindu or muslim if our future generation has to have a good life.
RE:jihadi riots
by ak on Nov 16, 2007 07:31 PM Permalink
my dear gac it is established fact that hindus as group have never adopted terrorism to enhance its religion. it is Islamic Jihadi forces which work to kill kafirs for the advancement of Islam.
certainly Quran deoes not justify the killing of even Kafirs but the point is this the true followers of Islam nd Quran do not come forward to actively oppose these Islamic Jihadi Terrorist who are maligning Islam by killing non muslims.
and certain muslims come on this board to criticise hindus who speak against Jihadi forces.
RE:jihadi riots
by Imran on Nov 16, 2007 10:03 PM Permalink
Ritu u are the last person I will take advice from bcoz u have openly told that those who got killed and raped in the riots deserved it so there is no point in debating with u.
RE:jihadi riots
by JGN on Nov 16, 2007 06:53 PM Permalink
This sort of heart-burning is the result of compartmentalizing people on the basis of caste, creed, colour, religion, etc. A criminal is a criminal irrespective of his religion or other affinities. Those who have committed crime needs to be punished (whether the perpetuators of the incident in the train or its after-math).
RE:jihadi riots
by Imran on Nov 16, 2007 07:08 PM Permalink
Yes religion, caste, language, color etc are all man made evils due to which generations are suffering. Hope better sense prevails among fanatics on both sides.
