RE:tehelka
by ashwani sharma on Nov 07, 2007 07:40 PM Permalink
Bhola! If these congis are to be beleived then Advani Vajpayees were responsible for partition and Jinnha etc. tried to prevent that!
Dear Friends, You can't justify the killings of innocent people whether they are hindus/muslims.
channelBut i do believe that news channels are real culprit, they just want to make money. They don't know the impact of a news on society. I do remember that Aaj Tak and some other news channels were showing the pictures of burnt train and burnt bodies on February 28,2002 when godhar incident happened. They were showing this with such an intencity that anybody can get angry.
Why not oppose this so that ppl can remain calm ? why to surrender to such news that provoke ppl to go for this inhuman deeds. Having said that, i also feel news channels are biased.
I am from ahmedabad and i have seen some hindus loosing lives due to riots. No news channels came fwd and are showing that ?
I am not justifying the acts of kilings of muslims/hindus. all the killed ppl are indians. Stop fighting amongst urselves and identify culprits.
RE:Time to rethink
by enticejuan on Nov 07, 2007 07:31 PM Permalink
dude same thing muslims dont accept nor they believe they dont believe in india or unity they want shit islam n sharia law and they live with blood n flesh they are beast they were never humans since 10the century they got a gory gloomy past of being beast , in india they are some what human just becoz of hindus otherwise they dont fall in human category.
RE:RE:Time to rethink
by Ahmad Shamim on Nov 07, 2007 09:08 PM Permalink
I totally agree with you, there can't be any justification to killings of human beings be it at Godhra or post Godhra riots. Does the religion whoever says himself to be a true hindu or a muslim can never justify any killings. We should not be guilty of supporting the crimes which we did not do beacuse that also makes us a part of the crime. I feel sorry to see so much hatred here and that people justifying killings against fellow humans just because they do not happen to be co-religionist. Hey guys, understand one thing, there goes a saying''Never fight for your belief, you never know you might be wrong''. Religion is a person's choice; his way of living a life and no religion teaches you to kill humans. I am a muslim and still i dont wish anything bad for Mr. Modi, i just wish he realises what is humanity and what is human suffering at the hands of a fellow human being. You can't live with peace with so much hatred within you guys. Be a true Hindu and a true Muslim an speak truth for your religion--speak for love and compassion not hatred and killings.
Let's face the reality - 1) Long back in Muradabad,UP riots started as "Pig" was thrown inside mosque.Who did it? Did any punishment was awarded? 2) Aligarh has "Annual Riot Festival" a SIMI bastion. Any case, any punishment? 3) Malegaon has seen violence almost every year recently. Any Action?
Point is unless public standup and retaliates - nothing will happen and there will only be "meek" victims. That fear has to be there and is required.
See why USA went blindly against Afghanistan and not against North Korea or IRAN. It is fear - Stu...
RE:NAKED REALITY
by coolgaram on Nov 07, 2007 07:21 PM Permalink
Precisely Abhinav. And the post Godhra, events have shown that it acts as good checks & balances. Majority has risen, demonstrated that no longer it is going to be a victim and bear the tantrums of minority. Results are there for everyone to see. What Tehelka, Tarun, Mahesh are doing is to remind minority that don't commit the mistake again.
RE:NAKED REALITY
by Tera Baap on Nov 07, 2007 07:24 PM Permalink
coolrgaram, you mean to say minority should not kill 58-60 people... but go after killing few tens every now and then like mumbai blasts, hyderabad blasts etc.
RE:NAKED REALITY
by Rasheed on Nov 07, 2007 07:34 PM Permalink
It was not spontaneous mob fury, and that is what Tehelka and a whole lot of investigations by the National Human Rights Commission and Amnesty International have revealed. It was preplanend, deliberate and systematically implemented with clinical precision. If you are so blind to reality even when it hits you straight, there is nothing more.
RE:RE:NAKED REALITY
by JaveedKhan on Nov 07, 2007 07:18 PM Permalink
We said Abhinav. Appreciate your thoughts.. We all indians need to think properly and take our country to highest position among others. This is possible only we join together and work against poverty and devolopment.
RE:NAKED REALITY
by Tera Baap on Nov 07, 2007 07:19 PM Permalink
your comments openly justifies violence which is no solution..every community has bad people..if you name Haji Bilal there is Modi and Togadia..if you name Dawood you have Arun Gawli, Chota Rajan, Bal Thackeray! But all this arguments doesn't solve core and real problems we have!
Rather then blaming particular person or a community we need to introspect ourselves as a human being and realise real purpose of the life!
RE:RE:NAKED REALITY
by Tera Baap on Nov 07, 2007 07:26 PM Permalink
Javed bhai, if i put my original name people start abusing me, muslims and islam! Even after statting this some people will start abusing me right away! Specially those who are from RSS/VHP/BD/SS!
RE:RE:NAKED REALITY
by Tera Baap on Nov 07, 2007 07:29 PM Permalink
Godhara is still inconclusive Ahinav so dont state that! There are plenty of other issues against COngress and BJP worth mentioning but you seem to be Hard core supporter of BJP!
The writer is suffering from a severe case of amnesia & arthritis. He has forgotten the Bombay Train Blasts, The Gateway of India Blasts, The Vile Parle Blast.....so on & so forth. If he has guts then let him plan plan a sting operation on these cases.
RE:Severe Case of Amnesia
by vinay kapur on Nov 07, 2007 07:13 PM Permalink
None of the blasts mentioned by you were supported by State Government.What about your amnesia & arithritis?
RE:Severe Case of Amnesia
by Amit Ashtekar on Nov 07, 2007 07:26 PM Permalink
I am quite OK, dear vinay. But your mental background is suspicious otherwise how come you have the assumption that the riots were supported by the State Govt. Take Care..
RE:RE:Severe Case of Amnesia
by vinay kapur on Nov 07, 2007 07:45 PM Permalink
Dear Amit,you are changing the subject when you talk about my mental background.Examine the facts objectively without any bias and draw your conclusions.Don't mix facts with assumpsions,interpretations and opinions.
RE:RE:RE:Severe Case of Amnesia
by Amit Ashtekar on Nov 07, 2007 08:00 PM Permalink
I am not changing the subject at all. What I am saying that there is no conclusive proof that the Gujarat Riots are State Sponsored Terrorism. But dont you think in some of the blasts that I have mentioned some ministers from the minority community might be involved. Why doesnt the Tehelka do a sting operation on Syed Ahmad Gilani, Mohammed Shahabuddiin? Again I am saying Tehelka's sting operation is doubtful.
RE:RE:Severe Case of Amnesia
by Rasheed on Nov 07, 2007 07:26 PM Permalink
Huh real enemy, glorified and commercialised by Hollywood. Admit that what Tehelka did in gujarat was gutsy enough, and hunt for your defining adjectives when they turn their attention elsewhere. And for godsake, dont rubbish Indian scribes many of whom are as good as Pearl.
RE:RE:Severe Case of Amnesia
by vinay kapur on Nov 07, 2007 07:24 PM Permalink
So you agree that state sposored terrorism exists.Thanks.Are you asking them to expose what you have stated and is already known?
RE:RE:Severe Case of Amnesia
by Vijay Shanker on Nov 07, 2007 07:24 PM Permalink
What about 1984 genocide - burning and killing of sikhs? Was it not state sponsored i.e. with the tacit approval of Congress party? Want about other riots in last 60 years in India during Nehru's and Indira Gandhi's tennure
RE:RE:RE:Severe Case of Amnesia
by vinay kapur on Nov 07, 2007 07:31 PM Permalink
So you agree that state sponsored terrorism exists.One question.How can we protect innocent people in this cross-fire?
RE:RE:RE:Severe Case of Amnesia
by Vijay Shanker on Nov 07, 2007 07:25 PM Permalink
by vinay kapur on Nov 07, 2007 07:13 PM None of the blasts mentioned by you were supported by State Government.What about your amnesia & arithritis?
What about 1984 genocide - burning and killing of sikhs? Was it not state sponsored i.e. with the tacit approval of Congress party? Want about other riots in last 60 years in India during Nehru's and Indira Gandhi's tennure
RE:Severe Case of Amnesia
by enticejuan on Nov 07, 2007 07:35 PM Permalink
we tend to forget things easily nor media highlights nor political parties bother about hindus we have to rise up ourselves , if u rememeber n recall such incidents u will find every years officially n unofficially thousands of hindus r dying comparing to few 100's of muslims. it is not only hindus the whole world hates them and whole world wants to kill them , u can easily understand the amount of dirty mind n flith they got in there life mind n religion that whole world hate them , islam n paki is added in to swearing words. and everywhere hindus r accepted n embraced. even usa now called paki hindu judges during emergency in pak. Muslims r curse to earth
RE:RE:Severe Case of Amnesia
by vinay kapur on Nov 07, 2007 07:51 PM Permalink
Terrorism does not spare anyone.Hundreds of innocent muslims are dying every day in Iraq,Pakistan & Afghanistan.
Tehelka weekly had claimed to have 'irrefutable' evidence that the killings of Muslims in the post-Godhra train carnage in Gujarat was 'not a spontaneous swell of anger but a genocide' planned and executed by top functionaries of the Sangh Parivar and state authorities 'with the sanction' of Chief Minister Narendra Modi.
RE:BJP should be punished for Gujarat Godra Drama.
by Ismail Sayyed on Nov 07, 2007 06:59 PM Permalink
Tehelka weekly had claimed to have 'irrefutable' evidence that the killings of Muslims in the post-Godhra train carnage in Gujarat was 'not a spontaneous swell of anger but a genocide' planned and executed by top functionaries of the Sangh Parivar and state authorities 'with the sanction' of Chief Minister Narendra Modi.
RE:BJP should be punished for Gujarat Godra Drama.
by SSCD on Nov 07, 2007 07:08 PM Permalink
see my facts below which disprove the claim. It's not based on any 'sting' operation but hard facts documented by various newspapers, court verdicts and official (on-record) statements.
RE:BJP should be punished for Gujarat Godra Drama.
by sonam on Nov 07, 2007 07:03 PM Permalink
mam who told you plz give informatiom to congress buearu of investigation(CBI).THEY WILL GIVE YOUSUITABLE POSTIN CONGRESS.
Man. I would have appreciated Modi had he punished those who burnt the train in Godhra.
But he involved in killing those hundreds of innocent people who were living a common life like we do. Then how come Modi can be called as Hero. He is a living devil man.
RE:Man!!
by chetan manral on Nov 07, 2007 06:53 PM Permalink
wait a second..i thought the mob was led by muslim congress leaders..in a lot of places,wasnt it..isnt that what was revealed in one of the news channel and then even the reports
RE:Man!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Nov 07, 2007 06:59 PM Permalink
What kind of sick man will describe his brave story of slit opening a pregnant womens womb, thats height of disgust and people on this forum are supporting this.
RE:RE:Man!!
by Ismail Sayyed on Nov 07, 2007 07:00 PM Permalink
I know you are the cousin of Babu bajrangi. Discuss your bravery with your daughter and sister.
RE:Man!!
by Atul Patel on Nov 07, 2007 07:37 PM Permalink
Mr. Ismail Sayyed,
Don't get irritated. You have to accept the truth. It's not that we discuss the bravery. It's all matter of lesson. I believe, those who were involved in train burning incident, they got very good & effective lesson.
RE:Man!!
by Agarwal on Nov 07, 2007 07:31 PM Permalink
y dont u discuss with ur own sister and daughter instead of saying him. becoz of "KAYAR HINUS" like u. in india we Hindus become second class citizens in our own country. MIND IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE:Man!!
by chetan manral on Nov 07, 2007 07:05 PM Permalink
please dont get personal..you both are making valid points..debate on it if you cant then dont make such remarks
RE:some facts about Godhra carnage...........
by Point on Nov 07, 2007 06:50 PM Permalink
Does this make the killing of 2000 human beings in a cold blooded manner justifiable ?
Does any religion in this world teach us this that if 2 of our friends are killed then go rape and kill 10 people from the other religion?
RE:some facts about Godhra carnage...........
by Point on Nov 07, 2007 06:56 PM Permalink
Your answering my question with a question Abhinav. It was a simple question
RE:some facts about Godhra carnage...........
by Tera Baap on Nov 07, 2007 07:02 PM Permalink
can you tell me what BJP or any other political party have done for KASHMIR?
Specially talking about BJP how many KASHMIRI PANDITS have they been relocated back to JK when they were in power for 5years in center?
What they have done to build RAM TEMPLE which brought them into center initially?
Think sensibly and rationally rather then spreading communal hatred!
RE:BJP should be punished for Gujarat Drama
by hiren patel on Nov 07, 2007 06:42 PM Permalink
Pooja You mean modi gether 1500 muslim people at godhra station ? you mean modi stop fire brigred to stop fire at train? Why you are hide your name like hindu?
