Journalism is reaching a new low in India. With numerous news channels vying for viewship,news has to be packaged and 'sold' like a commodity. Tehelka expose is only a matter of making money rather than shedding tears for the riot affected people. The timing of the so-called expose is itself an expose of their dubious intentions. Their earlier 'expose' of Army deals looked so 'cooked-up' that I wonder whether they are journalists or sensationalists. I feel that 'journalism' is the casualty in this commercialisation of news channels where news is sold to viewers. It is time for the serious and real journalism to stand-up and distinguish themselves because its the media and Judiciary thyat are the hopes of the hapless people of this country, where the political class and the beuracracy have lost peoples' trust.
Being development friendly, will not wipe off the blood stains from hand... on the other hand being "secular" can also beatify any monster... The society and its "expression" - media should take it a point to be unbiased in the fight against injustice
RE:Being development freindly will not wipe off the stains of blood from hand
by RAMESH MENON on Nov 07, 2007 04:04 PM Permalink
What unbiased? They have already found the Hindus guilty for the train burning incident...they deserved it...they did it themseleves ..and so on...so where is the "unbiased" part?
RE:Being development freindly will not wipe off the stains of blood from hand
by Kakes on Nov 07, 2007 04:10 PM Permalink
i agree with you Ramesh, I just happened to complete reading the transcript of Tehelka expose and the way the article on Godhra carnage is being scripted, it was indicating that "Karsevaks" provocated by trying to "abduct" a girl and they just deserve the death... they even choose the believe the girl's version and pooh poohed all the testification of other "witnesses"
RE:Being development freindly will not wipe off the stains of blood from hand
by rajesh on Nov 07, 2007 04:09 PM Permalink
Kakes : Why not talk about the Sikh Massacre by Congress Goons in 1984 also ?. Killing innocent people is wrong - whoever does it - isn't it ?. Or do you think it does not matter if Congress does it ?..
RE:RE:Being development freindly will not wipe off the stains of blood from hand
by Kakes on Nov 07, 2007 04:14 PM Permalink
i think my point was never understood... i am also putting forth the same point.. projecting the need for equity in coverage... every act of terror is to be condemned... sangh or bjp or communists... majority, or minority... whoever..
Mahesh, you made a very good point here.I'll post your exact question here "Do we need to see even the most despicable things that happen around us through a prism of caste, creed, religion, political parties, competition, business, sex, region, and so on?"...the answer to your question is "We Do". I know you must be thinking how proud I feel saying that,but I am not. Its disgusting to admit that their are some among us who dont mind a person being murdered, a girl being raped ,a child being molested, a person being burnt alive because he/she does not belong to their religion,caste or whatever that could separate them from each other. Being a Hindu i would have been proud to say that we hindus dont act like terrorists, we dont kill people,we dont rape girls but no,i cant say that anymore. To give an example, I hope you ,me and everyone else looks at the messages posted here. People are proud and ready to justify this massacre because it was done to keep "the muslims" in check,to tell them where they actually belong, who's country this actually is. How can we say we are a society which respects a fellow human. People want to cite examples of massacres done by muslims kings hundreds of years ago, fine if that justifies their philosophy of killing a fellow countrymen, what can i say. And thanks to all those who would start hurling abuses at me now.I dont want to belong in your category.
RE:Fair Question
by SAJID HUSSAIN on Nov 07, 2007 04:17 PM Permalink
I agree with your views. I at times stunned by the responses in rediff. It is true we have lost empathy for fellow human beings and try to justify any crime. This will change atleat in part if the Judiciary gives Judgement fast like they do for some political cases (like the TN Bandh case where they Judge sat even on a sunday!) why dont they do this for communal riots?
RE:Fair Question
by S S on Nov 07, 2007 04:03 PM Permalink
it dosent matter what my views are Imran, if one person was killed it was fine,but when 2000 people are massacred and we as Indians dont even want to take notice of it,that puts me to shame.
RE:Fair Question
by Imran on Nov 07, 2007 04:07 PM Permalink
My point is also the same if the real culprits were killed in the riots I wouldn%u2019t have minded but only innocent people were killed what was their fault. People are muslims or hindus just bcoz they are born into hindu and muslim families.
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by Mohandaskarmchand gandhi on Nov 07, 2007 04:13 PM Permalink
I would put my views this way. The massacre happenning in kashmir is a part of cross border terrorism. So its a international problem. It could have been a debate during election if the kashmiri pundits were replaced by so called "minorities".
RE:Fair Question
by RAMESH MENON on Nov 07, 2007 04:05 PM Permalink
can you condemn the al qaeda, the terrorists in Iraq, or in Afghanistan ...forget it just in India...WITHOUT ANY IFS AND BUTS?
RE:RE:Fair Question
by farid patel on Nov 07, 2007 04:07 PM Permalink
so that way even mumbai train blast is justified. there is no difference between you and terroist mentality. shame on you
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by Vivek Anand on Nov 07, 2007 04:17 PM Permalink
I am ashamed as an Indian... not as an Hindu or muslim.... s.s.. your points are worth to be looked at...
RE:Fair Question
by S S on Nov 07, 2007 04:09 PM Permalink
stop judging people by religion and caste and race. All those things only make us go apart not come closer. And an eye for an eye would only make the whole world go blind
RE:Fair Question
by Imran on Nov 07, 2007 04:00 PM Permalink
Sir nice to read ur comments shows that u are a very good human being. I respect people like u who dont support anyone just bcoz he is hindu or muslim.
Who is this Mahesh Peri ? It's hilarious, the way he's trying to project the rag 'outlook' as if it's a 'New York Times'. I saw Tarun Tejpal on TV the other day. He was evading the question of timing.If the means justify the end, then it's also a fact that Gujarat has been riot free after the post Godhra carnage.
RE:Mahesh Who ???
by Arun Kumar on Nov 07, 2007 04:00 PM Permalink
I dont care who Mahesh Peri is. Where is the voice of you conscience ? Can your conscience really come to terms with the whole tragedy? Dont try to say that burning of train and what followed were different things. Handling both situations was the responsibility of the Govt.
RE:Mahesh Who ???
by softouch on Nov 07, 2007 04:06 PM Permalink
Nobody in his senses will justify the riots.But the timing of the release ( of the sting)is reportedly helping Modi. Can't you see it's a planted sting?
RE:Mahesh Who ???
by sudhir chauhan on Nov 07, 2007 04:21 PM Permalink
that tis the question we are asking you - where was your conscience in 1984 when sikh brothers were killed at the behest of so called secular party, where was your conscience when people were burnt alive in sabarmati train, where was your conscience when kashmiri pandits were killed and raped and kicked from kashmir.
RE:Mahesh Who ???
by coolgaram on Nov 07, 2007 04:23 PM Permalink
What you are talking about? We protected Sikhs during 84 riots - in home and in Hostels. Govt will and can never do anything i citizens don't support. So if people on street were not willing govt was just helpless. Use some strong words for Sharad Pawar/NAik for Bombay riots and why is he in still in govt. Come out of cowardness and have guts to say that injustice will not be tolerated - by others living with us or by govt.
RE:Mahesh Who ???
by Harsha K on Nov 07, 2007 04:12 PM Permalink
What does it matter who brings out the truth, as long as what they have published is incontrovertible?
Gujarat was a shame on our nation (same as 1984 sikh riot, or any other riot in name of religion). People like you who try to see motive in bringing out truth are shaming us even further. Forget your colored glasses and stare at what actually happened. Godhra wasn't planned by the state, but post-godhra carnage was. And that makes it despicable.
RE:RE:Mahesh Who ???
by sudhir chauhan on Nov 07, 2007 04:22 PM Permalink
i will say only one thing that INDIA is the only country in the world where majority is supressed.
RE:Gujrat & Hindu Terrorism
by farid patel on Nov 07, 2007 03:58 PM Permalink
yes, true it is a state sponsored terrorism and who ever support killings of any innocent human beings support terrorism.
RE:Gujrat & Hindu Terrorism
by S S on Nov 07, 2007 04:01 PM Permalink
farid you dont get it. Hindus can never be terrorist,they are the angels who want to clean the society. You know muslims are evil,somebody needs to keep them in check,so some people think that as hindus they have ther right to rape ,murder,torture ,burn people. In their mind only a musilm can be evil,no matter who he/she is. Thankfully I dont belong to that group of angels.
RE:Gujrat & Hindu Terrorism
by S S on Nov 07, 2007 04:06 PM Permalink
Rash you got me wrong der,i think you dint read my msg properly and reacted too fast. I dont support those who support that massacre,it is a shame to me as a hindu and the most as an Indian. Read the message, most of the problems in the society happen because people over react.
RE:Gujrat & Hindu Terrorism
by sudhir chauhan on Nov 07, 2007 04:19 PM Permalink
courtsey this yellow journalism and vote bank politics which is indirectly supressing majority community - someone like narendra modi will head this country
RE:justice to kashmiri pandiths
by anuj agarwal on Nov 07, 2007 04:14 PM Permalink
story om kashmiri pandits will not sell and no channel will air it. Pandits are cheap commodity.
RE:justice to kashmiri pandiths
by farid patel on Nov 07, 2007 03:59 PM Permalink
lets speak on gujarat leave kashmir. what do you have to say about gujarat do u justify it
RE:justice to kashmiri pandiths
by sudhir chauhan on Nov 07, 2007 04:11 PM Permalink
nothing is justified. but the selective nature of journalism is also not justified. like the way you are asking us to condemn all such acts, in the same manner we are asking these journalists and people like arun to write same for kashmiri pandits and godhra incident and 1984 riot. its not the people who are supporting what happened after godhra are biased, but people like you who never came with such comments when train was burnt in godhra, when sikhs were killed at the behest of a so called secular party, because you feared speaking against so called minorities as they are promoted and protected by the powerful mafia politicians for the sake of vote bank.
if you want to come to our platform - then condemn and write similar articles for all such acts whether it was 1984 riot or misery of kashmiri pandits.
RE:RE:justice to kashmiri pandiths
by anuj agarwal on Nov 07, 2007 04:16 PM Permalink
Muslims burnt Hindu pilgrims and that's what happened in Gujrat for no fault or provocation. After that both communities fought each other in open battle. Of course those who are fighting for justice will take upon the evils better.
RE:justice to kashmiri pandiths
by Neeraj SRIVASTAVA on Nov 07, 2007 04:11 PM Permalink
good farid, well said...when we touch the sring nerves u started screaming !! why to leave kasmiri pundits, godhara train victims and talk only about gujarti muslims ! are they not human and don't deserve attention of so called secularists... ?
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by realpresident on Nov 07, 2007 04:07 PM Permalink
why to leave the kashmir issue??? Its not realted to morality r ethics??
RE:justice to kashmiri pandiths
by ANKUR HANDOO on Nov 07, 2007 04:21 PM Permalink
Its not about kashmir or Gujrat..Its about India..Im a kashmiri pandit i have seen what happened i have seen my ancestoral home burnt. Its for our generation to realize that what has happend in Kashmir and in Gujrat is wrong. Bright future beakons us we have 2 join hands in hands to make our country and beautiful and peaceful place to be in.
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by sharath chandra on Nov 07, 2007 04:04 PM Permalink
we r talking here not about what happened at gujarat. we r talking on motivations of these media ppl.
RE:justice to kashmiri pandiths
by Arun Kumar on Nov 07, 2007 03:58 PM Permalink
I want to ask the same question to the followers of modi. Why cant you do a single operation highlighting the plight of Kashmiri pundits ? When you can manufacture bombs and do genocides, I am sure you can also do this little favor to the pundit brothers.
RE:justice to kashmiri pandiths
by realpresident on Nov 07, 2007 04:06 PM Permalink
Coz Modi & Gang will do only that act related to Vote Bank. Is Tehelka is doin the same??
RE:justice to kashmiri pandiths
by RAMESH MENON on Nov 07, 2007 04:07 PM Permalink
Dont use words the meaning of which you don't know! Look up genocide in thesaurus. What happened in Gujarat was a social reaction, however condemnable or bad. What happened during the time of the Ghaznis, the Aurangazebs is what is called genocide. What happened during partition is genocide. Just don't keeep blabbering without responding to any questions...
RE:justice to kashmiri pandiths
by Pooja on Nov 07, 2007 04:23 PM Permalink
I wonder a Menon is saying like this. How can you justify the killing in the name of religion. I hope atleast you will understand these all are the political game plan of BJP. They just make the people as they toys...
We are united against such media. We all know why they do such thing and for which money. I request them who are blind for money to put their wife and daughter at KOTHA and earn some money. It is far better way to earn money than bashing Hindu for every reason for money. Shame shame..!!
RE:Shame Shame..
by S S on Nov 07, 2007 03:57 PM Permalink
yeah how true,y dont u start earning money that way. Its not bashing Hindus,its bashing those people who took part in that massacre, start seeing a few things beyond religion n caste
RE:RE:Shame Shame..
by netizen citizen on Nov 07, 2007 03:59 PM Permalink
You pakis are not invited here. You were only the reason for mascare. You burned sabarmati train and now advocating anti hindu media. Get lost.
RE:Shame Shame..
by true nationalist on Nov 07, 2007 04:18 PM Permalink
just shutup you have any evidence of train burned by muslims if you are justifying the mascare then why you are crying when a bomb explode near you killing coward people like you. all the people who are involve in gujrar roit should be hanged including you.
RE:RE:Shame Shame..
by farid patel on Nov 07, 2007 04:01 PM Permalink
who the hell are you to invite us, this country belong to us and we are not going anywhere. extremist people like you are the root of all the problem. there is a disease in your heart.
RE:Shame Shame..
by netizen citizen on Nov 07, 2007 04:03 PM Permalink
you are the disease to nation. Learn to live peacefully and then advocate about peace.
There is larger suspect in TamilNadu on who is involved in the T.Kritinan murder and Dinakaran office arson case. Whenever a software professional is attacked i am more concerned as i am also a software professional. Every professional is concerned about their co workers.
But how come no one has done a sting operation against the people involved in Dinakaran Arson case. Its an assault against Media.
Dont say that Ajit Jogi, Lalu prasad, Nandigram, Rajasekara reddy, Left in Kerala and Bengal arent tainted. Dont say that Left/Congress has no involvement in violences based on religion in Kerala. Dont say that you dont know about the millionare union leaders in Kerala and Bengal.
We equally welcome the sting operations of the above incidents as that of post gujarat violence. Since there is none released till date, we tend to suspect your motives. And we will suspect your motive, however big the reason you give. That does not mean what Narendra Modi did is right.
