Tarun - Though I disagree with you in many issues.You are a learned man.One of few sane voices in RSS.Amidst blind accusations and wild allegations which Muslims nowadays are subjected to,you talk sense though you criticise us heavily. With people like you, we Muslims can look forward to working with RSS
RE:Tarun Vijay - One of few learned men in RSS
by salim on Nov 06, 2007 07:21 AM Permalink
Tathagata Mukherjee - I have seen your posts. You are one of the sadistic morons in rediff forums, who never read any book on religion,culture or politics. Go and get life instead of spewing hatred in rediff.
RE:Tarun Vijay - One of few learned men in RSS
by Arun Kumar on Nov 06, 2007 07:25 AM Permalink
Islamophobe!!! Get out of your ghettos and see there is a beautiful world beyond hate.
RE:Islam is an opium without which most of Pakistan will disintegrate
by Arun Kumar on Nov 06, 2007 07:16 AM Permalink
Yeah! Where do you get these ideas from ? Get out of your Islamophobic mindset. India needs better leaders and better infrastructure. The real threat to the world is Global warming and people should concentrate on reducing green house emissions rather than playing the blame game.
RE:Islam is an opium without which most of Pakistan will disintegrate
by Arun Kumar on Nov 06, 2007 07:21 AM Permalink
I do not need a certificate from a Jihadi or a RSS fanatic to be a hindu. I am a hindu and a proud Hindu and I dont have to kill or rape anybody to prove my hindu credentials.
Why are people deluding themselves that we have a fullfledged democracy in our country. Our role is limited in just electing people evry five years either to parliament or assembly and if we are lucky, to either municipal corporations or panchayath. Thats where a common mans role ends. I feel common mans role should increase in day to day management atleast for begenning at micro level.
RE:Let Paki Nuke be taken out
by Arun Kumar on Nov 06, 2007 07:10 AM Permalink
Ya get your shopping basket ready. we will go and buy them :-) such pedestrian views!!!!
RE:Let Paki Nuke be taken out
by Arman on Nov 06, 2007 07:13 AM Permalink
Are you sure nukes were ever there to begin with? Do you think uncle Sam is that stupid? Why do you think Jehadis are so angry with Mushy
RE:Let Paki Nuke be taken out
by Arun Kumar on Nov 06, 2007 07:17 AM Permalink
Come on!!! For Gods sake. Nukes are a real threat in this volatile region. Such kind of weapons do not have any place in the world. The world leaders should take a lead in eliminating them from everywhere.
RE:Let Paki Nuke be taken out
by Danial Fakih on Nov 06, 2007 07:20 AM Permalink
Arun Mukharjee ka yahee level hay..aur iska Islamophobia hight par hay..He is so blind in hatred of Islam that he can't be sane ..hehehe
hi one point everyone misses when talking of Gujrat is that, everyone looks at the majority vs minority. One simple question how did it all start? answer when a train was put on fire. An incident of such magnitude is bound to cause anger and frustration, the people in the train were brutally burnt alive.
This does not justify the killing of innocent people but at the same time should not be branded as a comunal violence. It should be termed more as a terrorist attack to dis honour the indian democracy.
One point people miss out is the timing of the attack if you look into the archive of newspapers around that time, you will notice that across the world the people were asking pakistan, and china to follow on indian footsteps. Well put 2 2 together you will begin to see the bigger game of plan. Therefore i request my fellow indians, guys look we already have other governments hostile to us, why make their work easier by fighting among ourself.
What we need is a unity between all faith and let no neta devide us on communal lines, at this point i will say Congress, and the left are not as secular as they claim against the BJP. Just that BJP supports or pretends to support one part of the society and the rest support or pretend again to the other.
Let us all unite together and make India the dream our freedom fighters cherished.
RE:India dream to be realised
by ANIL kumar on Nov 06, 2007 07:22 AM Permalink
When indira gandhi was murdered, Rajiv Gandhi encouraged the riots on sikhs in delhi for three days as revenge. This was wrong. The same too cannot be justified on Gidhra train burning issue. In both the cases the rioters were not common men taking to streets and attacking the other community. They were party people. Not only those involved should be punished, but the police officials should be hanged for failing to do their duty and allow murders get commited in daylight and right in front of their eyes.
RE:RE:India dream to be realised
by abhinav on Nov 06, 2007 07:35 AM Permalink
Anil we are again missing a point... who are the party people, they are part of the same country.
See when i saw we must all unite together and let no neta tell us what is right and wrong, it includes those party workers too. They should know what they are doing is not in their own interest in the long run. One person who is guiding them into wrong doing will gain but everyone else will lose.
At this point one must realise the reason why the politicians indulge in these activities-- that is because they see that by doing this they will get more votes.
If we can together give a replay that this kind of mentality will not work on us then it will automatically bring an end to this chaos.
One policy which i am against of the government is to provide roti, kapda aur makan.
Instead what government should provide job and everything else will automatically follow. We are not a developed contry so we have alot that can be done to improve the living standards of the poorest of the poor, which inturn is an avalanch effect.
I again stress we should think positively and not look down upon out country. This is our home we need to work together to improve it.
When you want to have a house you need to buy it and for that you have to work hard to earn money. India is the biggest house in which we all live in, let us build it together
RE:India dream to be realised
by Arun Kumar on Nov 06, 2007 07:04 AM Permalink
The fact is simple. The burning of the train and the genocide that followed both are the responsibilities of the Govt. No politician or a corrupt official has ever been jailed in India. Sometimes it makes me wonder if we are going Pakistans way.
RE:India dream to be realised
by abhinav on Nov 06, 2007 07:16 AM Permalink
Arun you are right it is the responsability of the government. At the same time it is also the psychology of the masses which the politicians use from time to time for personal gains.
Today we need to realise ourselves what is right and what is wrong. We shouldn't listen to someone without any reasoning. If we still do then we have to also look inside ourselves.
Politician and corrupt official has not been jailed because we as a nation are divided on petty issues rather than focusing on issues which affect us all.
Remember constitutionaly india is a Union and not a Federation. Thus the system is a much more complex, look at the EU it comprises of one of the most developed nations but still there is alot of discontent among the people about it's functioning.
Our forefathers took the bold step to start from where the EU is now in terms of ideology. What that didnt foresee is that we needed time to evolve to actually understand that complex system.
I agree with you that the government has been incapcitated, but we should remember in a democracy we are the government as we elect the people. We need to make rational decision in bringing the right people to power if we are to achieve the dream we saw at the midnight hour.
RE:India dream to be realised
by hanek singh on Nov 06, 2007 07:41 AM Permalink
dear abhinav, you write beautifully and sensibly .keep up the good work
RE:RE:India dream to be realised
by abhinav on Nov 06, 2007 07:21 AM Permalink
by the way as for the last part if we are going the pakistan way..... well we are not going to because we are discussing it right here, it might not seem significant but these small discussions are what change the society. The change is slow but is there and in the end that is what matters.
One thing more we should realise when we say something about India. That is we all are part of the country, so be it us or an outsider. Whenever anyone underestimates us then he dirties all our clothes.
what is currently happening in pakistan or has happened in last 60 years is nothing surprising . it was bound to happen, since pakistan was born in sin and at the killing fields that were created in 1947 . interestingly mohd iqbal was 2 nd generation convert . his grand father a kaul brahmin converted to islam. iqbal was a confused man who wrote muslim hain hum mahzab sara jahn hamara . vs naipaul has written a lot about muslim world in his books that gives insight into the mess islamic countries found themselves at present.iqbal despite his scholarship did not see the contradictions inherent in his faith which does not tolerate any critical view of the faith . islam in based on intolerance of other faiths and abhors any discussions of reforms and co existence with other ideologies and claims to in possession of true way to worship GOD no amount of homilies on the part of people like tarun vijay in going to convince die hards in islam.rss should confine itself to social work that is badly needed, its attempts to barge into politics is bound to fail as politics is not a game of cricket it is for scoudrels. if iam not mistaken iqbal never wrote sare jahn se acha pakistan hamara . he died before pakistan was formed . readers are free to correct me .
RE:happenings in pakistan
by Arman on Nov 06, 2007 07:08 AM Permalink
Hanek Singh
You make some very good points. RSS should confine itself to social work which it does well. They have no idea of politics especially the world politics and should not dabble in it. Even an illiterate Italian widow who can not speak native language can outsmart these dumbos. One requires brain and knowledge to communicate point of view rather than simple dislike of others.
RE:happenings in pakistan
by Arun Kumar on Nov 06, 2007 07:11 AM Permalink
well said. Politics of hate has to be defeated in India before we become another Pakistan.
RE:happenings in pakistan
by hanek singh on Nov 06, 2007 07:36 AM Permalink
it is correct. 1qbal died in year 1938, even before muslim league passed a resolution demanding pakistan in lahore
RE:happenings in pakistan
by Sanjay on Nov 06, 2007 06:58 AM Permalink
So long as punjabi terrorists keep murdering innocent Indians, kashmiris, sindhis and balochis, the subcontinent will keep burning.
Punjabi terrorists whether in India or Pakistan are the root cause of all problems in the subcontinent.
Pakistan will have to be divided along language and ethnic lines to achieve peace, otherwise the very survival of India will remain permanently endangered.
Like in personal lives, the attitude and priorities count for the countries.
Amongst Islamic countries, UAE shines as they change with times, though follow customs followed for many years. They are able to adapt. Countries like Pakistan, are influenced by people who think they are Gods, and cannot tolerate any deviation from their self righteosness. They feel theirs is the right way and they are are carried way to such an extent that they think they have direct access to Allah.
Countries that succeed have no baggages to carry and they have strict rule of law & discipline. Even China, once steeped in ideology, have understood that there is no substitute for hard work. They have gone around cooperating with everybody - success of soft power.
Pakistan cannot learn its lessons, as they are mired in feudalism, religious intolerance and human lives have no value. I felt Diwali came early for them, except that they were playing with human lives. I just cannot understand a life - get up pray, have breakfast, go about killing all & sundry. They not only make their life meaningless but heap misery on others. What a contrast to their chums across the border China, which relies in relentless discipline. They have really learned their lessons of chaos from cultural revolutuion.
All these have meaning for us, as we also can go downhill if we play up democracy without limits. Ultimately, we all ahould have positive focus and rule of law as the basics.
RE:Attitude problem!
by hanek singh on Nov 06, 2007 07:04 AM Permalink
pakistanis are not close to china for idealogical reasons, but for common cause to harm india . pakis have nothing to learn all that needed to learn was to posses nuclear bomb, which they have already achieved do not ask too much from them they will perish in their own shit of thinking read to days artical in dawn mullahs and monks you have written very well . congrts
RE:Attitude problem!
by Vijay Shankar on Nov 06, 2007 07:04 AM Permalink
You summerise very nice.. unless people leave the religion at home, people cannot progress, country can only represent the people who live there. We have to wonder that these pakistanis share our blood, culture, tradition & many other things and yet see what they have become.
RE:Psuedos bash Nepal, Bhutan, Myammar (Burma)'s many anti-democratic policies. Why are they mum on Pakistan?
by Sanjay on Nov 06, 2007 07:02 AM Permalink
Not muslim vote because there is a lot of noise on bangladesh too.
The punjabis have occupied control over Indian media and they are looting the subcontinent like a pack of jackals. No one is safe from Punjabi terrorism and there will be no peace till punjabis keep getting support from anglo-americsns to divide India.
RE:Psuedos bash Nepal, Bhutan, Myammar (Burma)'s many anti-democratic policies. Why are they mum on Pakistan?
by Tathagata Mukherjee on Nov 06, 2007 07:06 AM Permalink
NDTV, N Ram.....are Punjabis? JNU psuedos are punjabis?
