You have asked a question in the article "Do we need to see even the most despicable things that happen around us through a prism of caste, creed, religion, political parties, competition, business, sex, region, and so on?"
Well just read the discussion and you will find the answer. Its no more about right or wrong, its just revenge and hatred which has spread into the Indian community.
All I can say are two wrongs dont make a right, if youe loved ones get hurt do you feel justice is done by killing somebody else who is innocent or by finding the person who caused harm and punishing them.
Gandhi had said "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" how true was he. It seems the whole world has gone blind
RE:RE:We do have remorse
by chetan manral on Nov 07, 2007 04:34 PM Permalink
why are hindu's expected to detest violence ..while everyone else can adhare to it..fight fire with fire..you live peacefully, we will live peacefully..you kill our people..we wont spare yours
RE:We do have remorse
by adfasd asdasd on Nov 07, 2007 04:38 PM Permalink
you all have gone blind...if you play the who started the fire game...it wont end...
yoiu will realise this only when you loose a loved one in this fire.
All this talk about fighting fire with fire will vanish when a mob gets into your house be it a hindu or a muslim mob.
RE:We do have remorse
by chetan manral on Nov 07, 2007 04:50 PM Permalink
let the mob get into my house and do what ever they wont..my hindu brothers are not going to sit and take it..they will very soon pay you a visit
RE:We do have remorse
by adfasd asdasd on Nov 07, 2007 05:09 PM Permalink
nobody will pay any visit...they will win elections and rule and exploit you for 5 years
RE:We do have remorse
by chetan manral on Nov 07, 2007 04:31 PM Permalink
very well said..lets not forget..the biggest threat to the well being and harmony to the world is islamist fundamentalism..what happend in gujrat was nothing else but an answer to there ugly ways..all the terrorism thats happening in the world have muslim involvement in it someway or the other..they cant go on killing innocent in the name of islam and think they will be spared..all this so called intellectuals who do expose..how come they dont have anything to say when hindus were messacared in the hands of muslims in akshar dham, parliament, delhi and mumbai chain blasts..why just one isolated incdent in Gujrat is getting so much lime light when the whole world is getting butchred at hands of ppl who are fighting a war without a cause..killing everyone who doesnt follow islam, they are like perasites,multiplying, consuming the very resources that they live on and then moving on to a differnt pasture and repeating the same there..Anyway,these journoulists-i seriously wish that one of there close one dies at the hands of these terrorist and then maybe they would understand what a profound act of patriotism was what Modi did in Gujrat.
Media is treating like only Muslim Blood is holy...
Look at the episode, where in every 3 months there will be bomb blasts and many inocent people are dying y not sypothise them also.....y only gujarat......
Can Mr Peri explain who massacred those in the Godhra Train ? Who is responsible for the thousands of Killings of Innocent Hindus in Kashmir ? Who is responsible for thousands of Kashmniri Hindus living as refugees in a Hindu Majority Country ?
Gujarat riots happened after the Train was burned and not before ? WHY ? The sting should have covered this part first of all ? I mean could it be that MODI burned the Train so that he could utilise it to remain the CM ? Could be ?
RE:RE:No - its time to SHUT OUT ?
by Imran Shaikh on Nov 07, 2007 04:41 PM Permalink
Mr Pervinder u have a selective memory. Have you forgotten that the Babri masjid was demolished by hindus?? And the police were standing there and were smiling at those hooligans. And definitely studies have shown that the Godhra train incident was all made up. And after that Gujrat massacre where thousands of muslims were killed, the victims still haven't got justice!!!!!! what do u say about this?????
RE:RE:RE:No - its time to SHUT OUT ?
by Perv Sharma on Nov 07, 2007 04:44 PM Permalink
Babri Masjid was never Demolished - a boundary wall of the Masjid which was kilometeres away was broken ?
Now which studies of yours show that Godhra TRain incident was all made up ? And by the way why is URT Big Muslim Mouth shut on Kashmir ? Is it because only Hindus have been killed ?
RE:RE:RE:RE:No - its time to SHUT OUT ?
by Imran Shaikh on Nov 07, 2007 04:50 PM Permalink
which wall are you talking about. if u had shut your eyes while the masjid was being demolished then plz see videos of that shameful act and then comment. and even if a wall is demolished, according to your claims, then why should that happen when everyone knew how tense that such was.
about hindus being killed in kashmir..... do u know how many muslims are being killed there by the military people??? and u won't find the answers in our so-called 'secular' media about this. and for your kind information i would like to tell you that people who live there have narrated all this.
RE:No - its time to SHUT OUT ?
by adfasd asdasd on Nov 07, 2007 04:23 PM Permalink
Until we moderates (who are hindus and muslims only at home) voice your concerns and raise our voices to such a decibel that all the voices of communalists, secularists and terrorists is drowned it....your and mine children cannot hope to live in peace. The lives of our children may end up violently as the victims of Godhra or Gujarat.
What the writer wants to rightly point out is that we have all become divided by us and them and not just only because of the secularists but more so because of the communalists as well...
Even when we hear heart wrenching tales of horror and even see live proof of it on live TV we think that its only the muslims or the hindus who are being burned and murdered even if they are innocents...
Isnt it a shame that Godhra is a part of Gujarat but we still have 2 separate meanings for Godhra and Gujarat.
These politicians and stripped us naked of our morality.
RE:RE:No - its time to SHUT OUT ?
by S S on Nov 07, 2007 04:30 PM Permalink
Pervinder dont justify a massacre where thousands were killed just because something else was happening in other part of the nation. Kashmir was peaceful and things were good der till pakistan step in, It became a war zone. If that region of the country always was at a critical position. Just because people of pakistan and those you were killed belong to the same religion,does that justify the act in your eyes. Those people were your fellow countrymen, they had as much right to be in gujrat as you do n I do. Try seeing things beyond religon ,caste n race. Just for a sec.
RE:No - its time to SHUT OUT ?
by Perv Sharma on Nov 07, 2007 04:41 PM Permalink
Can U give us a example wherein in a Muslim Majority Country - the minorities are allowed to follow a law of their own religion. Can U give an example wherein in Country the minority Religion is given the same status as that of the Majority - Can U name any neighbouring Country of India ?
RE:RE:No - its time to SHUT OUT ?
by Imran Shaikh on Nov 07, 2007 04:45 PM Permalink
my friend India is NOT a democratic country. First you need to understand what democracy is.
and by the way there are thousands of non-muslims in countries where there is Islamic law and yet they (non-muslims) are living peacefully and are also getting complete justice. what more can someone ask for???
RE:No - its time to SHUT OUT ?
by Imran Shaikh on Nov 07, 2007 05:02 PM Permalink
even in saudi arabia hindus can follow their religion and even have idols in their houses. dude if am arguing on this point it is only because u need to understand that our judicial system is totally biased and corrupt. am not saying my muslim brothers are saints, but why should there be injustice. the gujrat victims still haven't got justice whereas most of the culprits who planted bombs in mumbai have been sentenced. y this inequality.
dude we are educated people we need to question the judicial system and not increase hatred amongst us.
RE:RE:RE:No - its time to SHUT OUT ?
by Imran Shaikh on Nov 07, 2007 04:51 PM Permalink
corrction -- India is a democratic country and not a country run by Hindu laws.
RE:RE:RE:No - its time to SHUT OUT ?
by Perv Sharma on Nov 07, 2007 04:54 PM Permalink
Name the country stating which allows the minorities to follow their own law ?
RE:RE:No - its time to SHUT OUT ?
by Imran Shaikh on Nov 07, 2007 04:42 PM Permalink
it's just because of this sick mindset that we have such a terrible situation :(
Tarun tejpal must be put behind bar for his conspiracy to disturb communal harmony in our country. He is a puppet in the hand of anti-nation elements and always try to make this country weak. Why dont he do sting operation to find out the persons who killed so many hindus in the burning train? why dont he do sting operation to on those congress person who killed more than 10 thousand sikhs? Was he sleeping for so many years and woke up just at the time of election....I think that some of us must file public petition against this anti-nation elements
RE:Tehelka must be banned
by Imran on Nov 07, 2007 04:27 PM Permalink
Dude people like u should be banned first bcoz u are trying to surpress the truth.Tejpal has taken a huge risk to get the truth out people like u will only sit in ur room and pass rubbish comments. Always support the truth.
RE:Tehelka must be banned
by Prasenjit Guha on Nov 07, 2007 04:30 PM Permalink
Do not be mean minded hindu. Do not try to learn hinduism from Advani and VHP company. Tarun Tejpal's tehlka was not there in 1984, otherwise he would have done it. When truth comes out do not defend your hindu brothers in the name of religion. If you are a true hindu try to accept that Modi is a criminal. There were many congressmen who with criminal mentality killed so many innocent sikhs. I condemn that just as I condemn Modi's atrocities. If you are educated and have learnt something in the school, stop thinking about religion . Think about improving the country,s moral state.
RE:RE:Tehelka must be banned
by Sanjay Mohan on Nov 07, 2007 04:35 PM Permalink
Go to kashmir with your mother/daughter/sister, be there for 2-3 days...once you come from there (if...) then I will talk to you about morality.
RE:RE:RE:Tehelka must be banned
by Imran on Nov 07, 2007 04:37 PM Permalink
Sanjay don%u2019t support a wrong with another wrong we accept what is happening in Kashmir is wrong but y don%u2019t u accept what happned in guj was wrong
RE:Tehelka must be banned
by runee on Nov 07, 2007 04:44 PM Permalink
thanx imran for accepting that happening in kashmir is wrong and u may be in 0.00001% in ur communiy to accept this fact. BUT is there any one who stood in support of these kasmiries like many mashrooms have grwon up to extend suport against modi
RE:RE:RE:Tehelka must be banned
by Prasenjit Guha on Nov 07, 2007 05:14 PM Permalink
I do not need to learn morality from you. I have understood how you have been born and brought up. I have learnt from my mother that they were thrown out of East Pakistan about 50 years back.I had also learnt many harrowing tales from her. Yet she taught me to be secular. I practice that an I am proud of it.Be a son of your motherland, be a leader. Do not get carried away by religion. It has never done anyone any good. Below in yourself. Do something for the country. Stop hatred. Start it from your home. I am doing the same.
U'll are bloody fundamentalists who are supporting MODI and BJP.I'm proud that I'm not born in Gujrat and anywhere amonst iliterate hindi speaking morons.
RE:Bloody fundamentalist
by Rupesh Bhagchandani on Nov 07, 2007 04:25 PM Permalink | Hide message
Thank you very much for not being born in Gujarat. Please stick to your state and sell India to China like your comrades.
Until we moderates (who are hindus and muslims only at home) voice your concerns and raise our voices to such a decibel that all the voices of communalists, secularists and terrorists is drowned it....your and mine children cannot hope to live in peace. The lives of our children may end up violently as the victims of Godhra or Gujarat.
What the writer wants to rightly point out is that we have all become divided by us and them and not just only because of the secularists but more so because of the communalists as well...
Even when we hear heart wrenching tales of horror and even see live proof of it on live TV we think that its only the muslims or the hindus who are being burned and murdered even if they are innocents...
Isnt it a shame that Godhra is a part of Gujarat but we still have 2 separate meanings for Godhra and Gujarat.
These politicians and stripped us naked of our morality.
You are assuming that the entire journalistic fraternity is clean and non-corrupt. This is a wrong assumption.
While the author is entitled to his judgment and opinion, what is totally mischievous is that these operations from Thelka are being targeted against one party. Further more the timing of the publication makes it suspicious. One cant but suspect the motives of Tehelka and arguing that what has been shown is the truth is not sufficient.
There is just nothing wrong in people questioning the silence of Thelka about the 1984 riots and also the Godhra carnage. If showing the truth is your only intention why not about these two incidents too??
RE:Tehelka sting: Time to speak out
by ROZUKURTHI on Nov 07, 2007 04:23 PM Permalink
HELLO , JUST MAKE ONE TEHELKA ON THE JURNOS, THEN SEE HOW MANY SKELITONS WILL COME OUT THEY ARE ALSO PART OF THE SAME SOCIETY WE ARE LIVING IN , THEY HAVE NOT DECENDED FROM HEAVENS.
RE:Tehelka sting: Time to speak out
by drmnambekar@yahoo.co.uk on Nov 07, 2007 04:32 PM Permalink
There is monetary gain in 1984 Episode and it is not congineal to speak against Congress, It is so simple.
Those who support the massacre,I ask them just one question?
what would you do if a mob attacks and wants to kill a family,who had nothing to do with the situation. Their only chance of survival is if you let them in your house. Would you save them? What if they are a muslim, would you save them then?
RE:what would you answer
by RAMESH MENON on Nov 07, 2007 04:22 PM Permalink
Do you know the reasons for the massacres? more than the train burning incident, the main reason was the subjugation of the dalits and tribals by the muslim money lenders and merchants for years, the tribals and dalits in central gujarat, where majority of the riots happened, were given a chance by this event....most of the people who died were not beggars, they were well to do, atleast most of them..money lenders merchants politicians
and dont throw hypothetical questions, no one knows what that person would do at that instant, do u know what you will do if your house got fire while you were sleeping at 1 am in the monring?
RE:what would you answer
by S S on Nov 07, 2007 04:25 PM Permalink
i sure know what I should do if my house is on fire.but anyway ramesh thats not my point,2000 people were massacred,and you want to justify it by saying that their were all rich and had more money then the dalits and the tribals. Does that justify a rape,a murder in your eyes.
RE:what would you answer
by RAMESH MENON on Nov 07, 2007 04:32 PM Permalink
I have no problem, hangg the rapists, hang the murderers, i have never justified anything.... i have given u the reasons
but hang the people who torched the train, those who attacked parliament, those who planted bombs everywhere india....those who killed the sikhs, those who killed the pandits
lets give justice to all, not just to muslims in gujarat, other wise it is just votebank politics
Why does this Mahesh Peri want to ignore motives. If we see the kind of revelations which Tehelka brings out every now and then, always it is the opposition which is targetted. So why not impute that they are receiving funds from the congress...or worse from the terrorists themselves masquerading as human right(or wrong) activists. Does he mean to say that it is only coincidental that not a single sting has targetted the congress. Or does he mean to say that there are no skeletons in the Congress's cupboard. So once some motive is suspected/insinuated and with some reason it naturally follows that the sting is not objective but was made in such a way to show everthiong in a negative way.
But then why should anybody respond to this Mahesh guy at all since he belongs to that great mouthpiece of congress...OUTLOOK.;) Now if this is a mere insinuation just read a couple of their issues and all will be clear even to the dumbest person.
RE:Motive is important.
by realpresident on Nov 07, 2007 04:20 PM Permalink
Becoz Tehlka is talking abt POST GODHRA only. Wat abt that Godhra Train incidence?? Was that accident? Can Tehlka r u find out?
