Let's talk rationally. What people today sent to the trash is the pimps, crooks, corrupt, ass lickers and icons of bad governence. All they had to talk about was keeping BJP out of power and there by doing a social and national service. The best form of service is serving the human with out any discrimination. SP lost their head after winning the elections. BJP flares up the communel sentiment to gain votes, BSP throttles the cast sentiment to garner support. The issues to be discussed are infrastructure developments, quality education, timely quality medical care, clean environment, generating employment, good roads, security in all forms to all human beings and atleast a square meal for those farmers who grow the grains for us. Dear Mayawatiji please understand there are so may human issues in your land than the taj and your laundry list of "things to do in ur b'day bash".
This time the benefit of negative vote went to BSP.The reason being the voters did not any any contender other than Mayawati to Mohamad Mulayam.The upper caste were deadly against Mulayam who was Asari friendly and Atma Ram friendly BJP on the other hand was very confused to project anyone as cheif minister and all the top five banged their own drum in the election and lacked the uniform code of conduct. BSP being the Natural other option got elevated resulting Mayawati to make a history.
2. I don;t understand much of UP caste politics, but my friends from Uttar Pradesh say, Congress is finished. Huge surge of Mayavati will wipe out Congress from North India, Maharashtra.
3. I do hope she provides Good governance, free of gunda, terrorist raj, a decent development.
4. All power to Mayavati who unites castes instead of dividing them.
5. Ascent of Dalits to power will strengthen Sanskritization process.
The cat is out of bag.Congress was thinking that Rahul Gandhi is its trumph card.Now the reality of congress has open.the limitations and the capacity of so called Yuvaraj of Congress are exposed.Now it is quite clear that neither Sonia and now,nor Rahul can win elections for congress.The parties which are supporting congress at the centre should think or rethink their support to congress.Tehy projected Rahul as their saviour in UP.now they have lost.So losing UP elections is sole responsibity of Rahul and Sonia.They should be blamed for that.
New Delhi: With his party leader having conceded defeat in Uttar Pradesh, the always-ready-with-a-quote Samajwadi Party general secretary Amar Singh Friday for once made himself inaccessible.
Singh, who was seen Thursday afternoon in Parliament Central Hall exchanging pleasantries with his friends Arun Jaitley of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and Rajya Sabha MP Rahul Bajaj, gave media the slip as the poll results began trickling early Friday.
His inexplicable disappearance came soon after his scathing attack on the ruling Congress following raids on the companies and residence of his close friend Ashok Chaturvedi, chairman of Uflex (formerly Flex Industries), and Himachal Futuristic Communications Ltd's (HFCL) former director Vinay Maloo on Thursday.
Singh pointed out that the raids were "coercive" methods by the Congress government and put on a brave front saying: "If they want to raid me or Mulayam Singh, they are more than welcome to do that. We are not afraid or apprehensive of the Congress' coercive measures."
Singh chose to lock himself up in his official bungalow, refusing to come out, with his doctor informing the huge crowd of media personnel that he was not keeping well and had been advised rest.
Probably realising that political equations are bound to change with Bahujan Samaj Party (BSP) leader Mayawati storming back to power, Singh, his confidants say, may be contemplating his future moves.
Right through the election campaign, Mayawati had vowed to send Mulayam Singh Yadav, Amar Singh and Raja Bhaiyya of Tunda to jail on charges of corruption and criminality if she formed a government.
For a man who has never shied away from the press, come hell or high water, Amar Singh this time around probably wanted his moments of solitude.
RE:Hindu unity ki jai ho
by abhishek dwivedi on May 11, 2007 11:03 PM Permalink
there is nothing abt hindu unity in this man... let me help u understand this. BSP and SP has a vote bank(caste based) that is sure going to follow BSP/SP(irrespective of the candidate).And if BSP/SP gives ticket to an other caste candidate(say BSP giving it to any Brahmin or Yadav, SP giving it to any Brahmin/Dalit) then there comes an additional vote bank for them.The point here is SP is too much guided by Amar Singh, who supports Thakur's.Yadav are already with SP and Muslims(not sure of now)too.So there remains brahmins to be taken in.Here the diff btw Maya and Mulayama was that Mayawati was early to pick this and we see the result.And thats why we see a loss for both SP and BJP.Also for confirmation of my point when u see the list of successfull candidate, please the list of Brahmins in BSP. Sorry to say friend...this caste based politics is going too deep now.Lets see where it stops.
RE:Hindu unity ki jai ho
by r patil on May 11, 2007 11:14 PM Permalink
agreed with you but I think next time mayawati will ask vote for hindtuva and will even get many yadav and thakur votes too. she will open a new chapter by stopping the minority politics. That's what hindus want dint we
1) Getting Brahmins ( and other upper castes ) co-opted to bring Dalits forward. This would ensure good brahmin and kayastha IAS officers do a good job of running the administration rather than corrupt caste based officers supported earlier by Mulayam. 2) Protection of bother upper castes and dalits from vicious middle castes who are extremely criminal oriented. 3) End of minority votebank politics. Mulayam could do nothing with all the muslim votes he gathered. 4) End of Ram Mandir movement and introspection by BJP as to why upper castes supported Mayawati than BJP. 5) Rajnath Singh is a poor leader and I think these elections will end his reign. Better leaders like Advani , Jetly , Sushma Swaraj will come up 6) Rahul Gandhi is hot air. Priyanka is a better bet.
RE:Beginning of a Golden era
by Inadvertently Human on May 11, 2007 10:45 PM Permalink
Ravi, 16 of 17 Brahmin MLAs have been faithful to her. Brahmins never create any problems and its the middle castes like OBC, MBC and BCs that create the violence against Dalits and Brahmins together. This might mark the beginning of the era where the Brahmins and dalits work toegher to protect Hinduism from radical forces. I agree with Anurag.
RE:Beginning of a Golden era
by Anurag Shrivastava on May 11, 2007 10:50 PM Permalink
the fear of the "yadavas" will keep them united for a long time. Mulalayam will push for Yadav- Muslim votes even more aggressively now which will be counter-productive. The Brahmins now realise what it is to be having a Dalit like status. But then as you said things can always change but my money for next 8-10 years is that this will hold.
RE:Beginning of a Golden era
by puneet bhatnagar on May 11, 2007 10:47 PM Permalink
Absolutely agree with you.. its a tremendous arrangement between dalits who are exploited on caste basis and harmless group of upper caste who are exploited on political basis.. a leader from backward caste like mayawati is much much better than spineless upper caste leaders..
BEFORE I USED TO MAKE FUN OF PEOPLE OF UTTAR PRADESH BUT THEY HAVE SHOWN MORE MATURITY THAN DEVELOPED STATES LIKE MAHARASHTRA TAMIL NADU KARNATAKA ETC..
RE:RE:Beginning of a Golden era
by on May 11, 2007 11:04 PM Permalink
Dear Anurag,
If Bjp wants to come out of shit firstly it has to stick to basics and second you have to have leaders who are percievd as committed to the basics 1.Ecconomy 2.Hindustan 3.BJP should stop thinking that only UP can give the leader.
It has to recognize the fact that narendra Modi is the leader who can galvanize things and revive BJP but BJP has to apologize to people When people bought them to power these felows wnted to go and sit in the lap of muslims.
Good to see that hindus rejected the hate politics of BJP. I dont know how the rediff readers going to handle this. Most of the rediff readers are BJP followers and full of hatred.
RE:BJP Rejected
by Inadvertently Human on May 11, 2007 10:36 PM Permalink
even Mayavathi has said she wants her voters to vote for BJP during parliment elections. BJP should win and establish a Hindu rastra. There are over 900 million Hindus world-wide and we need a Hindu nation. If u want secularism there are so many nations around. why not immigrate there? Leave India to Hindus and get ur minority butts outta here.
RE:BJP Rejected
by Anurag Shrivastava on May 11, 2007 10:40 PM Permalink
You must be an odd lunatic who wants a Hindu nation. Very few Hindus want Hindu nation because Hindutva is a secular creed which allows independence of whether to worship one of 33 crore gods or not worship them at all. Hinduism supports multiple philosophies and is not like other fanatical , underdeveloped religions which have their popes and mullahs.
RE:RE:BJP Rejected
by Inadvertently Human on May 11, 2007 10:42 PM Permalink
Agreed that Hinduism is inherently secular. But evangelical Christianity and Islam is vehemently opposed to secular idea so we need to ensure that India is a Hindu rastra to protect secularism. Otherwise innocent people will be killed/converted by radical Islammic and Christian groups. What say?
RE:BJP Rejected
by Rohit on May 11, 2007 11:04 PM Permalink
If > 1000 years of Muslim Christian rule left India filled with 800 Million Hindus, why do you think those 800 million will SUDDENLY start converting under Democratic rule? Show a little more faith in Hinduism and stop being so insecure about your religious identity.
If Hindus are so keen on a Hindu India why has the BJP been elected ONCE in SIXTY YEARS? I am sure even the most rabid saffron-chaddi-wearing simian must know that MOST HINDUS have repeatedly rejected their hate-filled ideology.
RE:BJP Rejected
by r patil on May 11, 2007 11:23 PM Permalink
India is not going to remain Demoratic once muslim become majority .IF you have eyes look at the state od pakisthan and bangladesh even they were part of india and hindu majority just few decades back.Where are those hindus now Rahul ?
RE:BJP Rejected
by Anurag Shrivastava on May 11, 2007 10:46 PM Permalink
Ban conversion to these religions if you must because if some Hindu wants to worship Jesus or Allah - I do not see a problem and he does not need to convert- but for heavens sake do not become like them... and not too many conversions are happening anyway now. Also - with Dalit empowerment - there will no incentive to convert.
RE:BJP Rejected
by Inadvertently Human on May 11, 2007 10:56 PM Permalink
If a person wants to convert, it is pro-choice and he/she should have the right to convert. I believe in faith and freedom. However, historically Islam and Christianity have showed signs to intolerance towards other religion. Hindus hav embraced Sikhs, Parsees, Zorostrians, Jews, Christians and Mohammadians. It is only the evengelical christians and Islam that creates the problembecause of their faith and intolerance. recently, due to the rise of Islam in Malaysia, Hindu Temples are being destroyed and forcible conversions are taking place. 50 or 100 or 500 years from now, if ur religion preaches intolerance, other groups are always in jeopardy because of that. Hindutva is the right answer to India to protect secularism.
RE:BJP Rejected
by r patil on May 11, 2007 10:56 PM Permalink
You are wrong Anurag most of the hindus want India to be hindu nation.Hindu nation does not mean banning other religions ,it means proudly Identifiying nation's soul to be hindu.Look at world most powerful secular nation even they have IN GOD We Trust slogan and their president does not shys way from proclaiming to be christain and invoking Jesus blessings in all wars
RE:BJP Rejected
by Jayan KR on May 11, 2007 10:54 PM Permalink
dear 'inadvertently human' friend....the majority of the people thrown the CD of BJP into oblivion. the top leaders of BJP are educated but thought they can get more vote by playing teh game that british played. India will never be a hindu rashtra...but a shining example in the world for secularism and persuing modern principle. a societies charm lies in inclusion of various communities and allowing them to come to the for front. if religion not merrit was counted we could have never had a missile ....an intelligent man as a president. i am proud to be a hindu. but i am proud to be in a secular india and not a hindu rashtra. anurag is an example ,...and there are many a million hindus who have the same ideology
RE:RE:BJP Rejected
by r patil on May 11, 2007 11:01 PM Permalink
Hinduism = secularism The moment hidus in India become minority ,this great nation will soon become anti-secular nation.You can just google for secularism and christainty and secularism and islam and see with your own eyes the hate christains and muslim have for secularism.Dont go by what I ndian christains and muslim say they are going to be forced to change their stand once christain and muslim become majority.
RE:BJP Rejected
by Inadvertently Human on May 11, 2007 11:04 PM Permalink
Jayan, for God's sake if you are a Hindu just shut up and let India become a Hndu rastra. No one forces u to worship Hindu Gods and practise our Dharma. Over 100 Million innocent lives have been lost in the past 1000 years of Islamic Moghul rule and Chrisian British rule. Hinduism is more than religion and is a way of life where everyone has choice and freedom. So may be u can redefine Hinduism in ur dictioinary as one of the political 'isms' that guarentees secularism, democracy and freedom.
What is rwong with having a Hindu nation? More than christians and Muslims, it is the half-baked ppseudo-secular nincompoops that create problems in India. up urs with ur Nehruvianism and socialism.
RE:BJP Rejected
by Ramasubramaniam Iyer on May 11, 2007 11:06 PM Permalink
Hindu Rashtra and do what,,, Dont forget we Hindus also have Murdered each other for years long. No Sir... I am happy with Nepal being a Hindu Rashtra..Not India. India for Ages has been a land of different ways of thinking all living together but occassional murdering each other. I can live with that. I dont want anybody poking their bloody noses into my personal affairs under pretext of religion I dont have a problem if Muslims/Christians/Buddhists/Jains/Sikhs and Hindus are our rulers as long as no one bothers me in my day to day life.
RE:Doesn't Matter....
by Malathi U on May 11, 2007 10:53 PM Permalink
I agree with you. We have positive feelings for Dalits or Buddhists, but not Chatholics or Muslims as they always hate us
