"You know why BJP never got a foothold in Kerala? Because the people out there are educated enough to choose between goodness and evil."
Magont you really think you are fooling anyone? BJP never got into Kerala because people are educated or because it is taken over literall by the minorities. Minorities would vote any evil in as long as Hindutva is kept in check. Brother you would vote Satan in , trust me on that. I dont have much to offer in ways of what the CM does or does not but just wanted to lift the veil on the truth
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by Archace on May 24, 2007 08:20 AM Permalink
What has Hinduism done for the tribals? Why should they continue to stay in a religion that condemns them to generations of deprivation. If people convert, the problem is with our religion and not with the people who convert. If a theatre does not offer A/C and you go to another theatre to watch a movie, who do you blame? The theatre with no a/c, the audience or the other theatre that has a/c. Ofcourse the theatre with no a/c. Elementary, my friend.
RE:To who ever this Magont is
by B Bag on May 30, 2007 03:16 PM Permalink
Mr. Archace, Theatre and home are not the same terms... If you donot have a/c in your home (as per your convention, this is the language you understand), you donot go to other house...in the otherway, if you have an a/c in your house, you donot ask others to get into your house... you should not exploit someone's socio economic condition to convert....
RE:To who ever this Magont is
by ramankutty on Jun 02, 2007 11:18 PM Permalink
dear arun iyer,why are you creating problems between religions,here we are discussing about the great chief minister of kerala.are you a rss/vhp demon? are you mad ? are you not educated in good school? what is your problem dear? did any christians done any harm to you or to your family members?what is inside your head brother,i really wonder.
RE:To who ever this Magont is
by Ramanath Babu on May 24, 2007 03:47 PM Permalink
As I have commented already, the neo-covnerts will be known as Pulayan Baby or Pulayan Antony. Forget about acquiring new status in christianity.
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by deepak sharma on May 26, 2007 03:17 AM Permalink
Sorry friends I don't hv much of facts to present to you all, but I just wanted to add simple view into this.. Are all of you discussing this because you feel that you are in minority or will become minority or you have faith in the your belief/your religion. What is religion? Does it gives you something? If it does.. then whether it can be sold or purchased by some clothings or some food etc., Now religion has some link to almighty GOD or Parmatma, Allah also.. Am I right? If your religion is correct or proper is true knowledge by supreme Father or has logic.. you don't need to pay someone for them to follow it.. Religions lost its glory & now its just to show headcounts.. When U say about Hinduism, I m glad to hear that someone said about tolerance.. I guess that is one of the virtues.. Did Hindu's learned it from their religion or by the culture developed over the centuries in this part of the world.. If it is by teachings of Hinduism then r those who r converting blind? Infact I have seen many xian (no offence to Christians, its just a abbre) converting to Islam, Budhism etc. ISKON & some other spiritual organisations are getting people of different religions, who are practicing some of the Hindu's believes. Offcourse many people are working for humanity through those organisations & some believe their religion is better or they hv proper knowledge about GOD etc., so everyone should follow that.. There r doing it because of insecurity of smaller headcounts..
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by Sanjay Chetty on May 24, 2007 12:12 PM Permalink
I beg to differ, they give food or cloth for converting. It is not out of love or humanity that they provide the tribals with goodies. Our religion doesnt have that kind of funding to provide food or clothes. Moreover, do you think just by changing to Christianity, their status in the society is going to change? Will the christians revive them? If you think so, you are far away from reality. They feed them to be christian, but their status remains the same even among christians. It is not elementary as the A/c theatre example you gave. Wake up!
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by raja moses on Jun 02, 2007 09:05 AM Permalink
I beg to differ too sir. India has produced 5 super rich people among the top 50 in the world. so many NRI's around the globe and you call it " Our religion doesnt have that kind of funding to provide food or clothes" ? shame on the way people are brought up here. I don't know why people are whining here about conversion when the subject is about a different Chief Minister whose work is very commendable when India is infested with evil politicians. By the way the bible teaches freedom from sin, results of sin and not conversions. Conversions are to God and not to man or society. God converts not man. If man does it he is himself not converted to God. Man can only guide but through deception or illegal means.
Why Hindus Lag Behind in Kerala (I am for Peace & Harmony on equal footing) A powerful field that can control society is education. At present, the education sector in Kerala is under the control of minorities, who are politically influential and economically sound through the remittances made by Non-Resident Keralites (NRKs). While minorities run 3340 schools in the state, the entire Hindu jatis are in possession of just 194 schools. Muslim and Christian communities manage 223 arts and science colleges whereas all Hindu jatis together manage only 42 colleges (vide 'Matrubhumi' daily, September 28, 2002). Out of the 433 professional colleges, only 86 are government-owned, 89 are Hindu-managed while 258 are managed by the minorities (G.K. Suresh Babu, 'Kesari Annual, 2004). Though all minorities are permitted to impart religious education in their institutions, this right is denied to Hindu institutions. Moreover, Hindu students in minority institutions are forced to study moral science, which infuse anti-Hindu sentiments in them. This is the best-known Kerala model of secularist-democratic paradigm.Why does it happen so? No doubt, the reason is that Hindus are economically and politically a marginalized group in Kerala. If the lessons in history of ancient civilizations were destroyed by Semitic religions' invasion, the situation is not very different for Hindus in Kerala. A major share of the state exchequer is spent on education. The last 48 years reveal that only one Hindu minister handled the portfolio of education and that, too for a period of four years and three months. Otherwise, for the rest of the period, ministers belonging to only minority communities have handled this portfolio. The minority ministers, who managed the portfolio of education, helped only the minority community managements in an out-of the way manner. Lending a helping hand to minority institutions was similar for both, the Right and the Left coalitions. Both coalitions still follow minority appeasement as their de facto policy. This will result in an alarming situation. Of the state's 199,000 schoolteachers, the Hindu share (inclusive of SCs/STs) is just 38 percent. According to the 1997 statistics, Kerala had 14200 college teachers of whom 76 percent belonged to minority communities (G. K. Suresh Babu). All these statistics show of an unorganized, demographically ever-shrinking Hindu community of Kerala. In health care also, the minorities have an upper hand. The Hindu community owns just ten hospitals against 928 belonging to the minorities ('Matrubhumi'). Similarly, the Hindu share in the industry, agriculture and commerce is 28, 24 and 28 percent, respectively. At the same time, the Muslim share is 30, 23 and 40 percent and Christian share is 35, 40 and 36 percent, respectively ('Matrubhumi'). I think, like the Hindus of Kerala, no other community in the world is marginalized as much. In several sectors, Hindus lag behind but in the case of suicides, they are leaders. Kerala's suicidal rate is above the national average; it is 30.5 for every one lakh population. A recent NGO study reveals that Hindus committed 92 percent suicides. 6.5 percent by Christians and 1.5 percent by Muslims. Insolvency is the main reason for the mass suicides in Kerala. The Kerala government's allotment of new self-financing professional colleges has come as a rude shock to the marginalized Hindus of Kerala. Due to the economic backwardness of the Hindus, it is difficult to compete with the minority communities for starting professional colleges. The result will be that those socially and economically backwards in the Hindu society will be kicked out of competition. In medical education field alone, the Hindus will lose 250 seats every year. The Hindus coming in the purview of reservation will lose 3800 engineering seats and 100 MBBS seats every year. After two decades, in the SC/ST section alone, there will be a shortage of 74000 engineers and 2000 doctors at the present rate. Education and economic progress are closely linked with Kerala life. Therefore, any imbalance arising in the educational field will be reflected a hundred times in the economic scenario. In the near future, because of educational backwardness alone, Hindus will be forced to live on the periphery of society. In the democratic process, votes are decisive factors. No doubt, the numerically ever-shrinking Hindus will lose relevance in the political structure of Kerala in the near future. Since Independence, for every decade, the Hindu population in Kerala has been falling at the rate of more than 1 percent. If this trend continues, within three decades, Hindus will lose their majority statues in the state. At present, technically the Hindus are the majority community. But the minority religious groups have a clear sway over the political, economic and educational fields of Kerala. It is no wonder that Hindus of Kerala, who are destined to be minority in the near future, will be thrown out of all fields of socio-economic activities. This will be a great tragedy for Hindus. In 1947, Muslims in India were a minority community. They were 24 percent. But even that marginal strength of the Muslims led to the division of India . Today, Nagaland and Mizoram have turned into Christian-majority states. In these states, discontent and insurgency, along with divisive tendencies, have surfaced. To a large section of the Christian brethren, the Hindus have become an indigestive element in the northeast. If so, what will be the history of Kerala after three decades? (By Dr C.I. Issac, Head of the PG Department of History, CMS College, Kottayam, Kerala.)
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by ramankutty on May 28, 2007 09:16 AM Permalink
DEAR BROTHER CHOLA KING , PLEASE DONT PUT HATE MESSAGES, ONE SHOULD REMEMBER THAT ALL CHRISTIANS IN INDIA ARE CONVERTED FROM HINDUISM AND ALL EACH AND EVERY MEMBERS OF ALL RELIGIONS IN INDIA ARE BROTHERS ARE BROTHERS AND SISTERS.THE PEOPLE CONVERTED TO CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM COMMUNITY DEELOPED BECAUSE OF PLANED HARD WORK,DICIPLINE AND GOOD MANAGEMENT. IF HINDUS FOLLOW THIS THEY WILL ALSO DEVELOP.DONT SPREAD HATE MESSAGES,PLEASE........BEHAVE LIKE HUMANBEINGS.
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by Venkat Krishnan on Jun 01, 2007 12:23 PM Permalink
We donot hate any one. Action & reaction is EQUAL & Opposite.We have not seen any conversion to Hinduism from other relgions.As pointed out by Sri Ramankutty all present Christians & Muslims are once Hindus. The Mogul & Bristish rulers forcebly & by inducements converted our Hindu brotherens who were always tolerent & god fearing.This should stop now. If we say this it does not mean that it is a hate campaign.Conversion is not the solution The backward class HINDU people converted to other religions are still poor & exploited by others. The caste system still prevails in the post conversion stage. A nair converted to Christianity keeps relation with the other Nair family converts.Every one should be loyal to his religion, to his NATION & to the Society where he lives .Before GOD & LAW all are equal & we should learn to respect one and all irrespect of religion,caste,creed,poor,rich etc. We should be humane in our approach to problems. We should not allow politicians to exploit to their selfish ends.
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by CG NAIR on Jun 01, 2007 08:14 PM Permalink
Mr. Venkat
This Raman Kutty fellow is a neo-convert and number one hate monger. He has posted the above message only because he is unable to refute Chola King (Dr. Issac).
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by ramankutty on Jun 02, 2007 11:25 PM Permalink
CG NAIR,how dare you call me hate monger?can you point out any hate message in my above post,please CG NAIR,please behave like a cultured man. Are you not proud of our great culture? i think you are totally against our great Indian culture.Am I correct cg nair?
Who's fooling whom? Most things in India are done merely for show - demolish a few token illegal structures, especially some belonging to party memebers and presto - you're an instant hero, the peoples 'champion'. Yeeaah!. One year from now and no one will be able to point to any other 'demolition' or any official demolition policy. Who's fooling whom?
REALLY GREAT. When we are hearing all bad incidents and bad things about our political leaders at least one good article about a CM. Even though I belong to BJP RSS family I will not think twice to appreciate Mr. V S Achuthanandan. Let him become the role model for other CM's and politicians. Regards, Prasanna
When some of my friends said a couple of years before that they respected Achuthananthan the most among politicians, I laughed it off. One of the guys reasoned his liking for him thus: 'Achuthananthan is a man who justifies his words with action'. Being anti-left and a BJP supporter, I was not in a mood to accept his line.
Now I know where his admiration comes from. Even if I disagreed with Comrade Achuthananthan on many counts, I cannot but admit my growing admiration for Achuthananthan the CM. He definitely is an icon for today's youth - A man who strongly believes in his ideals and who shows the courage to back those beliefs with action.
He belong to a club that has unfortunately very few patrons.
RE:Achuthananthan the icon
by tom tomm on May 23, 2007 11:19 PM Permalink
Any Country/state rules by Law. Not an ideates ideas and believes. There has to have policies men....
RE:Achuthananthan the icon
by allex on May 24, 2007 09:10 AM Permalink
Why u ppl are so scared to spell out your name or maybe u r ashmed of it.. n fact u shud b ... well... itz very normal ...a very good logical idea shapes up for good policies... grow up .. n plz dont show ur ignorance
What a wonderful action that has happened and attempted in Kerala. Like many other Keralites working outside India, we have been approached by many Real Estate Companies to sell Properties constructed illegally in these encroached lands. This action has been an eye-opener and will save many people from wrongly investing their well-earned savings.
RE:Somebody give a Shirt for Achuthanathan
by kolins mathew on May 23, 2007 04:04 PM Permalink
Father of our Mother India,Mahatma Gandhi was half naked. You know that? It is nice to hear about such a nice CM, when criminals like Karunanidhi and Narendra Modi are roaming in our country.
RE:Somebody give a Shirt for Achuthanathan
by Magont on May 23, 2007 05:11 PM Permalink
But I think it is much more respectable than the old folks wearing oversized nickers during RSS rallies :-)
RE:Somebody give a Shirt for Achuthanathan
by ravi shankar on May 23, 2007 04:05 PM Permalink
trifles mate. why are u concerned about these silly matters when he does something good
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by aus ant on May 23, 2007 03:56 PM Permalink
i saw that interview in a banian and dhoti too. Very bad taste, i think. Some may argue, it shows that he is just like any other ordinary person. Anyway, kudos to him for clearing up all the illegal construction. That this was allowed to happen all this while tells us about the systemic failure. The high profile officials who condoned this s'd be severely punished to act as a deterrent for the future.
RE:Somebody give a Shirt for Achuthanathan
by bro on May 23, 2007 05:26 PM Permalink
You mean u watched tv in ur undies. Shame on u. I agree, very bad taste. What will ur family members say.
RE:Somebody give a Shirt for Achuthanathan
by Senthil Nathan on May 23, 2007 04:04 PM Permalink
This is the problem. we don't focus on what the good he does, just complain that he does not wear shirt. The same goes with people doing bad. if they dress well, we ignore their faults. We should grow up
RE:Somebody give a Shirt for Achuthanathan
by Amen Here on May 23, 2007 04:18 PM Permalink
I admit that he is doing a gr8 Job... But this is not the way to face Media....
RE:Somebody give a Shirt for Achuthanathan
by ravi shankar on May 23, 2007 04:28 PM Permalink
atleast he is not facing the media as a convict or a rapist or an accused. nor he has the face of an unashamed politician who, with no loath, twist wahtever he said or promised to the public.
RE:Somebody give a Shirt for Achuthanathan
by Amen Here on May 23, 2007 04:36 PM Permalink
Will you be able to accept if Our President Come in from of Media in Lungi and Banian? Every position has its own value. They must keep it up....The whole world is watching it.
RE:Somebody give a Shirt for Achuthanathan
by Ramachandran Krishnamurthy on May 23, 2007 04:51 PM Permalink
Did not a former PM eat "Ragi Mudde" for the media to show he was a son of the soil? If what he has done at Munnar is true, he may soon be reduced to his undies by the powerful land mafia who will not take this lying down. He needs support of the people like never before.
RE:Somebody give a Shirt for Achuthanathan
by ravi shankar on May 23, 2007 05:05 PM Permalink
do u remember when two politicians were stripped infront of camers by goons allegedly send by lesders son. karunanidhi was stripped by jayalalitas police infront of TV cameras. even if these are left aside, still u cannot deny that there are piliticians who relentlessly stripp their 'mundu' in parliament houses infront of rajyasabha. this guy VS has done no offence. after all the state that boasts aboutliteracy and hygene is stinking from sex scandals, curroption, harthals and everythins. being in innerwears is not more embarrassing than that
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by sibby mathews on May 23, 2007 07:16 PM Permalink
Even if Kerala is 'stinking' due to scandals, corruption, hartals, etc., that Kerala is still a big breath of very fresh air when compared on those criteria with other states like TN, AP, Maharashtra, Gujarat, UP, etc. !!
RE:Somebody give a Shirt for Achuthanathan
by mahesh v on May 23, 2007 05:15 PM Permalink
Hello, If Media wants to meet him at his home, what kind of dress should he wear ???? He was at his residence at that time. He never appears like that in public. After all he is a simple man with lot of will power and courage. Kudos !!
