quran teaches to kill non believers where ever u c them 4 th chap n there r so much voilence prescribed by muhammed, shall other's kill the muslims where ever we c them ? why we should not call quran a killer's manual ?
I can challenge you on this...you have read these lines from Quran in some...hate forum, hate web site, have heard it in RSS meetings, or heard it from a fanatic uncle...
Please read/understand your religion first, then read quran completely in english...you will understand that both are 1 with only about 2-3 % differences.
It is people like you who are responsible for the bin ladens and the paki extremists..they justify their deeds by pointing to statments and deeds like yours. SO please sober up, before you blow up this world with your mouth.
RE:quran
by dheeraj on Nov 04, 2007 02:47 PM Permalink
no other religion has so filmy excuse to produce extremists as Muslims have! i false to understand how come we believe in some things written thousands yr back! it might be right for that era, that place! not right in this era at this place. Muslims have to learn what is acceptable in todays world and have to act accordingly or they r inviting trouble for themselves. Any basic since student knows that for survival u have to adapt according to environment. U cant enter 21st century with mindset of 4th century!!
RE:TO LANCER
by adfasd asdasd on Nov 04, 2007 01:00 PM Permalink
Man Gladiator please read my comments below...
By your arguments you will not win but lose...
You may win the war of words...but you will lose many hindu brothers and they will hate Islam more..hence in the final analysis you will LOSE in a big way.
Vile hardcore saffronist hideous hindus cheer every time America kills in Muslim lands, and they consider America and the devilish dirty jews as their bosom buddies. Here is something to burst their bubble.
The overwhelming opinion of American preachers about Hinduism is that it is a hopeless darkness. And American preachers refer to Hindu Gods as disgusting abominable demons.
And talking about new buddies the dirty jews, their Talmud says idol worshippers will burn in hell in a vat of excrement for eternity.
Now think about that the next time you feel so much love for your new buddies.
RE:TO ALL HINDU HATEMONGERS WHO CHEER AMERICAN ATROCITIES AGAINST MUSLIMS
by GN on Nov 04, 2007 12:58 PM Permalink
You have to practice Yoga to understand the greatness of OM. As per Hinduism, the god is within yourself. The Head represents - Lord Shiva, The heart represents - lord Vishnu, The stomach reprsents - lord brahma.
Nobody is qualified enough to criticise the Hinduism. the modern world is not able to understand the truths written 10 thousand years before christ.
RE:TO ALL HINDU HATEMONGERS WHO CHEER AMERICAN ATROCITIES AGAINST MUSLIMS
by Riten on Nov 04, 2007 01:59 PM Permalink
Good thing is that Hinduism never said anything bad about other forms of worship.
RE:@gladiator
by lancer on Nov 04, 2007 12:59 PM Permalink
if islam is pluralistic why so much hate n voilence in countries which follow islam ? why allah is cursing pakistan which is trying to follow true islam? pakistan to gaya aur saudi mecca madian will be gone soon, watch out.
RE:@gladiator
by Gladiator on Nov 04, 2007 12:56 PM Permalink
WHAT IS MODERNIZATION ??? In Koran, every reader is given Independence to research and get benefitted, but not allowed to ADD or DELETE a verse.. I will tell you the difference between Hindus using Vedas and Muslims using Koran... Let us take the example of FOOT BALL game, the creator of the game, tells us clearly the Dos and DONTs of the game, then it is upto the Players to learn creatively by abiding the Rules.. That is what Islam says, it does not say don't do anything creative, but it says abide by the rules... In case of Hinduism, there are No clear Dos and DONTs, which meand somebosy will change the rules of the game by Handling the Ball... This is not Creativity, this is Breaking the Rules... So my suggestion, you have full Independence to Research Vedas but you dont have any authority to change, if you beleive it is a Word of God.. Hope you Understand the Difference between Creativity and Breaking a Rule...
RE:RE:@gladiator
by Riten on Nov 04, 2007 02:00 PM Permalink
Gladiator, you must first check if the game rules are logical. If your football game rule book asks to kill the opposition goal keeper and leaves it up to your 'creativity' as to how to do it, it needs some serious change.
RE:RE:@gladiator
by dheeraj on Nov 04, 2007 02:59 PM Permalink
FOR UR KIND INFORMATION ISLAM IS A MOST RECENT RELIGION! IT MEANS ALL MUSLIMS HAS SOME PAST RELIGION FROM WHICH THEY CONVERTED TO ISLAM BY FORCE OR WHATEVER. i THINK ISLAM SPREAD BECAUSE SPREADING ISLAM, CONVERTING OR KILLING PEOPLE IS JUSTIFIED QURAN AND WAS DUTY OF MUSLIMS, WHICH NO OTHER RELIGION HAS. ISLAM AS RELIGION DOES NOT ALLOW U TO SEARCH FOR TRUTH! IT DOES NOT ALLOW FOR EXPERIMENTATION! THATS Y ISLAM HAS NOT GIVE ANY THING TO HUMAN RACE EXCEPT DEATH AND DESTRUCTION. IF U GO THROUGH HADITH VERSES, THE WRITTEN MATERIAL LACK CONTINUITY,COHERENCE AN APPEARS TO BE THOUGHT PROCESS OF UNSOUND MIND, MOST PROBABLY SCHIZOPHRENIC OR BIPOLAR MANIAC! WHO WILL SLEEP WITH 13YR GIRL AFTER KILLING HER FAMILY SAME NIGHT! WHICH RELIGION ALLOWS 40 VIRGINS, ALCOHOL, FRUITS AND ABUNDANT WATER(ALL THESE THINGS R PRECIOUS IN ARABIA) AS REWARD IN HEAVEN FOR DYING FOR RELIGION CAUSE? ITS IDIOTIC RELIGION ARISING FROM IDIOTIC MIND AND IDIOTIC PLACE WHICH STILL DEPEND ON EVEN FOR BASIC TECHNOLOGY ON WESTERN COUNTRIES WHICH IT HATES TO THE CORE.LOKK AT ANY ISLAMIC COUNTRY1 ALL OF THEM ARE BACKWARD ROTTEN !ISLAM IS CURSE TO THIS EARTH! I HAVE NO DOUBT ABOUT IT! I MNOT WRITNG ALL THESE AS IF I HATE MUSLIMS, NO! I HAVE LOT MANY MUSLIMS, BUT I REALIZED THEY R GOOD BECAUSE THEY DON'T FOLLOW WAT IS WRITTEN IN QURAN !
RE:RE:@gladiator
by lancer on Nov 04, 2007 01:02 PM Permalink
ur in deep state of denial,tell me why there is no peace where ever muslims r there ? pakistan, chechenay,philliphines,indonesia,iraq,palastine,sudan,
RE:RE:RE:@gladiator
by adfasd asdasd on Nov 04, 2007 01:16 PM Permalink
tell me is peace there where other religions exist...
is there peace in US, UK, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Nepal, Korea....i am purposely not taking India's name as we have a secular democracy here, or which i am proud of.
My friend you are in a deep state of analysing muslims and islam through the eyes of communalists
RE:RE:RE:RE:@gladiator
by lancer on Nov 04, 2007 01:22 PM Permalink
Above place which u have mentioned most of them peaceful at some places the cause of voilence is not religion but where islam is involved the cause of voilence is islam.
As pakistanis have never enjoyed real freedom or democracy in their lifetime, they are not going to bother about this imposition of emergency. They have been brought to a state of slave mentality because of continuous martial law for decades after independence. Moreover they will accept anything in the name of Allah or Quron. They die like a bunch of goats in bombblasts but lack the courage to fight for a real democracy. They are a stark contrast to People of Nepal. Though a very smaller country compared to Pakistan, the Nepalis have fought tooth and nail against the Monarch and his arbitrary power and attained a democratic and secular state. Even now only a handful of Journalists and Judges are opposed to the martial law and the common man has no reaction. They didn't react when Bhutto was hanged or when Nawaz was deported or when he was again deported from airport.
Nepalis deserve to be called as citizens whereas pakistanis are only herds..
RE:pakistanis Vs Nepali Citizens
by adfasd asdasd on Nov 04, 2007 12:58 PM Permalink
Well lets not malign the pakistani people...although i do not have any soft corner for them....
But the fact is that after partition, India got an array of competent politicians who setup democracy and protected it. They also controlled the army and kept it under the democratic contraints.
In contrast Pakistan had only 1 notable politician post independence, Jinnah, and he died within a year. So their political system wa sovertaken by power hungry army.
There lies the woes of both pakistan and india...the pakistani army and ISI.
RE:pakistanis Vs Nepali Citizens
by lancer on Nov 04, 2007 01:06 PM Permalink
india politicans were good becauz they were hindu fought with british spent years in jails, they had a vision, jinna din even spend a single day in jail,he was fighting for muslims not for independence,there were nationalistic muslims like maulana abul kalam,khan abdul gafar khan, asif ali but why would they listen to such forward thinking people?islam teaches fanatism & hate so it reaps the same.any way pakistan n islam r gone.
RE:RE:pakistanis Vs Nepali Citizens
by adfasd asdasd on Nov 04, 2007 01:13 PM Permalink
Just get your history riht first my dear friend...and then maybe brush up your knowledge of Islam...
Jinnah was into the freedom struggle before even gandhi and Nehru...he was leading India's freedom struggle (both muslims and hindus were in the same India then). Yes he went to jail numerous times and also fought cases for many freedom fighters. It is only after the advent of Nehru and his rise in stature that both of them fought for the PM's post and india has to be partitioned.
I am no great supporter of anyone, but what i have stated abpve is HISTORY as it is in hundreds of books and not the history which you people concoct in your g=fanatical social circles and history which is fed to you by your peers.
If you truly think that hindu politicians are great then why do you crib and bad mouth them. My friend all that you see goign wrong in this world is because of the business and politicial ambitions of a select few...who colour everyhting with religion.
RE:pakistanis Vs Nepali Citizens
by Sivanandan nair on Nov 04, 2007 01:15 PM Permalink
So what is your common doing in their country. Why they cannot oppose and find a new leader. Leaders like Benazir, Sharif are interested only in money, then how can they serve the people and the nation.
RE:pakistanis Vs Nepali Citizens
by Virgo on Nov 04, 2007 01:04 PM Permalink
Pakitan is India's enemy number one for the past sixty years. Why shouldn't we malign them? Pakistan has been the cause for millions of deaths and suffering in the subcontinent. Hell, they killed 3 million of their own people in East Pakistan. Not to mention hundreds of thousands of Balochis, Sindhis, Seraikies and Pashtoons that they have massacred.
RE:pakistanis Vs Nepali Citizens
by adfasd asdasd on Nov 04, 2007 01:07 PM Permalink
Well you need to understand who you call as them....
If naxals kill hundreds in jharkhand and AP you and i are not responsible...
The real cuplrit is the Pak army and its ISI, supported by the US for its own narrow business needs. Pak army is completely different to its people. Unlike our Indian army that works according to the wishes of the people and its democratic setup.
RE:pakistanis Vs Nepali Citizens
by Virgo on Nov 04, 2007 01:19 PM Permalink
Are you a pakistani? You are a reasonable person. I respect your opinion but don't agree. Pakistan is an enemy nation. Most pakistanis are violently anti-indian and anti-hindu. They are ready to nuke us at the drop of a hat. If you are a pakistani, I have nothing against reasonable people like you. But most pakis are not reasonable.
RE:RE:pakistanis Vs Nepali Citizens
by Proforma Invoice on Nov 04, 2007 01:38 PM Permalink
U r only partially right. If real culprit is ISI and Pak army, they get support and backing of people of Pak. The Paki people support the militancy in Kashmir. There were donation boxes set up someyrs back in all restaurants in Paki cities and the paki people donated generously to the cause.
If India today has not developed to the extent we want it to the major cause is Pak. Its stupidity in following a policy of parity with India has caused India to spend unnecessarily on defence and armaments.
RE:RE:pakistanis Vs Nepali Citizens
by Sivanandan nair on Nov 04, 2007 01:17 PM Permalink
Virgo is right. One cannot simply close his eyes and make a night; it will be only darkness for him.
