Everyone writing here is either an Hindu or Muslim... I wish if all of you have been Indian first... In Godhra Indians died and in Gujrat also Indians died... and we will be better of as a society if we understand this... Being Patriotic means that we value each and every citizen's life... Again I request you all fellow Indians to see that who so ever had died in Godhra or in Gujrat was an Indian and there cant be any justification to killing them.
RE:Lost Identity...
by Ahmad Shamim on Nov 07, 2007 08:52 PM Permalink
I totally agree with you, there can't be any justification to killings of human beings be it at Godhra or post Godhra riots. Does the religion whoever says himself to be a true hindu or a muslim can never justify any killings. We should not be guilty of supporting the crimes which we did not do beacuse that also makes us a part of the crime. I feel sorry to see so much hatred here and that people justifying killings against fellow humans just because they do not happen to be co-religionist. Hey guys, understand one thing, there goes a saying''Never fight for your belief, you never know you might be wrong''. Religion is a person's choice; his way of living a life and no religion teaches you to kill humans. I am a muslim and still i dont wish anything bad for Mr. Modi, i just wish he realises what is humanity and what is human suffering at the hands of a fellow human being. You can't live with peace with so much hatred within you guys. Be a true Hindu and a true Muslim an speak truth for your religion--speak for love and compassion not hatred and killings.
RE:RE:Voiceless!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Nov 07, 2007 04:53 PM Permalink
I want to ask u all.Am i not allowed to express my view without anyone insulting my faith. If i say about Modi or any political Party,do i become anti-india and anti-Hindus. for that purpose,i have changed my approach. I have read such bad comments. sometime when i think about,i get ill. SO much hatred is there in the some people's mind especially about Muslims
RE:RE:RE:Voiceless!!
by runee on Nov 07, 2007 04:59 PM Permalink
NO Ismail. Don't generalize the think. you shd realize that once you will point a finger the other three will point you. no one likes to be blamed by one who also have a black face. Right to express is with every one, its an art to utilze our rights effectively without hurthing any one.
RE:RE:Voiceless!!
by S S on Nov 07, 2007 04:54 PM Permalink
what about the violent past of hindus, dint people die when they were hindu kings or dint they fight wars. Dint ashoka cry after seeing the massacre he commited,he was not muslim.Dont justify your hatred because of what happened centuries ago.
RE:RE:RE:Voiceless!!
by Perv Sharma on Nov 07, 2007 04:59 PM Permalink
But none of the Hindu Kings ever forced his religion on others ? Give one example wherein a Hindu King was forcing Muslims to convert to Hinduism ?
RE:RE:RE:RE:Voiceless!!
by S S on Nov 07, 2007 05:03 PM Permalink
thats because Islam came after Hinduism. Do you think since Humans came into existence they were all Hindus.
RE:Voiceless!!
by Srinivas on Nov 07, 2007 04:51 PM Permalink
Ismail you should be ashamed to ask this question. Many hindus have been raped in Kashmir and killed all the Hindus. Where to get the proof. All muslims supported this killings.
RE:RE:Voiceless!!
by Mohammed Younus on Nov 07, 2007 05:05 PM Permalink
Even the muslims are getting raped..that too by our army people...don't you read that and can't you see in gujarat what happened.VHP people literally riped through the muslim houses, raped and killed them... First be an human being and then drag religion in that......
People can you all for a second forget the religion of the people that got massacred, forget the religion of the girl that got raped, forget their caste their race and look at those 2000 people as fellow Indians. Indians that were killed,raped. Tell me does it still justify to you what happened. We feel proud that it happened, what if some day things get changed and it happens the other way round, would you then say its a massacre and an evil act. Stop this an eye for an eye,whom do you want to fight with, with a fellow Indian, a guy who has lived in India as long as you did, who was born here ,raised here. Stop asking them to go to pakistan, it is their country as much as yours, they choose to be here as much as your forefathers did. Dont justify evil, it would only make you evil.
Can Mr Peri explain who massacred those in the Godhra Train ? Who is responsible for the thousands of Killings of Innocent Hindus in Kashmir ? Who is responsible for thousands of Kashmniri Hindus living as refugees in a Hindu Majority Country ?
Gujarat riots happened after the Train was burnt and not before ? WHY ? The sting should have covered this part first of all ? I mean could it be that MODI burned the Train so that he could utilise it to remain the CM ? Could be ?
RE:Mr Peri - Time to Shut OUT
by Red Pascal on Nov 07, 2007 04:56 PM Permalink
All killers should be punished, whether Godhra or post Godhra, but in Godhra a state govt that is supposed to protect it's citizens was not involved in the planning, and was not holding the police back, post Godhra riots it was and is colluding with the guilty,and hence the sting is required against the govt. There is no such state involvement in the Godhra incident that needs exposure. But one would have to look beyond one's religion to see that.
I fully agree with your article on the need for Outlook to publish such an article on Outlook. This was indeed a crime against humanity & people of whichever religion who indulged in this must be hanged. My only question is why is it that Outlook publishes articles only which are anti-BJP or anti-Hindu. Why do you as a magazine believe that the people who burned the train at Godhra, bombed Delhi/Mumbai/ Samjahuta/ Ajmer etc, people who caused millions of Kashmiri Pandits to leave the valley, etc are saints? Why dont I find a sting operation against the bribe/ threat driven religious conversions which have gone into an overdrive since Sonia Gandhi became the super-PM? Why dont I see a sting against the Communists who threaten to derail the India-growth story & ensure that we remain poor. As they say, Communism is the equal distribution of poverty, but your communist infested rag would never carry these stuff.
Journalism is reaching a new low in India. With numerous news channels vying for viewship,news has to be packaged and 'sold' like a commodity. Tehelka expose is only a matter of making money rather than shedding tears for the riot affected people. The timing of the so-called expose is itself an expose of their dubious intentions. Their earlier 'expose' of Army deals looked so 'cooked-up' that I wonder whether they are journalists or sensationalists. I feel that 'journalism' is the casualty in this commercialisation of news channels where news is sold to viewers. It is time for the serious and real journalism to stand-up and distinguish themselves because its the media and Judiciary thyat are the hopes of the hapless people of this country, where the political class and the beuracracy have lost peoples' trust.
Can violence and bloodshed justify another bloodshed. When will we get over saying they killed us and we killed them. Is there no end to this?
Godhra is condemned by all muslims all over the world but can any sane person justify the killing of innocent people in gujarat for what happened at Godhra station? Were those innocent people who were burned and slaughtered responsible for what happened at the station?
Why don't people understand the politics, its really heartbreaking to see people supporting Narendra Modi who was the master mind behind the Massacre of Human beings.....Osama Bin Laden is a terrorist and so is Narendra Modi.
Anybody who kills human beings is a Terrorist and should be punished..........
RE:Modi is a Terrorist!!
by vipul chaudhary on Nov 07, 2007 04:47 PM Permalink
If I M Not wrong thenm none from Muslim Word condemned Godhra. What about the plight of Kashmiries Hindues? Did any Javeds or Sabanas or Tista or what so ever came forward to address there condition? Ans to all these Question is NO, NEVER. and it is as plain and simple as it is. Osama Is a terroriest, but Not Narendra modi. When Hindues are being killed it becomes seculer, but when Hindues react it becomes communal. Don't u think that it's a double standard?
RE:Modi is a Terrorist!!
by S S on Nov 07, 2007 04:52 PM Permalink
what do you want to say,that everytime a hindu is killed a muslim should come out and cry. Thats because you have created a difference. When godhra happened Indians died,Indians condemned it, Indians Killed fellow 2000 Indians. And Its again we Indians who dont even feel ashamed about it. Look beyond religion ,caste and race. Look at each other as Indians.
RE:Modi is a Terrorist!!
by Sonu Madhavan on Nov 07, 2007 04:55 PM Permalink
Ismail, at last i found one person who is real Human, i praise u. But friend as u mentioned above that all muslims all over the world condemended the Godhra issue is not true not a single muslim leader condem the Godhra. Hindus aggression was due to that they begain to belive that if the dont take action then these people will cause more harm. In this form i had seen many people crying for Gujrat roit but they dont want to condem the massacre of thousand of kashmiri Pandit. these type of double standard will disbelife in other peoples mind.
Terror act must be condemed on all ground whether is it is from our own people. We must try to get rids of people who are spreading hatered in the name of riligion. if they are from our own religion theb also we must do the same.
There is a clear information that Godra Train Killing was conducted by BJP only. They need a communal violance in Gujarat to win the elections. So Modi arranged to kill their own people and spread the hatred and revenge in Hindus. This was a terible political game by BJP.
But the pure 'Hindu' follows BJP and arguing for them!! pitty on you.
RE:Godra was done by BJP itself !
by rajesh on Nov 07, 2007 04:47 PM Permalink
Pooja : Salaam Alaikum. How is Musharraff doing there after imposing emergency ?...!!!
RE:Godra was done by BJP itself !
by Ismail Sayyed on Nov 07, 2007 04:45 PM Permalink
True. Modi decided to go after innocent people rather than the culprits who killed those poor Kar sevaks.
RE:Godra was done by BJP itself !
by Ahmad Shamim on Nov 07, 2007 09:30 PM Permalink
There can't be any justification to killings of human beings be it at Godhra or post Godhra riots. Does the religion whoever says himself to be a true hindu or a muslim; can never justify any killings. We should not be guilty of supporting the crimes which we did not do beacuse that also makes us a part of the crime. I feel sorry to see so much hatred here and that people justifying killings against fellow humans just because they do not happen to be co-religionist. Hey guys, understand one thing, there goes a saying''Never fight for your belief, you never know you might be wrong''. Religion is a person's choice; his way of living a life and no religion teaches you to kill humans. I am a muslim and still i dont wish anything bad for Mr. Modi, i just wish he realises what is humanity and what is human suffering at the hands of a fellow human being. You can't live with peace with so much hatred within you guys. Be a true Hindu and a true Muslim an speak truth for your religion--speak for love and compassion not hatred and killings.
