Can any one in this forum inform me about what happened to Octavio Quattarochi . sorry to be out of subject but i don't know any news about that trial from our "progressive" media. so put it in what could be most relevant forum.
RE:what happened
by Chhagan Bhujbad on May 14, 2007 09:20 AM Permalink
@ Qadir, can you email me your message to chhaganbhujbad@rediffmail.com... I just want to find out why did Rediff.com block your message. This website is a piece of shit. And the news don't even make sense.
We need Shri Govindacharya who is going thro' ill health to reover quickly. Let 100s of Govindacharya florish who will bring up those dalits, oppresed Hindus and give them proper place in larger Hindu society.
RE:UP Politics
by TOTAL TRUTH on May 14, 2007 07:15 AM Permalink
YOU ARE MISTAKEN YOU CAN SEE AMAR SINGH IN HIS SO CALLED BROTHERS PLACE AMITHABH RAI (BACCHAN)
I know it is out of context of the column but couldn't stop wondering what happened to the party floated by Vee Pee (ing) Singh- the worst PM India ever had and Raj Babbar? How many seats did the party win?
RE:BRAHMIN vs DALIT
by vijay on May 13, 2007 11:15 PM Permalink
reddy,thevar,jat .et.c VL learn their lesson when time comes, nobody can escape. There is perfect accountin system in the universe. It's not the end of the world. It's not over till it's over. Regarding, Brahmins: what is brahmin?? It's role in the society. Proctically they r no brahmins(preists), ksatriyas(rulers) and vaishyas(merchants) now, as particular people are not playing those roles. Now all Indians are playing the Role called sudras. The momemnt u voilate the rules of the ROLE, u no longer playing that role. Why do u talk abt the things happened in the past. Let the past be past. Any problem?
RE:BRAHMIN vs DALIT
by vijay on May 13, 2007 11:09 PM Permalink
reddy,thevar,jat .et.c VL learn their lesson when time comes, nobody can escape. There is perfect accountinf system in the universe. It's not the end of the world. It's not over till it's over. Regarding, Brahmins: what is brahmin?? It's role in the society. Proctically they r no brahmins, ksatriyas and vaisais now, as particular people are not playing those roles. Now all Indians are playing the Role called sudras. The momemnt u voilate the rules of the ROLE, u no longer playing that role. Why do u talk abt the things happened in the past. Let the past be past. Any problem?
RE:BRAHMIN vs DALIT
by vijay on May 13, 2007 11:42 PM Permalink
Do you have any idea who r all the groups vl be screwed in the feature. Those groups which screwed innocent groups vl be screwed too, only matter of time....
RE:RE:BRAHMIN vs DALIT
by chalu prasad sadhu on May 13, 2007 10:31 PM Permalink
yeh sab log 50th floor se sucide kare ya phir demonstration kare brahmin ko kyoi bhi nahi hara sakta....
Brahmins are born talented,they share knowledge,they are not born with golden spoonor silver spoon they work hard (example Naryan Murthy of Infosy,Tendulkar,Dravid etc).
And not every Brahmin believes in caste system.Hardly 5% Of brahmins thinks about dalit as lowert caste !
RE:BRAHMIN vs DALIT
by vijay on May 13, 2007 11:54 PM Permalink
In the past, one group called Brahmins created a system called casted which devided the society. Long back Brahmins commited huze blunders indirectly. This caste system created beggers/poor people. Education was monoplized by Brahmins. Current Brahmins are enjoying the foundation led out by the primitive brahmins. Brahnins used thread tied to their body to control negetive emotions. Others in the country were not allowed to use such mind control techniques. Brahmins are not special . they were given a job, Primitive brahmins did it. In the same way group in the society was given a job they did it too. Caste is the root cause of all problems in india. Few groups got benifited and more groups could not benefit from the caste. Current brahins say they r innocents but their ancestors made blunders indirectly/some times directly. these Naryan Murthy of Infosy,Tendulkar,Dravid etc use mind control techniques and do the job. They r not special. Current Brahmins maybe ooook but not certainly premitive Brahmins
I am a Financial Analyst and i am good at it.I am good at analyis and FYI.. what if i say that BSP =BJP in next 2 years?? People will be shocked when RSS will back BSP,and mayawati will make vanishing act from BSP just wait and watch.Dont underestimate brahmins.. Chanakiya padho aur phir forum pe discussion karne aaoo..
It is fools like you who sees Brahmins falling into trap its vice a versa!!! Ab Dekhna within 2 years Mayawati ki GILLI kaise jati hai!! game and match to BRAHMINS!!!
RE:BRAHMIN vs DALIT
by chalu prasad sadhu on May 13, 2007 10:16 PM Permalink
and not to forget it was BRAHMIN TEACHER WHO HELPED MR BHIM RAO AMBEDKAR HE HELPED HIM FOR HIS STUDIES AND TEACH HIM ABOUT JUSTICE!!! HAHAH FOOLISH DALITS CANT SEE GAMPEPLAN OF POLITICAL PARTIES !!!
RE:BRAHMIN vs DALIT
by manoj kumar on May 13, 2007 10:29 PM Permalink
Mayavati is a result of Reservation ...Perhpas you fool dont understand. Not all dalits require brahimns for anything othet than using them like Mayavati has done. Now Brahmins are going to be 21-st centuries's vote bank :)....Great going ...!
RE:BRAHMIN vs DALIT
by Errampalle Jawahardatham on May 13, 2007 10:42 PM Permalink
I am not a supporter of reservations. At the same time recommend reservations to the really needy--but not the way the present day politicians distributed the reservations cake like the way Europeans shared Africa in the 18th century.
Here are my answers to the points you raised:
1. You are right. It is not the Brahmin who expliot Dalits. It is the other landlord and martial upper castes do the most. Brahmin is wrongly implicated. This is due to prpaganda by some ignorant people. 2. Brahmins seldom stopped Dalits from getting educated. It is the others who are active in doing that. 3. But here you need some empathy. Dalits being subjected to continuous expliotation could not develop the necessary culture and mindset needed to compete with other. 4. Anyway here the concept of serving Hinduism is not the point of discussion. We are discussing only from the social justice point of view. 5. That is more out of habbit or tradition. Brahmin should be happy that Dalits still seek their priesthood. 6. It is a fact that Brahmins contributed for the education and several other good things in India. Now show some generosity. If they are accusing you, you give them blessings. They will soon realise.
Don't be antipathic towards Dalits. They are not competing with Brahmins. They want some fair deal and treatment. It is some poiticians who created the myth that Brahmin is the father of caste system. In fact, all are collectively responsible for the growth of this evil system. So let us together root out this system instead of pointing finger at each other and wasting energy.
RE:RE:BRAHMIN vs DALIT
by Errampalle Jawahardatham on May 13, 2007 11:00 PM Permalink
Dear howisthat, below I have listed my suggestions FOR A PERMANENT SOLUTION:
TODAY WE ARE LIVING WITH TWO EVILS--CASTE SYTEM AND RESERVATION SYSTEM
Most important thing is there is need to raise the cultural, confidence and thinking levels of the weaker sections. They should be trained how to compete and how to improve their motivation level. They should given some out of the curriculum training, which should include communications skills, English language skills, personality development, etc.
Simply distributing quotas for different castes does not bring any permanent change. These disparities will continue further prolonging the reservation system. People who are very weak need reservations. But that should not be a pre-planned permanent thing.
Caste system is an evil. To undo that evil reservations were created. But, today, thanks to our politicians, we are living with two evils--caste system and reservation system.
We need more scientific and systemmatic approach to reform the caste system.
The following principles should be followed:
1. Religion-based reservations should be stopped. 2. Caste-based reservations should be given only to those who are really discriminated, irrespective of religion. 3. Even among the so-called discriminated sections economically better off people should be brought under general category. 4. Caste may be mentioned in the applications forms only if someone from weaker sections desires reservations. No caste need to be mentioned for open category candidates. 5. If a Dalit or OBC voluntarily opts to be in general category then he and his children can come into general category. No caste needs to be mentioned in future. 6. Reservations should taper off like a pyramid as we go up towards higher education. 7. It should be made mandatory for those who opt for reservations to attend government or charity sponsored personality-cum-communication skills development programs and exams
PS: The above are my personal opinions. Some of the above written things may need improvements or corrections.
Why is this discussion about a Lady called Mayawati happenning any way - who is she - just not more different than poolan devi - but an educated poolan devi
Why are peoples like u supporting her and procaliming that there are more stupid people than her being yourselves.
Whats the big deal if she has won the election - she fooled the people of UP as they are all fools who vote for her.
What does she say about doing justice and bringing peace? Dear caste crazy people before you subscribe to her views why dont you people put your dumb head into some research about this so called saviours of yours and then decide should you people really support her or no.
RE:redifff is becoming worst day by day and it is abusing my post as well
by yugal gajendra on May 14, 2007 12:21 AM Permalink
u r absolutely correct.i do agree with u.
I Know IIItians have formed a party in UP. Where are they ? I know they can not do miracle in a short time but did they try their best to convey message to masses ? Or they got burried in Dirty politgics ?
RE:Where is the the party from IITians
by kakkaji kahin on May 13, 2007 10:14 PM Permalink
they lost badly, they had 10 candidates and all could only manage to get 3000 votes in total
It is sad that UP ppl have no choice.As all 4 leaders of major political parties viz SP,BSP,BJP & Congress are plunders of wealth,they harbour goondas and terrorits,exploits Muslims and dalits in name of votes.
Tell me which dalit leader has worked for dalits after becoming CM? we all know what Sinde did after he was CM of maharastra.Which political leader has worked for betterment of Muslims??? None Instead they work for those corrupt Goondas like Raju bhaiya and terrorits like AZAM khan.
people should vote for leaders who have vision.Dont be loyal to political party,be loyal to leaders who have vision.
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RE:RE:Save India by Pradeep Punjabi on May 13, 2007 08:27 PM Bull Bhaiya, Bull Bhaiya.. Please dont write name of Narendra Modi and Abdul Kalam in the same line for God's sake.
I may be off the subject but since you have mentioned shinde's name , congress is planning to propose his name for presidentship. Lo kar lo Baat...
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RE:Save India by BullsandBears on May 13, 2007 08:36 PM Mr pradeep hate it or love it! but Narendra Modi is admired by youths of India.2002 happened due to various reasons and its better if we dont go into details as this is not the right place.Narendra Modi has vision.Try to go to Gujarat and you will be amazed to find yourself in India!!!! He has not even spared his own BJP MPS if they are found to be corrupt! and that is reason hes is most hated person in India.
He has vision and he is one of the visionary that Gujarat has produced time and again.
When ppl of UP,Bihar and other states are fighting over whos best BJP,SP or BSP,Gujrat people are enjoying the economic reforms of State govt.And i am not supporter of BJP nor are the 5 cr gujjus.They support development.Just compare Gujrat with other state and you will see difference.Btw,maharastra minus mumbai is as good as UP.courtsey Sinde raj
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RE:RE:Save India by BullsandBears on May 13, 2007 08:45 PM It is just coincidence that Modi happens to be BJP man.I bet if he forms another political party,ppl oF gujarat will vote for that party and his team.His core team is doing wonders for state and in turn for India.
So come out of this MODI phobia and look into development he has ushered in.Gujarat was already developed before Modi but what MOdi has done is,he has propelled Gujarat among Top countries of world.He rightly said Gujarat will compete with other countries and not among States of India.
Karnatka was better with Sm krishna Ap was better with Naidu Kerela with Ak anthony
:RE:Save India by Pradeep Punjabi on May 13, 2007 08:50 PM Dear Bull, I may agree with you on developement part. I have not been to Gujrat so no comments on that. My concern was due to his high handedness (the word Gundagardi will be proper here) in the state that led to killings of so many innocents. Media confirms it, all know it. well it is your point of view...
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RE:Save India by BullsandBears on May 13, 2007 09:00 PM There is no Gundagardi in Gujarat! have u ever heard of incident like Nandigram? Nithari ? Lockout in any industry?
If you are talking about 2002 i am sorry to say that you dwell into past too much
And if you think killing of terrorist by Vanzara is gundagardi than i pity your ignorance.
Women and girls are more safer in Gujarat.And above all,various religions like Sikh,Jain,Bhuddists,Paris,Hindus and Muslims are happy and peacful.Dont bring 2002 again and again.
Moderate mulisms of Gujarat have now confessed that Hatred of muslims in gujarat was due to silence of Moderators.And media is busy projecting about 2002!! no wonder rest of India is still in 2002 riots and Gujarat has propelled to 2015 and beyond!!!! Keep up with 2002 VISION and keep up with arguing whos best party,meanwhile Gujarat will march ahead.
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RE:RE:Save India by BullsandBears on May 13, 2007 09:06 PM Mr pradeep,who told you that all ppl killed were INNOCENT? i agree some of them killed were innocents but not all!
And talking about 2002(as you are interested in 2002),what was profile of MOBS??
MOBS comprised of all major religions Hindus,Sikhs,Bhuddists,Jains,Paris etc.Mobs comprised of all castes.Mobs comprised of all economic strata.Mobs comprised of all people of india who have migrated to Gujarat(there were bengalis,kerelites,marwaris,kannadigas,teleguites,biharis,panjabis,marathis etc).
So first understand why 2002 happened.It was not state sponsored.Because what ppl and media have failed to analyse is the profile of MOBS
If you study profile ,you will come to know that it was collective anger of comman mass of ppl against Terroists.And i do agree that this collective MOBS harmed few innocents but than why didnt Muslims come out and condemned Terrorists??? They realized their mistake and now scenario has changed.Muslims are also part of development and there is no more hatred inGujarart
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RE:RE:Save India by Red Planet on May 13, 2007 09:13 PM Mr. Bull You are correct. Thnaks for logical comment.
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RE:Save India by ravi on May 13, 2007 09:26 PM I think narendra modi and chandra babu naidu are best leader in country .. they have given employment to people both state are getting new height of development every year .( although there is always black spot in every one carrier ) . but overall these are leader of country
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RE:Save India by true on May 13, 2007 09:07 PM NARENDER MODI is killer of thousand of innocent person .. he is biggest enemy of india . if he beocme prime minister another pakistan will formed .
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REST OF INDIA iS STILL in 2002 .. crying about riots riots riots while GUJARAT Is marching ahead and is competing with Developed nations of world!!!
btw No one is talking about MODI becoming PM!! why are you scared.YOu do have MODI PHOBIA>>> ru one of terrorist???
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RE:Save India by BullsandBears on May 13, 2007 09:42 PM A question to all wise women and men :
Why does Abdul Kalam admire Modi?? And why does Modi give examples of kalam in his speech to children of Gujarat?
Is Mr Abdul Kalam A BJP man? RSS man? AN Hindu? Or is Modi a Muslim??? think about it !!Why is that in any major ecomomic forum like FCCI people come in hordes to hear Modi,his vision and his development ideas? So who are these people who come in hordes to hear him? VHP guys? RSS guys? Bajrang dal guys??? NO they are industry captains like AMBANI,TATA,BIRLA,MURTHY etc.They are officals of Worldbank,economists of other countries.
I still believe that one must not be loyal to any political party but be loyal to the leaders who have vision irrespective of party they represent.
Forward | Report abuse RE:RE:Save India by Red Planet on May 13, 2007 09:38 PM Mr. true Your comments are false. "..... is killer of Thousand of inocent people.....".What is this? I can tell you one thing; Guratis are business people, and also soft spoken. They are not violent people but also not coward. There is limit for patient. You can not expect people to be remain cool all the way, even if they are looted and killed.Just read the Gujarat's most wanted criminal list; 99% will be from a single minority group. This was the situation in 1998 itself. This was also one of the reason why RSS become popular there. Even you may be knowing, Gujarat was ruled by Congress for long period continously. What I want to say is that Godhra happening just triggered the already accumulated public anger.
RE:Interesting conversation- for those who missed
by Bhaskar Sarma on May 14, 2007 04:34 AM Permalink
I agree that Narendra Modi is better than some other CMs. But please do not compare Chandrababu Naidu to Narendra Modi. We all know that Naidu recently campaigned for Mulayam together with Jayalalita to form a third front so that he can play politics in Delhi. We all know how are Mulayam and JJ
