RE:think tamils.......
by srikanth reddy on Nov 03, 2007 02:30 PM Permalink
If telugu people in tanjavoor,madurai,krishnagiri,Hosur area people will ask seperate land for them.......
RE:think tamils.......
by Vendan K on Nov 03, 2007 02:35 PM Permalink
If they are Telugu Majority .. when States were liguistically divided why was it not given to Andhra Pradesh?? I dont believe the States you mentioned are Telugu Majority ..
RE:think tamils.......
by Tamil Nadu on Nov 04, 2007 02:39 PM Permalink
Indian first my foot. We Tamils have put our lot with India for the last 60 years and what have we got? The Sinhalese are less than 20 million and they have endless military resources and we Indian Tamils have no control over any military to help our Tamil brothers.
RE:RE:think tamils.......
by Rajeev on Nov 05, 2007 05:22 AM Permalink
It was the Madras Regiment who refused to fight in front line against Pakistan in 1965. How many Tamilins are being killed in Indian Army compared to Punjab, Haryana, UP, Bihar, Andhra, Karnataka? You Tamilians do not want to join Indian army but same time you join Prabhakaran.
Tamilnadu do not have enough water to survive, it is the India (Andhra, Karnataka & rest part) every year sending grains to Tamilnadu.
RE:RE:think tamils.......
by Manjula A on Nov 05, 2007 03:03 PM Permalink
You keep saying Tamil Brothers etc. But have you, in reality, met any of them. Speak just once to one of those and then you will not say all this. Have you any idea what they say about Indian Tamils? Meet those guys in person before rushing to support them. Go to Trichy and speak with one of those Well to do Srilankan refugees. They earn here, eat here, educate their children here and speak such bad things about India. Don't be fooled by LTTE's propaganda. He is not worth being called a Tamil. Further, do you know who created LTTE in reality and for what purpose. It was the Leadership in the Indian Government which did that, clandestinely, for countering American Air Base planned at Trincomalee. Prabakaran was a stupid maniac to fall for it.
RE:think tamils.......
by Vendan K on Nov 03, 2007 08:30 PM Permalink
the discussion is public ... not amongst Indians .. Srikanth responded to me .. I responded to him .. thats it .. start your own discussion forum for private discussions
RE:RE:think tamils.......
by jay krishnan on Nov 03, 2007 10:17 PM Permalink
First try and be a good Tamilian and then worry about being a true Indian. That's the right way. Besides, who told you that this discussion forum is not for Vendan or people like him ? The talk here pertains to the entire Indegenious native people of old India. We are all the same people and the issues and cultures are inter-related. They are also people of allied racial and religious cultures. Don't get fooled by geographic and political boundaries which can fluctuate at any time. It's people like you that are creating rifts amongst our ancient peoples. Please extend your awareness or keep mum for the benefit of all our peoples.
RE:think tamils.......
by srikanth reddy on Nov 03, 2007 03:16 PM Permalink
Check the above topics iam talking about telugu people in tamilnadu..wht's ur problem in this....
RE:think tamils.......
by SEN on Nov 03, 2007 04:20 PM Permalink
srikanth reddy why telughu people asking separate telungana, plz solve first there and come to tn
RE:think tamils.......
by srikanth reddy on Nov 03, 2007 04:42 PM Permalink
Not only Telangana.... They r asking Rayalaseema,Uthara andhra(Visaka,srikakulam,vijayanagaram).
same thing is going on in Maharastra,Karanataka....
RE:think tamils.......
by srikanth reddy on Nov 03, 2007 02:45 PM Permalink
Could u know how may telugu people(telugu mother tounge) living in tamilnadu?its alomost 30%.I know abt Hosur area.In Hosur dist there are more telugu people compare to other.
During formation telugu people very Hurry ,so we lost Hosur,krishnagiri from TN and Bellary from Karanataka. Rajaji used dirty politics during that time so we lost Chennai also... Do u know wht was the meaning of Chennai and How it came?First know history or keep silent.
RE:think tamils.......
by Vendan K on Nov 03, 2007 02:46 PM Permalink
Actually Chennai belonged to Andhra and Tirupati to Tamil Nadu .. But Telugu peole wanted Tirupati .. SO Chennai remained with Tamil Nadu .. You cant have the cake and eat it ..
Even now most of the inscriptions in Tirupati are in Tamil..
RE:think tamils.......
by srikanth reddy on Nov 03, 2007 03:03 PM Permalink
If u r not Indian wht u r doing in this discussion.It's only belongs to indians.
RE:think tamils.......
by srikanth reddy on Nov 03, 2007 02:55 PM Permalink
If u find some inscriptions in walls of Tirupati u people can't tell it's belong to TN.U First read Thirupati History and then u can know that belongs to Telugu people.U acn't find a single village of tamils around thirupati up to 200 km south. Can u tell any single king who built a single mandap in thirumala? I will tell Lot of telugu kings who builted Madurai Mennakshi amma temple mandaps.......
RE:think tamils.......
by Rajeev on Nov 05, 2007 05:16 AM Permalink
Thank God and Telgu people that they took Tirupati in Andhra. Telgu people were really intelligent that they choose the Lord Venkateswara's place in their (Andhra) state.
RE:think tamils.......
by Vendan K on Nov 03, 2007 03:05 PM Permalink
discussion is about Sri Lanka .. I am a Sri Lankan .. do you have a problem reading English?
RE:think tamils.......
by Vendan K on Nov 03, 2007 03:10 PM Permalink
you started on sri lankan conflict .. so i had to respond.. go through your posts .. you started first, I responded..
I was talking about SL only .. You compared TN and Sri Lanka .. so i responded ..
LTTE can only get recongnition if they given up armed resistance and not insist on a seperate homeland. That time is up on any country allowing a bifurcation of the their territory. Intergrate is the name of the game. If they join on equal terms so be it. Even the Srilankans need to look beyond the past and intergrate all tamils on equal terms and precondition as far as they behave and remain within the rule of the land. And the silly parties in TN can stop giving them any support on issue which do not effect them directly. Only innocent people die and makes the war last longer.
RE:LTTE to give up armed resistance
by Tamil Nadu on Nov 04, 2007 02:42 PM Permalink
Simple. The government of SL needs to agree to a referendum in the North East of SL under UN supervision to ascertain if the people tradiotionally living in these areas (Tamils, Sinhalese, Muslims) want a separate nation. The people themselves solve the problem instead of India or Sri Lanka trying to solve it.
RE:LTTE to give up armed resistance
by Manjula A on Nov 05, 2007 03:07 PM Permalink
SURELY YOU ARE NOT AN INDIAN. YOU MUST HAVE COME FROM PAKISTAN. THEY MUST HAVE TAUGHT YOU THIS. THEY TEACH EXACTLY THIS TO THE PEOPLE OF JAMMU AND KASHMIR IN INDIA. AND NOW THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Violence anywhere does not solve problems. The innocents get killed, but the perpetrators thrive in the chaos, to the point of no return and live afraid of peace. Their lives are centred on uncertainty and they justify their existence on creating havoc and more violence.
Rather than indulge in mindless killing, one should cosistently expouse the cause of the injustice and exert pressure in a non violent way. Let them take a leaf out of Gandhiji and presently Dalai Lama is following that.
We all should work towards an international panel and make the UN much stronger, so that few countries do not have too much say. Whatever the drawbacks in such a system, it can be better than mindless violence. Violence begets violence and the perpetrators live in fear and finally justice catches up with them.
To attain peace and justice is not impossible, and we can all join together to strive for a much workable system than what we have. Ultimately, we should have a way of give & take. The alternative is killing & destruction on a larger scale by a minority with more potent weapons by the day, with the majority suffering.
Finally, my take is that the super ego of one person is the root cause of many killings and once that person is no more around, the problem also disappears. We should have the ability and good sense to effect changes within the system.
When Rajapakse won elections, he said he was like Dutugemunu .. Dutugemunu is a Sinhala King who killed the Tamil King and massacred so many Tamils that the river was flowing with Tamil Blood .. Karikala Chola and Raja Raja CHola avenged this in style... Actually they destroyed the Sinhala Capitals badly to teach the Sinhalese a lesson ..
Tamil Kingdom in Jaffna is an off-shoot of CHola and Pandya Chieftains ..
Now the challenge is issued .. the world must lift the ban on weapons on LTTE .. so that SL Tamils can show they are true descendants of CHola Kings and Chieftains ... Otehrwise its not a fair fight .. Only one side will die as long as there is a ban on LTTE/weapons .. Gloves are off ..
RE:Lions and Tigers
by balaji prapancham on Nov 03, 2007 02:42 AM Permalink
enna koduma saravanan??!?! where did chola pandiya and all come now dude?? what does this have to do with their ancesotrs??! !? be in today.. SL tamils are not killed... it is the LTTE topmen that are the targets!
RE:Lions and Tigers
by on Nov 03, 2007 05:03 AM Permalink
Yes. Sri Lanka is for all. LTTE is the comman enemy lets finish it and bring peace to the Island
RE:Lions and Tigers
by The Lion on Nov 03, 2007 11:42 AM Permalink
Common enemy?
Yes! Sinhala lankans are commmon emeny of Eelam (by ditching eelam Tamil) and India (by backing Pak and china while war with India and opposing India in its curisal times in Internation affairs)
RE:Lions and Tigers
by srikanth reddy on Nov 03, 2007 02:25 PM Permalink
You r telling how tamil kings fight with srilanka kings....up to this OK....
wht abt Telugu warriors(Naickers) who ruled entire tamilnadu and entire south india... Thirumala naicker and his son Viswanath naicker killed Chola kings and occupied Tanjavoor and Madhura(Madurai)
RE:Lions and Tigers
by Prakash Gomathinayagam on Nov 03, 2007 09:37 PM Permalink
Reddy gaaru, why do u want to interfere in these matters. looks like these are complicated for your little brain.
RE:Lions and Tigers
by Vendan K on Nov 03, 2007 02:38 PM Permalink
Nayakkers are modern characters after 13th century .. they only came to power because TN was week after in-fighting and Malik Kafur .. Tamils in SL are there for 2300 years or more ..
RE:theveya?
by Rajendran on Nov 03, 2007 02:39 AM Permalink
Now that you have identified who your real enemy(Prabhakaran) is, would you extend your arms to understand the problems of people in missery. Tamil ethnic group as such is not fanatics like Islamic extremists. The problem is much more than that. Lets be sensible. For me people killed in Sudan and people killed in Srilanka are the same. Lets not write like a narrow minded ignorant ones.
RE:theveya?
by Tamil Nadu on Nov 04, 2007 02:46 PM Permalink
How old is your 'Indian' identity? 60 years. The Tamil identity is thousands of years old. India is a temporary entity - Tamil is not (at least its longer lasting - till English wipes out everything else).
Dear brothers (esp. Aditya) I want to clarify certain things. Some facts FYI. 1. The problem in Srilanka is due to Sinhalese nationalism where they don%u2019t want any religion other than Buddhism and any language other than Sinhalese. 2. In early 1980s Tamils were mass murdered, raped and tortured. It was genocide to be reckoned with just like genocides happened in Germany, Turkey and Rwanda once. 3. SL govt occupied Tamil regions through force as it happened in Israel once. 4. There was/is an racial apartheid against Tamils in the universities and govt. offices. 5. To resolve this issue Tamils ask for Eelam to so that they can live in peace as they did 1000s of years with Tamils Kingdoms in northern Srilanka. 6. Most of the Sinhalese are not bad though and so are most of the Tamils. 7. It%u2019s a struggle between Sinhalese nationalistic government and a hard line Tamil separatist turned terrorist who doesn%u2019t terrorize Sinhalese commoners. 8. LTTE transformed from an irregular student%u2019s movement to a highly organized military group in 80s. 9. LTTE doesn%u2019t terrorize Sinhalese common people even though Tamils in SL themselves are affected by their policies lately. LTTE%u2019s intension is just to hit SLA and Police (almost no Tamils) and destabilize SL Govt which almost doesn%u2019t have Tamil officials. 10. The killing is mostly done by SLA on Tamil masses, and between SLA and LTTE. LTTE lost its support in Tamil Nadu greatly after the killing of Ra
RE:FYI - to my brothers
by on Nov 03, 2007 05:09 AM Permalink
Sri Lanka should be united. We all should live together. Who ever against it should be kicked out of the country..
RE:RE:FYI - to my brothers
by Tamil Nadu on Nov 04, 2007 02:56 PM Permalink
Only the British can keep Sri Lanka united because they created it. Split the country. You can't bomb them for 21 years and then keep saying Tamils are part of SL.
RE:RE:FYI - to my brothers
by on Nov 13, 2007 02:24 PM Permalink
Rajendrans poins give clear picture what is happening in Srilanka.In the name of single nation entire tamil race is suffering. Many lost their families. These wicked srilankan army has bombed schools and killed many innocent children.Rajepakshe is a crocodile having talks with our govt and at the same time asking the army to kill tamils. Even after 15 years we still talk about Rajiv killing .You want entire race to be eliminated for the sake of Rajiv. Our govt with out knowing the consequences is blindly supplying weapons and radars . These weapons will be used by srilankan army to kill our own brothers. Will you justify this.
RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by Aditya Phadnis on Nov 02, 2007 09:13 PM Permalink
In that case should be not be Diwali or Holi when Krunanidhi is met with the same fet, better so his wreched son M.K Stalin is met with the same fate???
I would add the same lines you added "He was human who rubbed a lot of people the wrong way .. I will never condone a murder .. but people can make their own judgement"
Ask any Iyer who has been kicked out of Tamilnadu, he would infact have the same exact wordings what you had for Perriyar Naiker.
I am emotional about Rajiv Gandhi or the Congress. The question is if a former Indian Prime Minister is assasinated by a terrorist organisation, its not about Rajeev Gandhi, its about an "FORMER INDIAN PRIME MINISTER".
Any organasition which assasinates an former Indian PM becomes a terrorist organisation and automatically an enemy of India, more so any individual who supports those actions, also become a supporter of terrorists and terrorist organsations.
RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by Aditya Phadnis on Nov 02, 2007 09:24 PM Permalink
By the way and for your info the whole of India knows about M.K Stalin and his unpunished crime of commiting a r@pe on a Television anouncer years back. Yet people from Tamilnadu wish to make him the CM shows their intelect. On one hand they have some false, mythical and damb squib stories about the IPKF and its attrocities and the r@pers and all the bunch of lies, on the other hand they aspire to make a r@pist a CM of Tamilnadu???
RE:RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by Bhakar Chatopadyaya on Nov 05, 2007 12:02 AM Permalink
when killer modi can become cm why cannot stalin become cm?
RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by S Ramanathan on Nov 02, 2007 11:41 PM Permalink
While I do not agree with the opinion that Iyers have been virtually driven out of TN, (I have travelled widely in TN.) I do agree that there is significant hostility against them and this can indeed be traced to Periyar. I do feel the attitude "get out and stay out" for the Iyers most strongly in TN. Even in Mumbai (which did have an agitation against Tamils), they are treated like normal people.
The current CM is certainly not helping. I do get the feeling that in general, the people in TN are nice. However, the wrong groups are significantly more vocal (this sounds familiar?) and powerful. Case in point is Shankaracharya's arrest. This could happen because he is a soft target and can be kept confined indefinitely without proof! THIS CAN HAPPEN ONLY IN TN. OK, some would point out that it was Jayalalitha who arrested him. Granted, but I do not see Karunanidhi or any DMK person change it. Their glee is unmistakable. To understand, ask any person who saw SUN TV braodcasts (controlled by DMK at least then) and the lalnguage they used while referring to the Shankaracharya.
While I understand the sentiment that LTTE is empowering Tamils who were discriminated against, his handling of Tamils with opposing opinions within SL is barbaric and cannot be compared to our freedom fighters(Netaji or Bhagat Singh or Kattabomman). Even the so called Sikh extremists started to see reason and the hatred got tempered and terrorism is a much smaller problem. Discounting all the above,
RE:RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by S Ramanathan on Nov 02, 2007 11:47 PM Permalink
Continued from my previous post...
Discounting all the above, the fact that LTTE was responsible for killing our elected leader is sufficient for me to oppose them. In fact, this would be true in most countries but not India. India traditionally has had soft corneres for all the people right or wrong. The good effect is that paradoxically, Iran and Iraq are India's friends, Syria, Lebanon, the Gulf states and Israel are India's friends. Almost any ethnic group settled in India did well and chose to settle here.
The bad effect is however, that it is easy for Indian enemies to get sympathisers within India. This tendency of Indians may be right or wrong, but in my books, any organization that kills a publicly elected person cannot be supported. Even if somebody kills Karunanidhi, taht person would have to be opposed because regardless of my personal opinion, after all, he was elecetd by the public.
RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by Mahesh Margam on Nov 03, 2007 12:40 AM Permalink
Just coz Netaji or Bhagat Singh or Kattabomman fought for ur freedom, you can accept them. The same way the sl tamils will see prabhakaran as you see Netaji or Bhagat Singh or Kattabomman. Think in their shoees.
Nobody cares for your personal like or dislike. The point is what India did to SL tamils is wrong and they have given back what rajiv needed, in full.
So just down come everytime that they killed rajiv, they killed army and all those sob stories....
RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by S Ramanathan on Nov 03, 2007 09:41 AM Permalink
First, if you want to support any group that is against the nation, it is your opinion. As for booth capturing etc., this was most certainly not true for Rajiv Gandhi (About KK etc., I do not know). In fact, he had a huge majority (Maybe due to a sympathy wave but anyway, it is impossible to fake a 4/5th majority by booth capturing). What should I do? Support every mercenary who is obviously killing left and right against my country? You may find excuses/reasons to do so, but not me. Every terrorist obviously would have some kind of sob story and gets some support somewhere.
Of course, your point about politicians is well explained and maybe people being quiet is the problem. However, killing a prime minister is serious (however bad, the country is destabilized) and overlooking that while supporting Prabhakaran who has killed Tamil people too is not for me. Of course, opinions would differ.
RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by Mahesh Margam on Nov 03, 2007 12:34 AM Permalink
Are you sure that the so called elected politicians are real elected by the people? If so then I might agree with you....
But the sad reality is that the politicians elect themselves by booth caputring, goondas, bribing and fals proclaimation. And rajiv was brought into power not coz he was selfless and next viable candidate in place of his mother. They just wantred someone from that family to be in the top poistion.
And it is coz of these false politicians people like you and me are suffering with high taxes and prices hikes. These bloody idiots will loot anything and everything possible.
Didn't you see what happend in Madurai during elections and during dinamalar fiasco? How can you still say people have elected KK? He just got himself in CM's position by goondas. To be a leader he must lead by example. His sons satlin and alakiri should be life sentecnced for their criminal activities.
Just coz someone is in power I can't agree he is a saint. Infact just coz of these killings have kept this so called elected public servants quiet. Otherwsie they wud have mass killed whoever they dislike.
Don't support the bloody politicians. To most people in India, they are the unmasked robbers/thieves...
RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by senthil kumar on Nov 02, 2007 10:39 PM Permalink
It means sikhs also enemy of the nation is it so, because they killed Former P.M Indira Gandhi in assination, hey comanya, don't be behave silly.
You NORTH INDIANS don't think that you are ruling entire India.
RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by Anup Nair on Nov 03, 2007 08:58 PM Permalink
Right arguments, senthil.
Rajiv should not have poked his nose in SL affaiirs. He shud not have sent his army to rape the tamil women.
I am sure any sensible Indian PM would think twice before sending an army to SL against Tamils.
But to be honest, I would like the Indian army to be sent to SL against theses fascist sinhalese. I am sure though the brothers of the sinhalese, the RSS BJP gang would not let that happen, neither the now-clever congress.
RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by Aditya Phadnis on Nov 02, 2007 10:52 PM Permalink
who is a north Indian here ???
I am not.
If you wish to classify everybody else in India as North Indian, that shows ur poor intlelect and poor knowledge of Geography. Look at the Map of India, see that it has 4 regions North, South, East, West. It has 28 states, it has 17 languages.
So if you wish to put everybody I mentioned in the North Indian category, I would just do one thing..PITY YOU AND YOUR POOR KNOWLEDGE.
RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by Jackson on Nov 02, 2007 09:18 PM Permalink
So it would have been better, if the Sri Lankan Sailor had succeeded in killing Rajiv?
Then you wouldnt be emotional. After all he is not a terrorist ..
Rajiv is a PM/Ex PM of India not SL .. He had no business to poke his nose everywhere ... If you s-it at your neighbours house .. expect the s-it to come back to your doorstep.
Jackson, If the Lankan sailor had indeed suceeded in his motive, India would have indeed done what a country would do if its head of state was assainated in a foreign country. Even the Lankans knew that and they were even more scared at that outcome. Do read some issues of the magazne Frontline on that if you wish to get more info.
RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by Jackson on Nov 02, 2007 09:31 PM Permalink
That sailor was made an MP (member of parliament) ... even today he is considered a SInhala hero .. do a bit of google or visit youtube ..
Most Indians supported the Sinhalese sailor .. I was a schoolboy in Adyar then ..
Jackson are there any Brahmins left in Tamilnadu ??????
I doubt your propangadistic talk. See its a common sentense since Perriyar started the facist anti Brahmin movement. Now you dont even have them in single or decimal digits to support your argument.
Show me the sumbers from census of India, and not DMK numbers to support your argument about that many Brahmins in Tamilnadu.
Brahmin numbers in Tamilnadu in rural areas have dropped even below the decimal mark, in cities like Madras may be just 2 % of the whole city population. May be you are mistaking sombody else to be Brahmins. You dont have any of those left now there .
RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by Jackson on Nov 02, 2007 09:36 PM Permalink
People in Adyar are mainly the higher caste brahmins etc.., and they felt it was OK for a SInhala soldier to kill or attempt to kill Rajiv Gandhi ..
But lowly Tamils shouldnt .. That is my disgust and today I take a hardline view on Tamil Nationalism...
RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by Prakash Gomathinayagam on Nov 03, 2007 09:41 PM Permalink
Tamils (brahmins) kicked out ?. Good story. Who is the author ?
RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by deecee on Nov 03, 2007 12:23 AM Permalink
And who is resonsible for the death of 5000 indian soldiers of IPKF.And Shah Bano case and BOFORS. But we have a chowk and many prestigious monuments for such a great person.Gandhi and Nehru will continue to haunt this land.
