RE:Congress got fatwa then why not mafinama from Dera
by Aalsi on May 22, 2007 06:59 PM Permalink
Just bugger off.You are fanatic and do not give us explaination for your beliefs.There is nowhere written in the sikh books that wearing any of the guru's clothes is a blasphemy. On top of it,who are the Akalis demanding closure of the deras.Have the 850 million Hindus ever demanded that 19 million should shut their Gurudwaras? The answer is NO.During height of Punjab militancy so many hindu families were killed. The Guru's protected the hindus but his followers in 1980s killed the hindus for political reasons. How can you claim a moral high?????Just because the Dera chief issued a whip for his supporters to vote for congress,the akalis are being vindictive. This is no religious tolerance or intelligence but outright foolishness. We feel sad that Sikh sentiments were hurt.But this is not just about sentiments anymore,this outright dirty politics.
RE:RE:RE:Congress got fatwa then why not mafinama from Dera
by Abh Kau on May 22, 2007 09:06 PM Permalink
Oh yeah...You correct your perspective.It is something similar to how militancy started in Punjab,where many hindu families were mercilessly killed. The Gurus protected the Hindus but in 1980s in the name of religion you killed them.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Congress got fatwa then why not mafinama from Dera
by Pure on May 22, 2007 10:11 PM Permalink
Lakhs of Sikhs were Killed during militancy, thousands disappered, then why are you HIGHLITHING FEW HINDSU KILLED.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Congress got fatwa then why not mafinama from Dera
by Aalsi on May 22, 2007 10:05 PM Permalink
In 1980s,the akalis systematically targetted non-sikhs.The eventual show down happened because Bhindrawale and his supporters stockpiled weapons against the government at Golden temple and were carrying out attacks from there.This lead to the unfortunate golden temple incident.Again Sikhs were agitated.Beant Singh and Satwant Singh then Killed Indira Gandhi.This lead to backlash from the Hindus,where Sikhs were killed especially in Delhi. This was followed by another 7 years of militancy where again Hindu families were killed. I am not making this out,as i am one of the family,who were forced out Punjab. YOU ARE DAFT,SHORT SIGHTED AND IGNORANT PERSON. There is nothing that i want to say to you.
Its all politics played by communal political party keeping in mind next parliamentary elections to polarise Sikh votes to make them to vote in favour of Akali Dal with whom they have alliance. This formula has already been applied in Gujarat and was successful and now this state is a blot on the forehead of India. The game is played from behind the curtain and the hounorable Akal Takh has been used. I think the honorable Akal Takh should ban printing/making of photographs/idols of all gurus immidiately so that no one can immitate. As regards Hindu religion, its all allowed for them to worship from a stone to animal b'coz its based on myth, but Sikhism is not myth, all Gurus came to show the road to truth and respect. The Sikhism can not be compared with Hinduism and hence the Hindus can not feel the pain of disregard to any of Guru or even their own so called Gods, Godess, Stone, Snake, Dog, Mouse.....etc. etc. whom they worship. Thanks
An amazing debate has always erupted out whenever there is a blown up of religious centiments... I dont really understand where does Muslims get into.. Btn What Swami Agnivesh has initiated is really appreciable... You call it madness or fanatism but one cannot deny from teh fact that Indians are very centimental and touchy towards their religious feelings and it is not very difficulty to spark them off bringing peace and law & order situation of the country to ranson...
At this time, when everything goes out of control from common's man hands, these religious and political leaders should come ahead and try to pacify things..
Moreover the adament behavious ofd Dera leader will not only be a smudge to him but to entire population of punjab...
I urge all our brothers to understand that out country is going through a very sleek transition stage.. Its on the verge of development and prosperity. and therefore any such hedious events would only thwart the success in our common path, path which every common Indian cherish..
I as a muslim citizen in India, know well that we muslims live in quite peace , as compared to other countries! Now, since a good move has been taken by Swami Agnivesh and other religious teachers, which has made the Dera chief soften , people like us are relieved fro a tension! We are noticing the oppressed hindus' sentiments which are tougher nowadays as compared to tales of 50s and 60s that we heard from our seniors! Actually it is hindus' land mainly and unfortunately our forefathers were hindus! But whatever has happened we want peace!
RE:Dera chief's softening!
by vivek hiremath on May 22, 2007 06:25 PM Permalink
Actually it is hindus' land mainly and unfortunately our forefathers were hindus!
says abusuleman. -------------------------------------------- it is the first time i have seen such a confession from a muslim. --------------------------------------------- just sometime ago i have written this reply to the message by my muslim brother who was feeling proud of islamic rule over india. --------------------------------------------- what are you talking about hindus sir. muslims who ruled india for 500 years were invaders turk , afghans , mughals , you may be convert due to atrocites that these invadors committed on us. blood relation wise you may be our brother definately your family tree may not be linked with those cruel turks, afghans , mughals. ------------------------------------------- neither muslims of this land had not come from arabia nor christians from europe.
hindu religion was blasted by invadors and many conversions took place. ---------------------------------------------- muslims and christians may not forget we all may be of same family tree. we may be having blood relations and therefore more closer to you than those distant arabs , turks , europeans.
RE:Dera chief's softening!
by Aalsi on May 22, 2007 06:30 PM Permalink
Because it is a Hindu land that is why we do not let the Shias and Sunnis to blast themselves out from the face of the earth,like what is happening in Iraq.
RE:Dera chief's softening!
by Abusoleman on May 22, 2007 08:14 PM Permalink
Dear Abhi bhaia! I have been misunderstood in my quote 'unfortunately our forefathers were hindus!'Its inner meaning is a lot! Our forefathers were hindus and unfortunately, in between sometime we were forcefullt converted as no ruler were there ro protect us!So we are unfortunate, that way! I,by virtue of learning Sanskrit in school,couls make access to many Sanskrit scripts of India, It is a wonder why the post indepencence Govt eradicated Sanskrit saying its a dead language! Whatever I learnt I find 'hindu scripts'are FOR THE PEACEFUL EXISTENCE AND KNOWING ONESELF!No hatred anywhere except when one's life or belongings are attacked by an intruder there is permission to kill the intruder, nowhere else! All are off suits of GOD! So we are unfortunate!Our forefathers too were unfortunate because they were converted! All converted are undortunate! I cant say Islam is bad because I am a muslim now but my heart has regards for 'hinduism' in totality, barring aside some ill actions which they took during British period Sir! our respected Prez is a muslim but his rituals are like hindu! Because he has thoroughly studied 'finduism' What more can I say?
RE:Dera chief's softening!
by Abh Kau on May 22, 2007 08:26 PM Permalink
You know what does BEING CAUGHT ON THE WRONG FOOT mean?Or for that matter What does GOOF UP mean?Or for that matter FAUX PAS? You did not clarify yourself and you deserve all the boot not just from Hindus but from all the Indians(i.e. Hindus muslims sikhs christians etc.)
RE:Dera chief's softening!
by vivek hiremath on May 22, 2007 06:46 PM Permalink
Actually it is hindus' land mainly and unfortunately our forefathers were hindus! -------------------------------------------- abusoleman, are you ashamed that your forefathers were hindu? if it is so i understood you wrongly. today you are muslim because your forefathers who might have been hindus , would had been put to atrocities of arab , turk , afghan or mughal muslim invadors where in they might have been compelled to accept islam. there is nothing wrong to return muslims duly converted to islam to come back to their original religion hinduism.
