I observed that wherever Hindus are in full majority or more in number and muslim and christians are very few, in those places, there are no clash or problem. Wherever Muslim or Christians become high, there the problem starts. It not only for Kashmir or North eastern states. It's applicable for a district or town or village or even in a street. Why so? One of my friend told, To make India peaceful there shouldnot be any fanatic religious (muslim or christian) people or they should be in very few. Is it right?
RE:Way for Peaceful India
by Chitra Devi on Nov 12, 2007 07:00 PM Permalink
Ismail, I don't bather who teaches it. But when we read newspaper or watch news this what all people realising. It's not only for India, It's for the whole universe. Am I right?
RE:Way for Peaceful India
by rajesh davku on Nov 13, 2007 11:20 AM Permalink
Chitra! the real fact about indian media is that much of it is biased, be it newspapers or audio-visual etc.As the same is controlled by a particular section of society which plays very tectfully with the thoughts, religious beliefs and emotions of masses for its own advantages.
RSS must stop giving any statement against any other religion. They should start concentrating in 1)developing Schools and Colleges exclusively for HINDUS without any reservations within them. 2) providing Homes and employment to Hindu families below poverty line.
IF YOU want to use REligion to group yourself, USE IT FOR THE PROGRESS and Not for DESTRUCTION.
RE:One Advice to RSS!!
by Vijay Iyengar on Nov 12, 2007 08:35 PM Permalink
the pot calls the kettle black! however the point is valid and hindu nationalists should focus on development and social upliftment to which the congress and left give only verbal support.
"There is no doubt in my mind that the extreme section of Hindu Mahasabha was involved in the conspiracy. The activities of the RSS constituted a clear threat to the existence of Government and State."
Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel in his letter of July 18, 1948 to Dr Shyama Prasad Mukherjee
"The speeches of the Sangh leaders are poisonous. It is a result of the venom that Mahatma Gandhi has been assassinated. The followers of the Sangh have celebrated Gandhiji's assassination by distributing sweets."
Sardar Patels letter to the Sarsanghchalak of RSS on 11 September 1948
RE:See what Sardar Patel has to say on RSS !!
by Srinand Kaushik on Nov 12, 2007 07:00 PM Permalink
Sardar Patel himself asked Sri Guruji to convince J&K Maharaja HariSingh to remain with India, and he did it. And I don't know where u got these scriptures from ...
People in IT are suppose to be free thinkers. They will not allow any ideology to be forced onto them. Every fanatic organization does not allow free thinking,debate and discussion.In any RSS Shakha the approach is 'One to Adress and rest all follow'. This approach will not work with the IT shakhas. At the most what it would do is creating the Hindu cyber terrorists just like those with the Jehadi outfits. Many RSS shakhas are getting closed down. They are not finding cadres as entire India is dwelling in a materialistic boom due to globalisation. RSS is a dead idelogy as it never changed with time and never allowed board spectrum in its strategy. Forget about muslims and christians,even the sikhs,buddhists,jain and dalits are not confidant about RSS.Its an organization dominted by Brahmins and upper caste hindus who belived in Brahmin supremacy and caste system . With more and more globalization,RSS would remain a myth.
RE:RSS is a Myth!!
by Chitra Devi on Nov 12, 2007 06:27 PM Permalink
Ismail, your perceptions are wrong. For example you are not a free thinker, some terrorist ideology making you to repeat the same words on this forum. (you repeated this for 5 times in this forum). You are the real example of fanatic. 'One to Adress and rest all follow' I saw in Islam prayers showed in TV and pictures, I don't know about RSS. Is the RSS Shakha fanatic like you or your terrorist ideology. Come out of it. Know all and think, then it will be free thinking.
RE:RSS is a Myth!!
by Srinand Kaushik on Nov 12, 2007 07:01 PM Permalink
There are some loopholes .. agreed, but how many muslims agree in public that there are as many loopholes...
RE:Appeal to RSS - Reconvert Musalmaans
by Cape Comorin on Nov 12, 2007 05:28 PM Permalink
What to do with millions of hindus living in western and gulf countries? Should they be given safe passage to India? Or should they be converted to the religion which is majority in those countries?
RE:Appeal to RSS - Reconvert Musalmaans
by Cape Comorin on Nov 12, 2007 05:48 PM Permalink
You are happy to say that christianity is dying in western countries. If I say that hinduism should die in India what will be your reaction? Your message shows that you know nothing about christianity. "if the conditions are ripe in India, the Hindus abroad should return" - You mean to say that the condition of gulf and western countries is now ripe for hindus?
RE:RE:Appeal to RSS - Reconvert Musalmaans
by hardtruths on Nov 12, 2007 06:08 PM Permalink
Christianity has preyed upon numerous cultures and religions in the past, and hence the victims are happy that its dying in its own heartland.
On the other hand, hinduism has encompassed all cultures and beliefs. Dont compare hinduism and christianity on the same benchmark... your argument itself is void ..
RE:RE:RE:Appeal to RSS - Reconvert Musalmaans
by Vaibhav Pradhan on Nov 12, 2007 08:19 PM Permalink
Cape Comorin,
You got so mush hatered in your heart. Your heart is full of hatered towards other religions. You need to do something about it. Please go to whatever place you like (Church, Mosque, Temple ) but get rid of this hatered. Open your eyes to the truth. If you say Hinduisam is outdated then I pity you and your knowledge. And I pray to lord Krishna to give you peace of mind.
RE:Appeal to RSS - Reconvert Musalmaans
by Chitra Devi on Nov 12, 2007 05:39 PM Permalink
Do you think the Hindus in Gulf or other countries are converting people? Thats too by giving money or job or by cheating or by terroring them? Or are they spreading terrorism like christians do in North eastern states and Muslims do everywhere?
RE:Appeal to RSS - Reconvert Musalmaans
by bqrb on Nov 12, 2007 05:44 PM Permalink
Shivkumarji, you revert to Islam, every newborn is a monothiest,believes in oneness of God.
No newborn is sent to this world by God with idols or images of god. All these images are false and of false gods, created wilfully by man and followed, because of ancestors beleifs.
Do you think if you leave a newborn is left alone without environmental and external influences, will he make an idol of god as we see today, no, he will not.
So think the other way round and follow the way of God for mankind and that is Islam.
RE:RE:Appeal to RSS - Reconvert Musalmaans
by hardtruths on Nov 12, 2007 06:10 PM Permalink
All newborns are sent through a mother's womb. In that aspect, a mother is half god, as she conceives, nourishes a child for almost 10 months. Hence, people rever their parents, and worship them..
But these kinds of great virtues are not understood by the barbarians, who know only to cut the throat in the name of allah..
RE:RE:RE:Appeal to RSS - Reconvert Musalmaans
by bqrb on Nov 12, 2007 06:28 PM Permalink
A mother is a mother, she is not half God. There's no concept of splitting Gods or assigning partners to God.
Status of mother is great , that one would find paradise under her feet, her staus is three times greater than that of father.
A true muslim would not kill unjustly because "..Whoso slays a soul not to retaliate for a soul slain, nor for corruption done in the land, should be as if he had slain mankind altogether." (5:32)
As for slaughter of animals for food and not for fun or game, is acceptable.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Appeal to RSS - Reconvert Musalmaans
by Chitra Devi on Nov 12, 2007 07:20 PM Permalink
Hi BQRB, you are telling "A true muslim would not kill unjustly". are you saying the Islam terrorists are not true muslims? Then why you people are supporting them instead of opposing them. If there is no support, do you think, terrorism will take place? On the other hand the terrorists are saying that they are true muslims and they are doing Jihad. Who's statement is correct?
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Appeal to RSS - Reconvert Musalmaans
by bqrb on Nov 12, 2007 08:47 PM Permalink
You are genralizing when u say " you people", which is wrong. Islam is being hijacked by few extremists and rest of the story is of power and resources politics of the world powers. The so called jehadis are used.. Who created them?
RE:RE:Appeal to RSS - Reconvert Musalmaans
by Chitra Devi on Nov 12, 2007 07:27 PM Permalink
Yes, a newborn will not make an idol without the environment. But he/she will pray the nature (Sun, wind, earth, tree, mountain, river etc as god). It's natural tendancy and that's Hinduism. Do you think will they pray Allah?
RE:RE:RE:Appeal to RSS - Reconvert Musalmaans
by bqrb on Nov 12, 2007 08:37 PM Permalink
Chitra, why worship the created (nature). Worship the Creator.
Un-influenced new born will not worship nature, whereas the nature will point to the Creator. Will not a simple sculpture point to the sculptor? Then what about this wonderful universe.... Each new soul has the God given wisdom to worship One God. When the One God can provide him the senses of survival, do you think he did not provide him the sense of worship...
RE:RE:RE:RE:Appeal to RSS - Reconvert Musalmaans
by Chitra Devi on Nov 13, 2007 01:11 PM Permalink
Hi bqrb, your statement is illogic. I answered your question. a new born, without any external influance will pray the nature as god. That is the realistic. And nature itself is GOD. Your understanding about God is wrong. Ok tell me where Allah sit and creates nature? Oh illitrate bqrb, I will give an example. For your parents you are a son, for your brother and sister you are a brother, for your wife you are a husband, for your child you are a father and so on. For each of them, are you different? You are the only one but called by different ways and forms by others. So the One GOD is not Allah alone. The GOD is in the form of RAMA, Krishna, Sivan, even mountain, river, tree etc. Understand GOD, don't be fanatic.
RE:RE:RE:Appeal to RSS - Reconvert Musalmaans
by bqrb on Nov 12, 2007 08:43 PM Permalink
DEar AllamPallam, mohammed is human, he never claimed to be anything but human. Since your basic knowledge of Islam is deficient, no point in continuing further..
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Appeal to RSS - Reconvert Musalmaans
by RRRChola on Nov 12, 2007 11:23 PM Permalink
U demeaning your adversary by mocking his name, shows the shallowness of your character..
I have a very big doubt on this Majority and minority concept. India is secular state. In a secular state, the devision should be seculars and non seculars. how can a Hindu is Majority and Muslim & Christian is Minority? Is the Indian govenment means Hindus are seculars and Muslim and Christians are non secular or communal! and in a secular state how could be a law based on religion, it should be common law. Can anybody clarify me. Thanks in advance.
RE:Who is Majority & Minority
by Die Hard on Nov 13, 2007 04:25 AM Permalink
In India Brahmin/Bania are minorities and the rest are the majorities. India is a secular state since majority (Non- Brahmin/Bania) of Indians are secular
RE:Who is Majority & Minority
by Chitra Devi on Nov 12, 2007 05:43 PM Permalink
So you mean Nehru and his followers (Congress) and Communists mean Hindus as Secular and Muslim, Christian as Communal, right? Now I understand why Congress and communists are called as psudo secularists.
RE:Who is Majority & Minority
by hardtruths on Nov 12, 2007 06:13 PM Permalink
secularism is a western concept, where the government stepped in to control the powers of church. Its a known history that the church ran parallel government in a number of countries by mental enslavement of people, and by utilising this power, they created great havoc.
But in hinduism, this is not the case. Its all about the duty of every individual towards the society.
In India, secularism is a tool introduced by the christians to suppress the support of government to the majority hindu religion..
We know the meaning of secularism well.. first you understand
RE:RE:Who is Majority & Minority
by Cape Comorin on Nov 12, 2007 06:21 PM Permalink
I understood you guys are pretending that whatever comes from the west is unacceptable but on the otherhand do not miss the chance to fly over to the west for good pasteurs.
RE:Who is Majority & Minority
by Cape Comorin on Nov 12, 2007 05:40 PM Permalink
The concept of secularism in the constitution is the biggest hurdle for saffron forces. This is the reason why the saffron gang is allergic to this term.
RE:RE:Who is Majority & Minority
by Chitra Devi on Nov 12, 2007 05:46 PM Permalink
Let it be. But why don't you explain me the concept of secularism in the constitution and what it exactly means and why the biforcation based on religion on a secular state?
RE:Who is Majority & Minority
by Cape Comorin on Nov 12, 2007 05:56 PM Permalink
Secularism means there is no official religion. Every individual is free to preach and practise the religion of his choice. I don't what you mean by bifurcation based on religion.
RE:Who is Majority & Minority
by Vaibhav Pradhan on Nov 12, 2007 08:23 PM Permalink
Cape Comorin,
The VERY concept of secularism is alian to India. It is brought by people who didn't have culture of respecting other religion. Hindus, by nature and by culture have trated all other religions respectfully and hence there is no need to have secularism defined explicitly in India. Moreover, secularism means treating all religions equally. So, on this account also, its big fraud in India on part of pseudo seculaers like you.
RE:Who is Majority & Minority
by Chitra Devi on Nov 12, 2007 06:41 PM Permalink
Are the safeguards given to minority (Hindus) in Kashmir against Muslim Majorities and Christian Majority in North Eastern states? Why in secular state it's not given to them, Is it because they are Hindus? So if Muslim and Christian become majority then there will not be any safeguard. So you mean the secularism will be there till the Hindus are more in number. I think there is some meaning on Saffron gang's hue and cry about safeguards. The interpretation of secularism or implimentation of Secularism is totally wrong or it's only against Hinduism. This what I understand from your words.
RE:Who is Majority & Minority
by Cape Comorin on Nov 12, 2007 06:19 PM Permalink
There are some safeguards given to people who are in minority following some religions like islam, christianity,sikkhism,etc. These safeguards are only for protecting the minority anticipating some fanatic forces emanating from the majority to attack minority. Secularism as given in dictionary is different from what it is described in constitution. The thing is saffron gang is making hue and cry about the safeguards. Think about a family where the youngest one is given some safeguard by his parents because the eldest is mightier to suppress the youngest one. I hope you got the point.
RE:Who is Majority & Minority
by Chitra Devi on Nov 12, 2007 06:14 PM Permalink
Sorry sir, Please check the meaning of Secularism in the oxford dictionary. How can be a bifurcation (majority & minority) based on religion at the secular state?
RE:RSS is a Myth!!
by praveen on Nov 12, 2007 04:02 PM Permalink
True.. RSS is a dead ideology but still its spreading through every nook and corner of India.
RE:RSS is a Myth!!
by Harikrishnan J on Nov 12, 2007 03:51 PM Permalink
Dear Mr. Ismail Sayyed. It would easy for you to pass comments from outside. I have been a regular IT Milan swayamsewak. If you want to know freedom & level of intellectual debate we have do attend a Milan & see for yourself. Things like upper caste Brahminical domination are the usual cliched arguments given by any anti-RSS writer. Don't you have anything new? For your information, IT Milans are growing astronomically. It is being started in other places like Chennai, Pune & Hyderabad due to the interest of young people in IT field in the cities. Join the IT Milan Orkut community for more information.
RE:RSS is a Myth!!
by Imran on Nov 12, 2007 04:03 PM Permalink
Dude in the open these milans might look harmless but all these meetings are a deep seated strategy to fool the people and divide them based on religion. Age agey dekhiya hota hain kya.
RE:RSS is a Myth!!
by praveen on Nov 12, 2007 04:10 PM Permalink
Very well said Imran... A man can see and tell what he does and believes in. What you told is what your Maulvis and Clerics does in the closed doors inside the Masjids.
RE:RSS is a Myth!!
by Imran on Nov 12, 2007 04:19 PM Permalink
Praveen I%u2019m not a follower of any cleric nor mullah people who follow others don%u2019t leave their own footprints.
RE:RSS is a Myth!!
by sridhar gorantla on Nov 12, 2007 04:15 PM Permalink
Good to hear that IT people are discussing about the Hinduism and its values that are based on the vedic spiritual treasures. I suggest you folks to read the book "Autobiography of a Yogi" by Paramahamsa Yogananda. Its freely aailable on the internet if you want to, and you search by the book title and you get it from crystal clarity web site. Its easy to find the book online as well as published version, whcih is published in English, chinese, French, spanish, German, Arabic, most of major world languages and indian languages as well. It had received acclaims from all over the world media and individuals
This is a must for every human being, since after all, all humans and even every individuality in this world is part and parcel of the ALL PERVADING DIVINITY.
Read this book and you will understand that India, with its magnanimous spiritual knowledge, is able to produce Lord Krishna OR Lord Christ like saints in every generation, silently without any show-off, while rest of the world had seen only very few of the saints of such stature.
This also gives eeryone, a very profound knowledge of what Indian spiritual treasures are, and this this book gives it in the modern scientifice way, and satisfies a normal modern scientist as well. We donot need to accept anything blindly, but if we cannot even be able to test something, thsi is worse than accepting something blindly.
Good lick. I will try to get on to these orkut groups and see what people do there as well.
RE:RSS is a Myth!!
by manoj biswal on Nov 12, 2007 05:38 PM Permalink
Dear Ismail Sayyed, 1) As you have written People in IT are supposed to be free thinker. I am very much agree with this, They shall be free thinker. But I do not agree that for this reason they shall not join any oraganization or follow any ideology. Like although we are giving prestige to humanity still we are more proude when we are telling that we are Indian. 2) As you mestion that RSS Shakha the approach is 'One to Adress and rest all follow', I have been there few times, But never found any thing like you are telling. People are here accepting all your ideas. Better if you also come once or twice and I am very much sure you will be surprized by there character and attitude. 3) I am not at all agree with this "Hindu cyber terrorists". Because anyone who is interested in HINDU can not think about terrirism, because the basics of Hindu is "The Whole world is a family". And if you search you can see the number of social work the RSS people are doing. 4) Regarding RSS shakhas are getting closed, I do not agree also. It's number is increasing and increasing. more and more people are coming to the fromt to serve the society through RSS. You can check this one also. 5) This RSS ideology is spreading around the globes more due to Globalization. 6) We are telling the other name of Hindu is "SANATAN", that means the community which changed as per the situation and at the same time for society. So the Organization who follow HINDUSIM strictly never be dead. If it is dead th
RE:Appeal to RSS - Reconvert Musalmaans
by Ismail Sayyed on Nov 12, 2007 03:47 PM Permalink
Shiv Kumar Singh is a Paki founded by ISI to spread hatred among Hindus.. So that most Muslim can be used as terrorist!!! Stop commenting on His lies!! We all know wht is happening in Pakistan ... When they went ahead with Hate India campaign ... Mukherjee is being deputed by ISI to replicate Pakistani model in india!!! Shiv Kumar Singh post should be reported as abuse
UNDERSTAND ORIGINAL CASTE SYSTEM CLEARLY AS BELOW, THEN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND HOW IT WAS MISUSED IN PAST AND THEN YOU CAN EFFECTIVELY FIGHT AGAINST IT. IF YOU NOT KNOW WHERE IT WENT WRONG HOW CAN CORRECT IT.
The origin of the caste system, formulated by the great legislator Manu, was admirable. He saw clearly that men are distinguished by natural evolution into four great classes: those capable of offering service to society through their bodily labor ( Sudras); those who serve through mentality, skill, agriculture, trade, commerce, business life in general (Vaisyas); those whose talents are administrative, executive, and protective%u2014rulers and warriors ( Kshatriyas); those of contemplative nature, spiritually inspired and inspiring (Brahmins). "Neither birth nor sacraments nor study nor ancestry can decide whether a person is twice-born (ie, a Brahmin);" the Mahabharata declares, "character and conduct only can decide."Manu instructed society to show respect to its members insofar as they possessed wisdom, virtue, age, kinship or, lastly, wealth.
Riches in Vedic India were always despised if they were hoarded or unavailable for charitable purposes. Ungenerous men of great wealth were assigned a low rank in society.
"Inclusion in one of these four castes originally depended not on a man's birth but on his natural capacities as demonstrated by the goal in life he elected to achieve," an article in East-West for January, 1935, tells us.
RE:Original Caste system s based on Character exists in every society
by sridhar gorantla on Nov 12, 2007 03:35 PM Permalink
Social reformers like Gandhi and the members of very numerous societies in India today are making slow but sure progress in restoring the ancient values of caste, based solely on natural qualification and not on birth. Every nation on earth has its own distinctive misery-producing karma to deal with and remove; India, too, with her versatile and invulnerable spirit, shall prove herself equal to the task of caste-reformation.
"To a certain extent, all races and nations observe in practice, if not in theory, the features of caste. Where there is great license or so-called liberty, particularly in intermarriage between extremes in the natural castes, the race dwindles away and becomes extinct. The Purana Samhita compares the offspring of such unions to barren hybrids, like the mule which is incapable of propagation of its own species. Artificial species are eventually exterminated. History offers abundant proof of numerous great races which no longer have any living representatives. The caste system of India is credited by her most profound thinkers with being the check or preventive against license which has preserved the purity of the race and brought it safely through millenniums of vicissitudes, while other races have vanished in oblivion."
THIS ABOVE EXPLANATION IS FROM WORLD FAMOUS BOOK "AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF A YOGI" by Sri SWAMI PARAMAHAMSA YOGANANDA.
RE:Original Caste system s based on Character exists in every society
by nadiminti reddy on Nov 12, 2007 05:05 PM Permalink
The posting is really good (it's a fact), we have to appreciate this.
RE:Original Caste system s based on Character exists in every society
by sridhar gorantla on Nov 12, 2007 05:15 PM Permalink
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RE:Original Caste system s based on Character exists in every society
by sridhar gorantla on Nov 12, 2007 05:39 PM Permalink
Dont you have common sense to see and understand that in the posting, Swami Paramahamsa acknowledging that serious mistakes had been committed by some people by way of misusing the caste system.
If we ourselves are accepting that there were mistakes done, and we are on our way to correct the mistakes, which is what India is doing, then, why do you comment just for the sake of commenting by using the words "cover up" etc crap.
Be sensible and be open brother. No hard feelings. Your writings may help others develop hatred, which you will be responsible anyway.
RE:Original Caste system s based on Character exists in every society
by Cape Comorin on Nov 12, 2007 06:07 PM Permalink
Your writings are the attempts to coverup what venom is in manusmriti. The origin of casteism is manusmiriti. No doubt about it.
RE:Original Caste system s based on Character exists in every society
by sridhar gorantla on Nov 12, 2007 03:35 PM Permalink
"Inclusion in one of these four castes originally depended not on a man's birth but on his natural capacities as demonstrated by the goal in life he elected to achieve," an article in East-West for January, 1935, tells us. "This goal could be (1) kama, desire, activity of the life of the senses (Sudra stage), (2) artha, gain, fulfilling but controlling the desires (Vaisya stage), (3) dharma, self-discipline, the life of responsibility and right action (Kshatriya stage), (4) moksha, liberation, the life of spirituality and religious teaching (Brahmin stage). These four castes render service to humanity by (1) body, (2) mind, (3) will power, (4) Spirit. "These four stages have their correspondence in the eternal gunas or qualities of nature, tamas, rajas, and sattva: obstruction, activity, and expansion; or, mass, energy, and intelligence. The four natural castes are marked by the gunas as (1) tamas (ignorance), (2) tamas-rajas (mixture of ignorance and activity), (3) rajas-sattva (mixture of right activity and enlightenment), (4) sattva (enlightenment). Thus has nature marked every man with his caste, by the predominance in himself of one, or the mixture of two, of the gunas. Of course every human being has all three gunas in varying proportions. The guru will be able rightly to determine a man's caste or evolutionary status.
Serious evils arose when the caste system became hardened through the centuries into a hereditary halter.
First of all, what is GOD OR ALLAH OR PARAMATMA OR HEAVENLY FATHER.
God (or refer to it by your own name as per thetendency of your mind) is defined as something that is all pervading in this creation and as well as beyond the creation.
But if you look from an individual persons perspective, in the initial stages one sees GOD as remotely located superior thing and will have a feel thatt his superior thing may be controlling things that are far beyond the comprehension of the self. In the intermidiary stages, the same individual perceives the GOD as superior and the individual sees self as part and parcel of the divintiy as well as will have the perception that the GOD is all pervading including in self and in everyone and in everywhere. Now, in the advanced or final stages, the same individuality doesnot have any feeling or perception of self as an individuality but as an all PERVADING DIVINITY that exists within and beyond the creation.
Its like, if you look from bottom of the building, you donot have a complete picture of what your visibility is, but as you progress up and up the building, you will get more and more visibility and at the peak point, you will have an omnipresent view. Divinity is also same.
RE:Dear Imran: This is for you
by sridhar gorantla on Nov 12, 2007 03:20 PM Permalink
CONTINUED FROM ABOVE: Its like, if you look from bottom of the building, you donot have a complete picture of what your visibility is, but as you progress up and up the building, you will get more and more visibility and at the peak point, you will have an omnipresent view. Divinity is also same. The secret to this realization is to calm down the mind and body, which is what the CORE ESSENCE of every religions is. When you do namaz or when you do bhajan or when you just sit calmly or when you are doing prayers or when you do yoga or meditation, the mind will be in calm state relative to other times and in this calm state, we see solutions to many problems, and if you progress to such highers states of calming the mind, then the truth gets revealed very clearly, that you will rely on your intuition rather than any external material or mind level objective things to guide you towards the divinity.
