Dear Friends, Its another black day in the history of india. and lets condemn this together irrespective of religion, caste, creed or anything tht divides us. Its time to look into what does religion hold. Its actually knowledge....assimilation of stories...which tells us the victory will always be for good...not evil..there was a time when in the world there existed no courts or laws...and religion was propounded by those intellectuals of that age to see that humans live as humans not capitalizing on the weakness of anyone. But now it has become a curse...our upanishaths..vedas...epics...all spectacularly glorified the moral side of humans. There are many people in the world who even dont belong to a religion....simply put 'free thinkers'..or like the chinese who arent hardcore followers of religion...so why in india we need to fight against each other to push the country into eternal bleeding. When so many lives are at peril people still discuss hatred...and even worst believe in it??? there is no time for complacency and talking evil about other religion...let us join together and fight back....we shouldnt allow our children to think about a 'communal india'. let them grow up thinking about 'the great and prosperous india'.
RE:HINDU MUSLIM SIKH CHRISTIAN JAIN.....wht does religion mean?
by Friendly Enemy on May 18, 2007 09:59 PM Permalink
Agree wholeheartedly with you. In the name of humanity we must try our best to stop such dastardly acts of violence which is always deplorable. Killing/injuring innocents can never be justified. Such acts can never be carried out by truly religious people but can only be perpetrated by fanatics and insane people.
RE:HINDU MUSLIM SIKH CHRISTIAN JAIN.....wht does religion mean?
by real asset on May 18, 2007 10:08 PM Permalink
absolutely right.this is the time for solidarity.enemies of india internal or external BEWARE!
RE:SEX
by subhash rao on May 18, 2007 09:51 PM Permalink
who the fudge are u mofo? ... which race u belong to..? i can point a million things thats wrong with ur gene pool...to start with, u got a wierd fudging name!!!!! .... comon out and identify urself ass
A series of Terror crimes committed against MINORITIES are not being properly investigated by the Govt. Such crimes conveniently remain unsolved mysteries. When minorities are targetted there is a deliberate political move to show NO ACTION at all No guesses on who commit HATE CRIMES against Minorities in India. The Govt needs to charge the guilty and BANN RSS goons of armed terrorists in India from committing Hate Crimes against Minorities.
It is a sad day for India. Indian Voters need to send a strong message against hate crimes and stop VOTING for Communal Parties that support religious divide.
Heartfelt Condolences to the victims of this heinous Crime.
RE:BANN ALL RELIGIOUS MILITANTS IN INDIA esp RSS n VHP
by syed mian on May 18, 2007 10:16 PM Permalink
In fact, at the time when Christians in India were protesting against their persecution at the hands of Hindu terrorists, the US was busy huddling with Indian officials offering them partnership in trade, commerce and technology. Like the Christian Palestinians suffering at the hands of the zionist occupiers, the Christians of India, too, can forget about any help from the west. The west's concern about Christians is aroused only if it undermines Muslims.
RE:RE:BANN ALL RELIGIOUS MILITANTS IN INDIA esp RSS n VHP
by syed mian on May 18, 2007 10:17 PM Permalink
Hindu Terrorists The Hindu terrorists By I.K. Sukla ; September 26, 2005
Besides the Hindu terrorists from the well-established training camps in India under the saffronazis, other Hindu mercenaries too are active all over from Ayodhya to Kashmir. The infamous comment made by Lal Kishenchand Advani, the ex-Home Minister of the expired BJP-led NDA government, that Bajrangis being terrorists is a joke, only spurred the brutes of Bajrang Dal in their crime spree. Dara Singh, a Bajrangi, had successfully terrorized Orissa by burning alive Pastor Graham Staines and his two sons.
Advani%u2019s clean chit to the Dal in the wake of this heinous crime made him look more an ogre than a sentient human. George Fernandes, the then Defense Minister, had called it a foreign conspiracy, not a Hindutva crime. That Hindu terrorists have been the backbone of RSS-VHP-BJP-Bajrang Dal, the communal fascist combine, has been evidenced time and time again. Its so-called %u201Ctrishul-dikshas%u201D (knife distribution) are naked and subversive paramilitary training camps for its militias. Not only are the enlistees given their arms and training but also incantatory lessons in hate and violence against minorities, who, they are told, have to be bloodily extirpated, in order for the land exclusively to belong to Hindus.
This climate of sacred savagery spawned by the saffronazis has successfully spread the miasma of bigoted violence all over. The abundance of firearms freely made available to the HinduTaliban gangsters empowers the anti-socials and prods them to %u201Caction%u201D. This is an investment towards routine training in ethnic cleansing and eventually establishing Hindu Rashtra, envisaged by Savarkar and Golwalkar, the prime mentors of assassins, arsonists, thugs and rapists %u201Cserving the cause of Hindutva%u201D.
A glimpse of the climate of Hindu crimes rampant is in order. An article, titled Gujarat 2002 Visits Gohana [Haryana] by Shamsul Islam (Milli Gazette, 16-30 Sep. 05, p.8, New Delhi) lays out %u201CSimilarities with Gujarat 2002 Carnage%u201D:
%u2022 %u201CDalit houses and properties were burnt by releasing gas from cylinders. Big and well constructed houses were both looted and burnt whereas smaller houses were only looted. The arsonists carried away moveable properties in carts they had brought with them to transport their booty.
%u2022 Police and law and order machinery stood as mock spectators. %u2022 Only Dalit properties were targeted. If there happened to be a non-Dalit property, it was spared, which means the attackers had full knowledge of the identities of the home-owners. For instance, in Arya Nagar which has mixed population, only Dalit houses were blasted. Likewise, at Samta Chowk market (adjacent to Balmiki Basti), out of around 20 shops only a junk-dealer%u2019s shop owned by a Dalit was looted and completely burnt.
%u2022 A hate campaign against Dalits preceded the actual attack on Dalits. Dalit localities were declared to be hotbeds of criminals. The local administration did nothing to discourage or check this activity.
%u2022 These were not only Hindu Dalit houses which were burnt but also those owned and inhabited by Christian Dalits were similarly looted and burnt.%u201D
But the %u201Ccause%u201D gets served in many ways else too, unimagined by the manic mentors. Below are just a few examples.
1. Ramesh Pande. He was among the terrorists who stormed the Ayodhya temple on 5 July. The state government rewarded his family with a lakh of rupees ex- gratia. More compensation to family members is said to be under consideration.
2. Doctor S.K.Pandita, charged with sheltering militants in Kashmir, along with Pt. Dalip Kumar, arrested, for financing them. Pandita disclosed he carried messages and ammunition to the militants.
3. Sham Lal and Kirpal Singh, in Rajouri-Poonch, belong to Hizbul Mujahideen and Sanjay to Lashkar-e-Toiba, according to SP J.P.Singh.
4. In 2001, Kuldeep Singh, with seven others, killed in an encounter in Chatter Gali, Doda district. Elder brother Randeep Singh is still a commander of the Hizbul Mujahideen, Doda Dist.
5. Bharat Kumar, arrested in Satwari, Jammu City, with arms and ammunition. Trained for four years in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
6. Lal Chand, crossed over to POK in 1997, returned to Doda in 2001 after receiving military training there, according to the police.
7. Police arrested a noted Hindu smuggler, involved in Jammu%u2019s Raghunath Temple attack in 2002,
8. On 9 Nov. 2004, Manoj Kumar Manhas, was one of the 47 militants who surrendered to the army. He revealed he was lured into militancy by Baldev Singh, absconding.
9. Uttam Singh, alias Saifulla, 23, a sector commander with Hizbul Kahmir,slain Aug.19 in an encounter in Jammu. Was in Pakistan five years, trained in arms.
10. Virendar Singh, 25, a Hizbul operative, supplied arms and funds to jihadi colleagues in India, captured in New Delhi.
11. Aug. 24, Hizbul militant Chattar Singh, carrying a pistol and grenades, was arrested in Doda.
12. Shakeel Wani, ex-Hizbul militant, now a fruit vendor in Srinagar, said at least 100 Hindu Kashmiri boys had fought against Muslim militants.
13. Attractive Hindu girls luring Hindu youths into terrorism. The issue of 27 Aug. 05 Jagran, a Hindi daily, runs this story. Nina, 15, is said to have played an important role in making many Hindu youths terrorists. She sent them across the border for training in arms. From the Chingas area of Rajouri, living with a relative, Joginder Singh, she came in contact with Shamsuddin, the district commander of Hizbul, This discomfited Joginder who sent her away to brother Balwan Singh, but she continued her work securing food and shelter for the terrorists in Gujjar homes. From her the police found out many things.
14. Ravi Kumar, Satwari area, arrested while on his way to the border for trainin
15. Security personnel estimate that the Hindu terrorists may be 500 strong.
Christians, too, target of Hindu fascism By Tahir Mahmoud
Indian prime minister Atal Behari Vajpayee's one day fast of penitence on January 30 is reflective of the widespread hyprocrisy in the ranks of the Indian ruling elite. The fast, coinciding with the fiftieth anniversary of Karamchand Gandhi's assassination, was meant to expiate for the horrible death of an Australian Christian missionary and his two young sons in Orissa on January 23.
Graham Staines, 58, and his sons, Philip, 10 and Timothy, 8, were burnt alive when Hindu fascists doused their jeep in which they were sleeping with kerosene and set it ablaze. When the three terrified occupants tried to break out of the vehicle, the Hindu mob pushed them back into the burning inferno.
Staines's 'crime' was that he had devoted 34 years of his life to serving lepers in India. A week prior to Christmas, Hindu terrorists had attacked and burnt churches in Gujarat's Dangs district but no one was killed there.
The ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) whose allies perpetrated the Orissa horror, immediately pronounced the attack as 'an isolated incident.' How isolated was the attack? There have been 108 attacks against Christians in India over the past year. On February 3, a nun was gangraped in the same locality where Staines and his children were burnt alive and on February 6, a Christian boy and his sister were murdered.
The number of anti-Muslim attacks is more than three times higher. These are euphemistically dismissed as 'communal riots.'
Vajpayee's fast of penitence must be viewed against the backdrop of his statements. When he visited Dangs district on January 10, he called for a 'national debate to re-examine the freedom of religious conversations,' as reported by the Times of India on January 11, 1999. Vajpayee went further. He said 'religious conversion by Christian missionaries was at the root of all the trouble in the district,' (Hindu, January 11, 1999).
Many observers saw this as a green light to his Hindu terrorist allies to continue with their anti-Christian crusade which resulted in the tragic deaths of Staines and his two children. On January 29, some 3,000 Muslims and Christians, perhaps for the first time, took out a joint procession in Delhi denouncing the government's failure to curb attacks on minorities. Even as Christians were being targeted, Muslims were being killed by the Hindu terrorists as was witnessed in Surathkal, Karnataka (see Crescent International, January 16-31, 1999).
Vajpayee's assertion that 'religious conversion by Christian missionaries was at the root of all the trouble' was dismissed by Delhi's Archbishop Alan de Lastic. He said that had Christians being involved in conversions, there would be 350 million, not a merely 23 million Christians in India.
The role of Christian missionaries in India also needs a closer look. The best known missionary, of course, was Mother Teresa, who died in August 1997. She had devoted her entire life to looking after destitute children in the slums of Calcutta. In a letter to Dalit Voice (February 1-15, 1999), Ebe Sunder Raj of India Missions Association, gave some statistics pertaining to the work of Christian missionaries. He wrote: 'The 2.3 percent Christians in the Indian population cater to 20 percent of all primary education in India, 10 percent of all the literacy and community healthcare, 25 percent of all existing care of destitutes and orphans, 30 percent of all the handicapped, lepers and AIDS patients etc.'
These are very impressive figures. So why are the Hindu terrorists targeting the very people who are helping the most deprived of the Indian society? The answer is that the Hindu terrorists belong to the upper caste. The oppressed and downtrodden in India belong to the lower castes. The upper caste Hindus do not wish to see members of the lower castes getting educated otherwise they will begin to demand their fair share as well as question why they are being deprived of their basic rights.
According to the Indian constitution, discrimination on the basis of caste is forbidden. The reality is otherwise. Prejudice cannot be erased from people's minds simply by legislation. It requires the full force of the law to punish those who violate these rules. Since power has resided in the hands of the Brahmins - the tiny class of parasites sitting at the apex of the caste pyramid - they have made sure that the lower castes continue to suffer the indignity and humiliation they have endured for millennia.
Despite much talk about Indian secularism, freedom and equality, the upper castes do not marry from the lower castes, nor allow their daughters to be married by members of the lower caste. Caste
discrimination--religiously-sanctioned apartheid--is a permanent feature of life in India, and is widespread.
Not only is such discrimination tolerated in India, even the west remains silent about it. One can imagine the rucous that would have erupted had a Christian missionary being killed in Pakistan or some other Muslim country. The US has in fact passed a bill into law under which it will impose sanctions on any country where Christians are persecuted. There is little chance of this law being applied to India.
In fact, at the time when Christians in India were protesting against their persecution at the hands of Hindu terrorists, the US was busy huddling with Indian officials offering them partnership in trade, commerce and technology. Like the Christian Palestinians suffering at the hands of the zionist occupiers, the Christians of India, too, can forget about any help from the west. The west's concern about Christians is aroused only if it undermines Muslims.
RE:BANN ALL RELIGIOUS MILITANTS IN INDIA esp RSS n VHP
by Manoj Tuli on May 18, 2007 09:47 PM Permalink
"BANN RSS goons of armed terrorists" - prove this.
RE:RE:BANN ALL RELIGIOUS MILITANTS IN INDIA esp RSS n VHP
by shawn bates on May 18, 2007 10:16 PM Permalink
whats your academics Sir are you a grad or a undergrad your emails indicate you are of low breed or else how will you defend Sangh parivar.
RE:BANN ALL RELIGIOUS MILITANTS IN INDIA esp RSS n VHP
by shawn bates on May 18, 2007 10:14 PM Permalink
hey dude Are you in wonderland or fantasising such things can never happen in India,they will never be banned they are in the pay roll of congress and BjP and some regioanl parties like TDP Aiadmk and some more parties .tommorrow you will get a common comment Let and ISI were involved mark my words they will say muslim youths were invovled
RE:BANN ALL RELIGIOUS MILITANTS IN INDIA esp RSS n VHP
by Mukesh Garg on May 18, 2007 09:52 PM Permalink
you are a stupid. Its only Pakistanis who are doing all this. Don't pull rss in this.
RE:Dear Rediff Moderators
by Anand Iyer on May 18, 2007 09:50 PM Permalink
NO. Dont say that. Of late, they have started even allowing conscientious people like Saleem to post what they think is wrong with Islam. There is definitely some improvement.
