RE:Why no discussion ends without Modi on any rediff's message boards
by Prasad Kumar H on May 25, 2007 04:05 PM Permalink
because rediff wants ecery shit indians to fight on discussion board
RE:Why no discussion ends without Modi on any rediff's message boards
by Joyee Funee on May 25, 2007 04:14 PM Permalink
But is he the root cause for all problems of India? He position was nothing in BJP in 1991 when Babri Masjid was demolished Like right not all sikhs are defiant on imitation of thier Guru Gujarat riots happend becuase of Godhra Carnage, if someone can not tolrate the imitation how Gujarat can tolerate the burning live people and to keep quite ? BJP is communist becuase it demolished Babri But Congress is secular who attacked Suvarna Mandir ? NDA was formed post Babri and the most secular parties were partner to it, Telugudesam, Trinamool, DMK and National Conference (totally islamic party of J & K ), If BJP was fundmentalist why did they joined hands with BJP What polices of BJP were against Muslims during thier regime Did they stopped reservations for Muslims during their regime? did they said not to cooperate with Muslins during their regime? Sikhs are still voting for congress knowing it attacked Suvarna Mandir Are Muslims voting for BJP ?
Modi was nothing in 1991 when Babri Masjid was demolished he has not taken so active part in demolition of Babri Masjid NDA was formed in 1999 with many other parties alongwith BJP, Telugudesam, DMK, Trinamool, National Conference (Omar Abdullas of J &K) If BJP is the root cause why did the other so called secular party joined the hands including the then CM of Jammu & Kashmir father of Mr. Omar Abdullah
Beside demolition of Babri Masjid there is not a single act which can say BJP is communist(Godhra was spaked by Islamist and no one car tolerate it ? can any sikh right now tolerate just imitating thier Guru?)
Even Congress did the same thing in 1984 by attacking Suvarna Mandir Why this party is not called communist (because it did not attacked minorty i.e. muslims correct)
No muslims give votes to BJP becuase it demolished Babri But Dera's say to give vote to Congress even after knowing the same party attacked Suvarna Mandir Sikhs are democratic in above manner but are muslims so democratic?
RE:Why no discussion ends without Modi & BJP ideology on any rediff's message boards
by Gandhi on May 26, 2007 09:45 AM Permalink
Cannot understand your concern?
RE:KHALSA AKAL PURAKH KI FAUJ
by Vivek Sharda on May 25, 2007 05:28 PM Permalink
Imitating Guru Gobind Singh has shown that this Baba is a Mad person. Nobody can be a God. If he thinks that he is God or His Messanger he is totally Mad. There will over a Lakh such self proclaimed Gods spread across the country each with a few self proclaimed followers in the country presently. He is a Congress Agent and as usual Congress is again playing with fire at the cost of the lives of Citizens of the country. Shame on Congress Leadership. Why is the Haryana CM totally silent on this issue when the Dera HQ is in Sirsa. Congress is an Anti National Party and will go to any extent for petty political gains. People of India should kill this party politically for the betterment of the country.
RE:KHALSA AKAL PURAKH KI FAUJ
by Aalsi on May 25, 2007 04:01 PM Permalink
Khalistaan Zindaabad????????Why did you stop before that???? Even though i am not a Dera supporter,I have few questions about that Video.They CNN-IBN were quick to bring the story out.BUt who is that Saadhvi.And if she is from Punjab and rural Punjab,then how come she is writing in pure Hindi and that too spotless,without even one mistake????Now I don't want to defend this Dera baba because I think that he has created enough trouble but I do not trust this pice of info.WHy has CNN-IBN not contacted this woman?WHy has there been no case registered in police against?How come CBI got involved when it does not even do rape investigations???
I would suggest to stop this discussion board. This is not serving any purpose, rather craeting illwill and very bad words between people. even educated people can fall prey to this nonsense words. Every right minded educated person should n't fall prey to this fire, rather try to work out a solution. Please, be reminded that all Saints teach not to hate each other.
RE:better to stop this discussion board
by Prasad Kumar H on May 25, 2007 04:18 PM Permalink
behind all these things i can see the deadly mind and active hand of Rediff.
RE:better to stop this discussion board
by Gandhi on May 26, 2007 09:48 AM Permalink
Rediff discussion board is thermometer the presnt centre govt is using to guage the ill will and possiblilty of rift between different religions and sects.
Guru Govind Singh established the tradition of "aape guru aape chelaa" as he himself solmenised by the panj pyaras. he was so great that he himself bow before the panj pyaras to whom he solemnlised.
SGPC making somuch havoc over the issue and it forgotten how Guru Govind Singh ji was liberal in his nature but he was tough to moughal attrocities. one has the liberty to follow the teachings of Guruji, and not by the dictates of SGPC otherwise it can and it may open room for the ISI to peep into the matters and be able to misguide Sikh youth as it done Bhindranwale and others for promotoing Khalistan.
if there is some criminal thing against Dera Chief, let the law took its own course how SGPC can force to vacate the deras. it leads to anarchy and will provide another opportunity to ISI like forces to mobilise extrimist people of Punjab to creat ground for another Khalistan like period in Punjab.
SGPC is to act for the unity of Sikhs rather to creat rifts in factions of Sikhs. there are several sects in Sikhism like Nirankari,Namdhari,Radhaswami etc. they all follow the Gurus in thier own way and having differences with the mainstream Sikhs but does not mean that they are not following the path of gurus. here SGPC has to play the role of big brother for unity rather than to show eyes.
RE:Dera moves SC for protection from protesters ! good step ! 2
by Gandhi on May 26, 2007 09:55 AM Permalink
No friend, there is no law for religions. There should be some one to tell when these sort of people go wrong. For eg there is pending case of rape and Murders which took place in one of Deras of Sachha Sauda in Haryana. As these people are influential and rich they can influence course of law and even apply best layers. But when they try to do something against the religion from where they have originated or whom they immitate they have to told to be correct. Sachha Saouda is associationg with Guru Nanak words. The basic name is derived from on eof the incidents that Guru nanak had done a business with the money his father had given him.
REDIFF DISCUSSIN BOARD BECOME FIGHTING BOARD FOR INDIANS,FIRST ITS OVER SHIVAJI FILM & NOW ITS ON DERA .EVERY DISCUSSION IS ON OTHERLINE RATHER THAN THE ACTUAL MATTER ,,,SHAME SHAME REDIFF SHOULD NOT CONTINUE THIS DISCSSION BOARD IF IT AFFECTS THE NATIONAL EMOTIONAL INTEGRITY OF THE COUNTRY,IT SHOULD CLOSE THIS BLOG FOR TEMPROVARY. i THINK REDIFF IS WITH SOME OTHER CRIMINAL NATION TO DISTURB & DISTROY THE EMOTIONAL INTEGRITY OF THE INDIA,,,SHAME SHAME REDIFF
you see all the Gurus work to save hinduism. till start of the 19th century a family in punjab gives one of his son to follow the path of Gurus by following Sikh to save hinduism.
till 1920 Harmandir Sahib(Golden Temple) there were several statues of Gods and the path of Akhand Ramayan was very oftenly organised there. at jathas and gurudwaras several mahant and purohits were there heads. Some people in discussion have said that mahants were ousted because they were doing mismanagenet. SGPC is also not better than those mahants. several extrimist group have taken control over SGPC, it requires that they should be modified. it is easy to demolish an institution but it is very difficult to build and run an institution. it is useles to beat the old drums of past, but it requires that what ever evil things has crept in SGPC be modified.
in 1920 SGPC came into exitence and it started aliegnment from hinduism. mahants ousted from gurudwaras, statues of several Gods on buildings of Harmandir Sahib(Har means Shiv) were removed, the trditional Akhand Ramayan was prohibited in Harmandir Sahib. that is why others were forced to build another temple Durgiana mandir at Amritsar.
now you can see the SGPC itself went far away from cause and principles of the gurus for what purpose Guru Govind Singh ji established Khalsa, than how can SGPC itself can proclaim the only follower of Gurus.
Guru Govind Singh established the tradition of "aape guru aape che
RE:RE:Dera moves SC for protection from protestors ! good step !
by ak on May 25, 2007 03:41 PM Permalink
Guru Govind Singh established the tradition of "aape guru aape chelaa" as he himself solmenised by the panj pyaras. he was so great that he himself bow before the panj pyaras to whom he solemnlised.
SGPC making somuch havoc over the issue and it forgotten how Guru Govind Singh ji was liberal in his nature but he was tough to moughal attrocities. one has the liberty to follow the teachings of Guruji, and not by the dictates of SGPC otherwise it can and it may open room for the ISI to peep into the matters and be able to misguide Sikh youth as it done Bhindranwale and others for promotoing Khalistan.
if there is some criminal thing against Dera Chief, let the law took its own course how SGPC can force to vacate the deras. it leads to anarchy and will provide another opportunity to ISI like forces to mobilise extrimist people of Punjab to creat ground for another Khalistan like period in Punjab.
SGPC is to act for the unity of Sikhs rather to creat rifts in factions of Sikhs. there are several sects in Sikhism like Nirankari,Namdhari,Radhaswami etc. they all follow the Gurus in thier own way and having differences with the mainstream Sikhs but does not mean that they are not following the path of gurus. here SGPC has to play the role of big brother for unity rather than to show eyes.
RE:Dera moves SC for protection from protestors ! good step !
by Gandhi on May 26, 2007 10:02 AM Permalink
No friend, there is no law for religions or for such sects. There should be some one to tell them when these sort of people go wrong. For eg there is pending case of rape and Murders which took place in one of Deras of Sachha Sauda in Haryana. As these people are influential and rich they can influence course of law and even apply best layers. But when they try to do something against the religion from where they have originated or whom they immitate they have to told to be correct. Sachha Saouda is associationg with Guru Nanak words. The basic name is derived from on eof the incidents that Guru nanak had done a business with the money his father had given him. When they can influence the regular course of law, who you think can correct them when they go gravely against the any religion. Try doing anything Islam you will know that it was wrong like black and white. But for such sects no law and no guidelines as they are forming a path for themselves.
RE:Dera moves SC for protection from protestors ! good step !
by Aalsi on May 25, 2007 03:40 PM Permalink
well,this is new for me.I was not aware of this. Can you mention any reliable source from where i can read more on this????By the way Wikipedia is not a reliable source,since it can be modified by registered user.
RE:RE:Dera moves SC for protection from protestors ! good step !
by ak on May 25, 2007 03:46 PM Permalink
to gether knowledge one has to be awakened rather than to become "Aalsi" . even than if you are interested go through the writings og Dr. Mahip Singh a renowned scholar of Skhism.i can expect that you will go through those writings never the less you just read the article of Dr. Mahip Singh written in Dinik Jgran on 24.05.07, though he has written those things in his own way but the facts are true what i have said in discussion.
RE:Dera moves SC for protection from protestors ! good step !
by Prasad Kumar H on May 25, 2007 04:01 PM Permalink
as the oldest religion of the world hinduisam(way of life) has to pass through the dark ages but because of its capacity accepting all the new things & tollerance,budhism and Janism gave birth all though they say they were not related to hinduism,their soul is in hinduism, and Hinus accepted them as one of the sects of Hinduism.Like wice sikhism also gave birth, they also claim that they not belong to Hinduism,but if u ask any hindu they consider the sikh as the part of hinduism like budhist and Jainas. There is no doubt that sikhs helped in every difficulties but they should know that hindus also have respects the sikhs as their brothers.After the sikhs riots and demand for Khalistan there is a rift between hindus and sikhs and some disrtucting powers take advantage of it.I hope the bond between hindus and sikhs will get stronger in the span of time.
