YOU HAVE ACCUSED ME IN YOUR PREVIOUS POST THAT I AM INSULTING THE ISLAM AND HOLY QURAN. PLEASE READ MY EXPLANATION BELOW AND CLOSE YOUR EYES AND CALM DOWN YOUR MIND AND WAIT FOR A WHILE AND THEN AGAIN LOOK CLEARLY IN TO MY POSTINGS. YOU WILL GET THINGS CLEARLY PERCEIVED. A DISTURBED MIND CANNOT PERCEIVE OR ACT CLEARLY.
I am not saying anything negative against Islam. If you read my posting, you will see me referring to Holy Quran as "Holy", rather than any other way of referring to it. This means, I have equal respect for the saints of all religions, like Lord Krishna, Lord Jesus Christ, Prophet Mohammed and respect for Holy Quran, Holy Bible and Bhagavad Geeta, Vedic knowledge.
Any one who had a personal experience of the ALL PERVADING DIVINITY OR GOD OR ALLAH OR PARAMATMA OR HEAVENLY FATHER will affirm that all religious texts are same if you had the personal experience. Only when you donot know the truth, you will have difference but you know the truth to the full extent, there will be no differences.
RE:Dear Ismail Sayyed: Read this
by Imran on Nov 12, 2007 02:44 PM Permalink
U are right all religious texts are same %u2018STUPID%u2019 and nothing else and people who follow such texts are the biggest fools. There is no religion in the world that an educated and intelligent man can follow.
RE:Dear Ismail Sayyed: Read this
by sridhar gorantla on Nov 12, 2007 02:49 PM Permalink
Religion is something that is nothing but a set of rules, and if you put those rules to test, then you will find how much the truth that is timeless (or doesnot change without time) is there in the religion and how much is the content that is contemorary to the times when the rules were framed. If you only take the timeless content (or the knowledge that is included in the religious texts), then you will find that this timeless content is one and the same in all the religious texts, including the modern science, since modern science ALSO DOESNOT SAY ANYTHING OPPOSITE TO THAT OF THE RELIGIOUS TEXTS , WHEN IT COMES TO THE TIMELESS CONTENT.
RE:Dear Ismail Sayyed: Read this
by Imran on Nov 12, 2007 02:56 PM Permalink
Dude u must be from some ashram all the religious texts have so many scientific errors and pornography that they can never be from a sane god. If god was responsible for all the religious texts then god must be insane.
As long as you indulge in the world of senses, you will find that things as pornographic, carnal, attractive, lustful, greedful etc. But, when you revert your senses from the world and control them and when you command them rather than you commanded by them, you will find that everyone is like you mother of your father or your brother or your sister or as an extreme, AS YOURSELF. This is the state of the DIVINITY. As long as one is away from this state, one has to suffer in the hands of nature by beong slave to the nature and being commanded by its rules.
So, give me examples of what pornography you are talking about.
RE:Dear Ismail Sayyed: Read this
by Imran on Nov 12, 2007 03:15 PM Permalink
Dirt is not in my mind but in the mind of religious fools who are responsible for all the evil exsiting on earth today. Mahabharat and Ramayan are epics and I cant understand how any sane person can beehive in such myths and fables. Religious people are like small kids who belive in nonsense kids grow up but religious people never grow up.
RE:Dear Ismail Sayyed: Read this
by Imran on Nov 12, 2007 04:28 PM Permalink
Praveen ur wordsdont refelct anyhting bcoz u are following nothing but nonsense of the highest degree. People who dance before their gods and then throw them in the water should not comment on others religion. I can comment on any religion bcoz I dont follow any.
RE:Dear Ismail Sayyed: Read this
by Ismail Sayyed on Nov 12, 2007 03:43 PM Permalink
There are a Million loop holes in Hinduism but I don't want to hurt Hindu Friends... I expect the same attitude from you... Hope you guys understand.. If I open up the Secrets of Hinduism, then Rediff will become a XXX Rated Site... I want to act gently, No Politics Please
RE:RE:Dear Ismail Sayyed: Read this
by sridhar gorantla on Nov 12, 2007 03:58 PM Permalink
Dear Ismail Sayyed, I hope you understand the difference between the Hinduism and the followers of Hinduism.
Now, tell me what loopholes are you talking about. I will be able to explain if the loophole you think is just you imagination or a misinformation that you got or a misinterpretation by you or some others.
Do PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHICH ASPECTS YOU THINK ARE LOOPHOLES. Lets open up and clear things. I HAVE WISDOM TO ACCEPT IF THERE WERE MISTAKES DONE BY RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE IN THE PAST, BUT I MAY NOT ACCEPT IF THERE ARE LOOPHOLES IN THE CORE OF HINDUISM WHICH HAD ITS ORIGINAS IN Vedas , Bhagavadgeetha etc Holy Scriptures.
RE:Dear Ismail Sayyed: Read this
by sridhar gorantla on Nov 12, 2007 04:25 PM Permalink
Is this what the approach ISLAM taught you to take, when someone is palcing blame on Islam?
I thought, Holy Quran (for that matter, every religion) teaches the practice of patience, accpetance of mistakes, and facing the negatives (if there are any) by way of proper truth rather than beating around the bushes. Beating around bushes only leads people to more confusion. I would suggest, you give proper answers if possible, or else keep away from answering, rather than beating back with false words or false allegations.
REMEMBER ONE THING. Holy Quran never told to beat back others with false information, but only with truth. If we donot know truth, then, I guess, we can better shut our mouths and do a soul search for truth, rather than giving blasphemy. Rest, I leave it to your discrimination.
RE:Dear Ismail Sayyed: Read this
by Imran on Nov 12, 2007 04:44 PM Permalink
Sridhar u are doing a very good job of promoting Hinduism here.People like u are misled and u try ur best to mislead other people to the false religions. If the amount of money and effort spent on carrying out religious rituals were spent on development India would have been a developed country by now.
RE:Dear Ismail Sayyed: Read this
by sridhar gorantla on Nov 12, 2007 04:55 PM Permalink
Dear Imran, People will realize things slowly, but steadily as more and more enlightened ones rises from the society and this is what is happening in India. LOOK AT WHAT THE GROWTH RATE TINDIA IS ACHIEVING? PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT INDIA ONLY AFTER CHINA, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT SCOPE, SINCE EVERYONE WITH IN INDIA AND OUTSIDE OF INDIA HAD REALIZED THE TRUE VALUES AND ETHICS OF INDIA AND THE TRUE POTENTIAL OF INDIA, INSPITE OF SO MUCH OF THE MATERIAL AND MIND LEVEL DIFFERENCES AMONG INDIANS, YET BEING ABLE TO WORK COOPERATIVELY.
So, THINGS ARE GETTING BETTER AND I AM NOT BEING MISLED BY ANYONE. I AM GUIDED SOLELY BY MY INTUITION THAT IS IN CONSTANT CONTCT WITH THE UNVIERSAL DIVINITY AND I AM GUIDED BY THE LORD CHRIST OR LORD KRISHNA like SAINTS THAT INDIA EVEN NOW, HAS WITHIN SILENTLY AND HUMBLY.
ONE MAY DECEIVE ONESELF, BUT NOT THE ALL PERVADING DIVINITY, SINCE DIVINITY IS BEYOND THE CUNNING HUMAN MIND, AND WILL YIELD ITSELF TO ANYONE WHO DEVELOPS THE TRUE AND UNCONDITIONAL LOVE OR AFFECTION TOWARDS THE ALL HUMANS ALIKE.
RE:Dear Ismail Sayyed: Read this
by sridhar gorantla on Nov 12, 2007 03:55 PM Permalink
Calm down your mind brother. The core of all Holy scriptures is one and the same, its just the language and the words may be different and MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE INTERPRETATION DONE BY MAJORITY OF THE ISLAMISTS IS WHAT ATTRACTED SO MUCH HATRED BY OTHERS. But if you calm down the mind and then look a bit deeply in to the teachings of Prophet and if you remove all the rules in Holy Quran, that may purely related to the socioal-political-economical conditions or aspects, then the true core of Holy quran on same as that of Bhagavad Geetha or Holy Bible or that of the Vedic knowledge. Of course, this is similar to the way the world is made up of. If you look at all the matter, each has its own characteristics and properties and built up. but, if you dig in to the core of the matter, it is nothing but composition of atoms, which in turn is nothig but electrons, neutrons, protons and when you look even more deeper, are nothing but the same thing, which is called energy. So, if you look at the apparent level, matter illudes you, but the more deeper you look, the mor eunivty of the matter you find.
Similar is the riddle of religions. If you look at only the apparent levels, they make one confused and make contradictory, but if you look deeper or dig deeper, then, they are all the same when you look at the core.
SWAMI VIVEKANANDA AFFIRMS THIS. Read some of his speeches.
RE:RSS and Global Warming
by abhijeet on Nov 12, 2007 02:44 PM Permalink
Great idea, please Mr Aadi manav first try to appreciate the good work done by them, then join RSS and do this i m sure they will help you out with your noble cause And please tell me what have you done for the community first do it yourself before giving advise
RE:RSS and Global Warming
by Sahadevan KK on Nov 12, 2007 02:52 PM Permalink
yeh the next thing you will suggest hindus to not take daily baths like mallus to save water also. every one knows that mallus take bath only on friday( so pathetic)
I You said that my explanation of the caste system was from RSS books. What will you do if I give a direct proof that the source of my explanation is not a jokers book, but a world renowned book, which had received rare reviews from the Media all over the world irrepective of race, religion, nationality etc materila and mind level differences.
Will you accept my challenge? DO YOU HAVE TIME FOR MY CHALLENGE?
DONOT JUST WRITE SOME CRAP IN THE FORUMS LIKE THIS, SINCE IF YOUR HATRED WRITINGS LEAD SOME OTHERS BY MISTAKE TO THE WRONG PATH, THEN YOU WILL BE ACCOUNTED FOR THE MISTAKES BY ALLAH.
So, Be careful of what you write. To tell this truth, I guess, I donot have to be a hindu or christian or a muslim, but should be a human being.
RE:Dear Ismail Sayyed, lets have a challenge
by sridhar gorantla on Nov 12, 2007 03:26 PM Permalink
Thankyou brother. From the depths of my heart, wish that ALL PERVADING DIVINITY OR ALLAH grant you more and more strength and patience to understand the subtle, yet easier (if you control and calm your mind) things of the life and give peace to you.
RE:Majority of RSS leaders.
by sridhar gorantla on Nov 12, 2007 02:35 PM Permalink
Mereily taking birth to a particular class of the only 4 castes in the caste classification does not make you belong to that caste automatically, BUT ONLY YOUR CHARACTER WILL DETERMINE IF YOU BELONG TO WHICH OF THE 4 CLASSES IN THE SOCIETY. SO, UNDERSTAND THE ORIGINAL CASTE AND THEN WRITE SOMETHING ABOUT THE CASTE SYSTEM IN THE FORUMS.
Ours is not a religion created to whims of one. it is a way of life. the sub-continent was already divided by ginna to dnjoy power and create problems. Which we see in pakistan and extended territory of india. Think yourself fairly. Minorities need protection only when there is discrimination. Here you have equal rights . Why politicise and give room for fanatic politicians to fish in troubled waters This incluides "Secular politicians". we see in Nandigram and seen in N.Delhi in 1984.
You folks seem to be saying that you donot have time and hence you want me to write things in short. Well, if you donot have time to know something or to research about something in deep, all you get is half-knwoledge and this is even more dangerous rather than having no knowledge at all. So, please be patient rather than beating around bushes or try to spread hatred in forums like this in the name of maligning RSS etc.
RE:Dear Ismail Sayyed and all
by Imran on Nov 12, 2007 02:33 PM Permalink
Dude if u want to follow something and need guys like rss to tell u whats right or wrong than u are not an intellectual bcoz only a sheep need a shepherd.
RE:RE:RE:Dear Ismail Sayyed and all
by Imran on Nov 12, 2007 02:39 PM Permalink
Yeah I agree thats why I dont follow any of the stupid religions existing today on earth.
RE:Dear Ismail Sayyed and all
by Hindusthani on Nov 12, 2007 02:56 PM Permalink
If RSS is communal, then even Muslim league who never think of any community other than islam
RE:Dear Ismail Sayyed and all
by abhijeet on Nov 12, 2007 02:40 PM Permalink
hey please stop posting the same msg twice, this shows what an intelligent person you are
RE:Dear Ismail Sayyed and all
by sridhar gorantla on Nov 12, 2007 02:45 PM Permalink
You follow someone only after establishing a trust that was done only after careful evaluation. Also, following blindly is not adovacted by Vedic Scriptures at all. But, at the same time, you should also have trust to some extent. Its a delicate balance that one has to maintain by way of using ones own intuition. Hinduism never advocates to follow blindly, especially when it comes to knowing or realizing of ALL PERVADING DIVINITY OR GOD OR ALLAH OR PARAMATMA OR HEAVENLY FATHER. It affirms one to have personal experiences that will make one affirm the existence of ONE AND THE ONLY ONE TRUTH AND THAT TRUTH IS THAT GOD IS ONE, GOS IS GREAT AND Most Importantly, GOD IS EVERYWHERE.
RE:Dear Ismail Sayyed and all
by Imran on Nov 12, 2007 02:49 PM Permalink
If Allah, Ram or Heavenly father exists then Santa Claus too. Organized religion is a tool for exploiting the common man by politicnas, clergy and terrorists.
RE:Dear Ismail Sayyed and all
by sridhar gorantla on Nov 12, 2007 02:57 PM Permalink
When you have personal experience of ALLAH OR GOD OR THE UNIVERSAL POWER THAT POWERS THIS ENTIRE UNIVERSE, INCLUDING YOU, ME AND EVERTYING IN THIS WORLD, then you will be humbled by it.
The moment religion comes between an individuality and the universalness or ALLAH OR GOD OR PARAMATMA OR HEAVENLY FATHER, then the troubles comes. After all, religion is just a set of rules (like a map to a traveler), but rreligion by itself is not the GOD OR ALLAH OR ALL PERVADING DIVINTIY.
Once you travel to your destination, you scrap the map that guided you, but if troubles are caused to you in between, because of following the map, then you either had diverted from what is said in the map(by way of misinterpreting it) or the map itself is incorrect and needs a reision of the map. In case of hte religions, most of the religions have been misinterpreted, or the subtle content was lost since people had focused much on the extra things rather than focussing on the DIVINITY itself.
Lets not account the religious texts for the mistakes that humanity did, but lets account the humanity for this (in particular those who misinterpreted these holy scriptures) and try to look in to the subtle meanings of the scriptures, by calming down our minds and by controlling our senses. This is the only way for us to proceed, and any other ways will lead only more and more troubles. This is the only scientific approach.
RE:Dear Ismail Sayyed and all
by Imran on Nov 12, 2007 03:24 PM Permalink
Dear Sridhar if it gives pleasure to u to realize the existence of a thing not existing then go ahead. I%u2019m against organized religion bcoz it has caused more harm than god. Let people believe in whichever god they want to but inside the 4 walls of the room. If religion comes on to the streets it causes mayhem
RE:Dear Ismail Sayyed and all
by sridhar gorantla on Nov 12, 2007 03:17 PM Permalink
First of all, what is GOD OR ALLAH OR PARAMATMA OR HEAVENLY FATHER.
God (or refer to it by your own name as per thetendency of your mind) is defined as something that is all pervading in this creation and as well as beyond the creation.
But if you look from an individual persons perspective, in the initial stages one sees GOD as remotely located superior thing and will have a feel thatt his superior thing may be controlling things that are far beyond the comprehension of the self. In the intermidiary stages, the same individual perceives the GOD as superior and the individual sees self as part and parcel of the divintiy as well as will have the perception that the GOD is all pervading including in self and in everyone and in everywhere. Now, in the advanced or final stages, the same individuality doesnot have any feeling or perception of self as an individuality but as an all PERVADING DIVINITY that exists within and beyond the creation.
Its like, if you look from bottom of the building, you donot have a complete picture of what your visibility is, but as you progress up and up the building, you will get more and more visibility and at the peak point, you will have an omnipresent view. Divinity is also same. The secret to this realization is to calm down the mind and body, which is what the CORE ESSENCE of every religions is.
RE:Dear Ismail Sayyed and all
by Imran on Nov 12, 2007 03:04 PM Permalink
Sirji how can u reach something which doesn%u2019t exist can u tell me. God is just an imagination of weak people who hold on to god like a crutch. "It is said that men may not be the dreams of the Gods, but rather that the Gods are the dreams of men." - Carl Sagan "It may be that our role on this You know your god is man-made when he hates all the same people you do. --[from Usenet]
Shobhana (38) is attacked by a BJP cadre. BJP had called for a State-wide hartal on Kerala Day on November 1, 2007.
BJP had called for a State-wide hartal on Kerala Day on November 1, 2007, in protest against the inauguration of the Salem Railway Division in Tamil Nadu, which the party said was a deterrent to the interests of Kerala.
RE:Modi%u2019s brutality spreads all over India.
by jithu indian on Nov 12, 2007 02:41 PM Permalink
dear commie, just see what is happening in nandigram
RE:Modi%u2019s brutality spreads all over India.
by Sahadevan KK on Nov 12, 2007 03:00 PM Permalink
what about the atack on medha patkar in WB by commies
