I have decided niether to view or write in these columns as I feel the this board has been hijacked by Hardliners & bigots of all religions to vent their petty belief & convictions. By associating with them I will be lowering myself to the same level. Goodbye
RE:No more discussion
by rangdebasanti on Nov 09, 2007 04:12 PM Permalink
the people here are very very passionate about the nation. these people are not hypocrites like you. don't come back to show your hyena face here.
RE:No more discussion
by satya s on Nov 09, 2007 06:58 PM Permalink
ignore these idiots.THEY DON'T HAVE A BRIGHT FUTURE
in the coming years , they are going to see the OBC wave conquer them all and reduce BJP into a spokesman for brahmins alone.then their voice is not going to be heard ever again. ROFL!
RE:No more discussion
by rohini patil on Nov 09, 2007 08:31 PM Permalink
Satya, It is the OBC's who vote for BJP. Go ask any obc due they have any love for muslims ?are they comfortable with increase in muslim polulation ? are they comfortable with congress pamparing muslim(few obc vote for congress for different reason and congreesy muslim appesment is certainly not the reason they due for.)Are obc comfertable staying in musim area ?I am sure you will get negetive answer for all.
RE:No more discussion
by sameer on Nov 10, 2007 01:20 PM Permalink
I only wish that muslims get treated fairly in Karnataka.If not muslims wud see more blast in thier MOSQUES and DARGAHS and their wont be a HINDU group taking reponsiblity for definitly muslims dont blast their mosque
RE:No more discussion
by manikandan on Nov 09, 2007 04:03 PM Permalink
thank you so much for getting out from here..mr.ebby..we are here to safeguard the interest of the majority of the people...so please get out..
RE:No more discussion
by sss on Nov 09, 2007 04:16 PM Permalink
Thank u for leaving.In any country the majority will be protected first or atleast they should be treated as equals with minorities,but here the minority is taking away a larger portion of the cake(Thanks to pseudo secularists)This is the issue and the reason why people are becoming hardliners
RE:No more discussion
by satya s on Nov 09, 2007 06:55 PM Permalink
who is the "majority"?
a democracy is about "politcal majority".
not a sectarian majority. do you communal cretins understand the difference?
communalists like the sangh and its supporters are always only a section of any scoiety. i challenge the BJP to touch 30% of the votesin any general eelction. its not going to happen for the next milenium.
This article is biased in its very conceptual.. As though all other parties are secular, this article is completely against BJP..
Particularly, there is no justification for the muslims to oppose raising indian national flag at idgah maidan.. the issue is completely justifiable for the BJP.. they are also indians right..
Secondly, the familiar concept of "appease muslims, if you are secular" is again reminded in this article.
RE:This article is biased
by ebby on Nov 09, 2007 02:36 PM Permalink
In my house myself and my family celeberate Independence Day & Republic day with all fervour & patriotism along with invited friends & guests. That doesnt mean that I will allow all & sundry on the street to enter my compound and do the same. Nor will any right minded citizen allow it.
RE:This article is biased
by Vinaya Das on Nov 09, 2007 11:56 AM Permalink
The objection to raising of the national flag at the idgah maidan has to be seen in its correct perspective.The maidan is the largest open space in that area and some communal minded Hindus do not like Muslims to have control of such a large piece of land hence this stunt of raising the flag there.National flag cannot be raised by the public on private property without the consent of the owners. How would the RSS like if someone insisted on raising the national flag on their Headquartes in Nagpur? The trouble with us is that we jump to conclusion and take a biased view instead of analysing and understanding a problem created by communal and other anti national forces.
RE:This article is biased
by bharat on Nov 09, 2007 01:04 PM Permalink
Vinaya das, are you so stupid to believe in india to hoist national fag anywhere with full respect in indipendance day or republiday required someones permission.
RE:This article is biased
by someone on Nov 09, 2007 02:13 PM Permalink
Hellow Madam, The ground was not a private property, it is a govt property whereby muslims were given permission to conduct namaz on certain days in a year.
The judgment of the High Court may be summarised as follows:
The Idgah Maidan is not the exclusive property of the Anjuman-e-Islam but belongs to what was by then the Hubli-Dharwad Municipal Corporation.
The Maidan was licensed to the Anjuman for purely religious purposes, that is, to offer prayers on two days in the years, the Bakrid and the Ramzaan.
The Anjuman may not use the property for any educational or commercial purpose.
The permanent structures already erected by the Anjuman may be demolished within 45 days.
The public (inclusive of the Muslim community) has no customary rights of the user on the property. Following this judgment, the Anjuman made a Special Leave Petition to the Supreme Court to appeal against the above judgment and sought a stay order against the demolition of the permanent structures. The stay was granted
Yes, you are liable to labeled as communal in this country if you - 1) Do not appease minorities through reservations, special laws, subsidies and provisions 2) Denounce Islamic terrorism 3) Oppose conversions 4) Do not attack Hindu customs 5) Do not allow insult to Hindu Gods and religious practices. 6) Talk of genuine Hindu interests 7) Condemn unethical practices followed by Muslim and Christian clergy 8) Do not support illegal infiltration of Bangladeshis in India. 9) Support Uniform Civil Code 10) Do not form association with secular outfits like Muslim League and Ittehad-ul Muslimeen 11) Take up the cause of Kashmiri Pundits
BJP satisfies these conditions and hence qualifies to be called communal
RE:Media..will make you mad ya...Stupid goons...
by JGN on Nov 09, 2007 11:50 AM Permalink
hi, manikandan, are you working at Kovai for an alt mfgr? If so let me know. Seems I know you personally.
RE:Media..will make you mad ya...Stupid goons...
by apurva singh on Nov 09, 2007 02:12 PM Permalink
sure he will let youknow if you can use the name your parents gave to you. unless you are ashamed of it.
RE:Media..will make you mad ya...Stupid goons...
by Aravind Raman on Nov 09, 2007 12:47 PM Permalink
Well articulated Manikandan! I agree with your views 100%. There is lot of currency for pseudo-secularists these days!
Although Christians are the first and most vocal to demand minority rights and alleged supposed human rights violations, how many christians participated in the freedom movement? missionaries and other church institutions have usurped millions of acres of land for useless purposes of setting up churches or institutions for conversion. if they care about humanity, they should free this land for poor dalits and landless tribals instead of misguiding and converting them. they will remain poor as long as missionaries keep on eating their share and become grosser
RE:have some humanity
by Lancy Menezes on Nov 09, 2007 12:51 PM Permalink
Dear Pappad, ..You are just crossing lanes when I relate your comment to the article. Here we are talking about communal harmony (between hindus and muslims) in karnataka. Well, christians have always been the most peaceful minority community of India, but the one which is very dedicated in bringing the right education to everyone, medical centers for the public and many more things. Just peep into the many christian run schools all over India, u find 85 to 90 percent of non - christian students. All land and property under christian custody for all this good purpose is rightfully leased and owned by the chrisian authorities. This allegation of conversions is absolutely baseless, christian missionaries are out to help the poor...we don't ask or force them to accept and embrace christianity. Yes though in small numbers, there were christians involved in the Indian freedom movement. ..Yes dalits have been surpressed for a long time but now yes you see in most government and semi - government organisations all job positions are held by dalit men and women. But, today if you give everything to the dalit community you will give birth to many more dalit like communities. Let them now get things on merit basis. Finally, lets come to the punchline please try and be sane when you write something like this without evidence..just don't list to idiots around and write things to hurt sentiments of the community which spreads love and peace and unity.
RE:have some humanity
by Lijjat Papad on Nov 09, 2007 08:12 PM Permalink
christians are the most violent community even islam pales in comparison, what love and unity can they preach?
RE:have some humanity
by jai on Nov 09, 2007 01:14 PM Permalink
if we were so fanatic hindus BJP would have come to power long time back.thank god that lijjat papads are only few in number
RE:RE:have some humanity
by manikandan on Nov 09, 2007 04:21 PM Permalink
jai you are not fanatic but i can call you a dumb guy...for not knowing your religion and culture as well as rich tradition which is making this a proud land..Bharat..
you shud be ashamed..of not brining BJP in to power...
RE:have some humanity
by Sebastian Dsilva on Nov 09, 2007 12:32 PM Permalink
1. christians have not acquired land for useless purpose or illegally. All land or property are purchased by the community. 2. besides not only dalits, hindus of all caste & creed are seeking education from these schools. 3. Personally visit any of the institution & see if they request you for conversion, gossip is very simple. 4. In all way I hope atleast you should agree that they are doing good to society except your agitation of conversion. to fight for minority rights in a democratic way is not wrong. If muslims do somethings you call them terrorists.
RE:have some humanity
by manikandan on Nov 09, 2007 04:17 PM Permalink
Mr..sebastin dsilva..my beloved coward convert from hindu...
here is the explainantion father in church call the assemblers as'sinners' becouse these people still carry the tag of 'original sin' committed by adam and eve of not obeying father god and ate forbitten fruit from fig tree at heaven.suprised these poor hindus for sake of getting some money prefers to be called as ''sinners'in churchs and pray to the 'jealous god'put in cross bleeding with blood to wash the sins of these people.chirstianity is the fraud commercial religion.people who believe jesus will be sent to heaven and people who do not believe will be sent to permanent hell.people who believe jesus and committ sins and not bapitised will be sent to a place called 'limbo'near hell awaiting for second coming of jesus grace.people who believe jesus and bapitised but committed sins will be sent to a place called ''purgatory'an intermediate place for further refining and purification before sending to heaven.is it not a good joke? only last year children below 7 years not bapitised before the birth of jesus 2100 years ago were sent from 'limbo' to heaven by present pope in a extraordinary meeting at vatigan. present pope denied the earlier version of st.thomas visit to south india but said st.thomas visited only up to west punjab.this truth invited trouble for present pope from indian chirstians who protested.chirstianity is the curse to the society without any sprituality but commercial group of
RE:RE:have some humanity
by manikandan on Nov 09, 2007 04:19 PM Permalink
ofcourse..how did you purchase the land...the money came fromyour jesus's cash box...
Its all money coming from the majority hindus who are donating for a good cause...and you buggers build your churhces so easily with that money... and with the same money you guys are indulging in conversion.. i can prove you millions of dollars are coming from missionaries abroad..to convert poor and innocnet hindus...and esp dalit..
you guys arre juts cowards and nothing else... proveme wrong...
RE:have some humanity
by jai on Nov 09, 2007 12:27 PM Permalink
weindians have suppressed dalits for 10000 years in the name of caste , we shud be ashamed of ourselves
RE:smallest & greatest measurement of time by India
by stav on Nov 09, 2007 01:40 PM Permalink
your yugas have wrong scale kali yuga is 1200 yrs, dwapara is 2400, treta is 3600 and satya is 4800, one yuga cycle is 12,000 years.
the kind of donations mother teresa received were sufficient to turn every clinic in kolkata into having five star facilities. where did all that money go? even her missionaries of charity had pedestrian facilities. mother teresa herself took treatment for minor ailments in lavish foreign hospitals. why do catholics always call on followers to donate more and more when the pope lives in opulence that even many rich cannot dream of?
RE:what hypocrisy
by jai on Nov 09, 2007 12:33 PM Permalink
hey lijjat why dont u go to calcutta and treat the lepers there, i think u will fall down unconscious when ugo near them itself
RE:what hypocrisy
by manikandan on Nov 09, 2007 04:08 PM Permalink
jai being a dalit who is stoping you from progressing..you start using ur brain fool..nobody can stop you from using..ofcourse if you have one...
you mean to say for 10000 years you were suppressed???hahahahhaha little knowledgeis too dangerous than not having....like inyour case
RE:what hypocrisy
by Lancy Menezes on Nov 09, 2007 01:06 PM Permalink
Yes Pappad ..Believe you haven't been to West Bengal so far...please don't reveal your identity and don't tell the Bengalees that you once wrote this article against Mother Theresa....or else Bengalees would keep you in West Bengal for ever. I did not say the christian bengalees. Mother Theresa in her self she is a legend she did more to make and keep herself tall then her physical stature. All communities respect the work done by Mother Theresa and she will respected for ever. Oh Mother took medical aid in lavish foreign hospitals..who paid the bills? is it you or the institution for which Mother stood. No bills were paid for the medical treatment she received ..in the European and Western world but her followers sponsored everything for her and the institution which she was heading. Pope is the leader of the christian community and the bond for the intact peace in this world...show me your gurus or religious heads who are living in the streets and hutments. When your favorite politians get so much of security and enjoy pomp life in the society..then the POPE is surely entitled for more. He is our spiritual head ..leads the community which believes in peace,love and harmony and follows truth of life.
They seem to have vested interests in making we Indians, not live in unity and harmony. Hence marking our posts as abusive, so these posts are hidden. buy if you click the show abusive posts in the bottom of the page, you can see everything except some posts which are completely abusive etc.
RE:Dear jai:
by deep dar on Nov 09, 2007 10:49 AM Permalink
There was an article in TOI some days ago. Basically, it was about a survey carried out in various countries to estimate the extent of religious devotion amongst the people in various countries. The survey found that people in US, India and a few other countries were highly religious. Most people in Europe were not religious. The article sought to portray that with the exception of USA, all developed countries aren't religious. What the article missed (or rather omitted conveniently) was the aggressions by Muslims and Britishers on India, which has impoverished India.
RE:RE:Dear jai:
by deep dar on Nov 09, 2007 10:50 AM Permalink
Even APJ Abdul Kalam quotes from the Gita regularly! He is even participating in a conference on science & spirituality in Tirupati in Dec. He has never quoted anything from Quran!!! Like a wise Muslim!
RE:Dear jai:
by bullseye on Nov 09, 2007 11:43 AM Permalink
deep dar, dr.abdul kalam knows even tamil verses of nalayathu divyaprabandam of ahzwars song in glory of lord narayana and knows bagawath geetha and other slogas and lover of carnatic music ect and he was called as kalam iyer and takes only vegitarian food. that is why even VHP is ready to agree for dr.kalam to head for the panel of committee on ram sethu samudram project as they know dr.kalam being the native of rameswarm town of sethu,is the honest judge to decide about this issue. hence goons karunanidhi and vatigan lady sonia did not agree to the nomination of dr.kalam for second time.dr.kalam gets respect by love from all walks of people and thanks to bjp/vajpayee,we got dr.kalam as president of best choice after dr.rajendra prasath.
1. The congress-sponsored goons attack Muslims and Christians. 2. The pseudo press is there at the right place at the right time (one wonders how?) to capture the image of a man with tika attacking someone. 3. BJP & VHP get a bad press the next day 4. Common man believes the news. 5. The foreign media follows suit. What have they got to loose? They (USA/Britain) are known to be troublemakers. 6. The hip and educated crowd in India follows what the foreigners have to say. After all, you will not be called hip if you do not ape the west?
And above all!! When hindus get killed in Kashmir or NE (pretty much on a daily basis), the press conveniently looks the other way.
