There is something wrong with Rediff nowadays, the message of non-Muslims are being deleted as abuse, whereas the replies of Muslims are kept, which does not carry any meaning. Ironically the abusive messages of Muslims are as 'Report abuse' disabled by moderator.
For example, one gentleman under the heading of A WARNING MESSAGE TO ALL INDIANS (which carried the message of Govt of India, and recommendation to watch PUKHTA SABOOT in DD1 at 07:30 AM Sunday) has been deleted though the replies are kept. I could not understand the meaning. What was the abuse in the Prasar Bharti Programme? When Indian Government is educating the people against Islamic Terrorism, then why Rediff is discouring
I strongly feel that this prestigious website must not be communalized by hidden Islamic fundamentalists.
There is something wrong with Rediff nowadays, the message of non-Muslims are being deleted as abuse, whereas the replies of Muslims are kept, which does not carry any meaning. Ironically the abusive messages of Muslims are as 'Report abuse' disabled by moderator.
For example, one gentleman under the heading of A WARNING MESSAGE TO ALL INDIANS (which carried the message of Govt of India, and recommendation to watch PUKHTA SABOOT in DD1 at 07:30 AM Sunday) has been deleted though the replies are kept. I could not understand the meaning. What was the abuse in the Prasar Bharti Programme? When Indian Government is educating the people against Islamic Terrorism, then why Rediff is discouring
I strongly feel that this prestigious website must not be communalized by hidden Islamic fundamentalists.
ARGUEMENT: IF ISLAM WAS SPREAD BY FORCE, INDIA WOULD HAVE BEEN A MUSLIM COUNTRY.
ANSWER: THIS ARGUMENT TRIES TO MISLEAD AND CONVINCE PEOPLE THAT ISLAM WAS SPREAD BY PEACE.
THE FACT: 1. WHEN BABUR CAME TO INDIA, HE WAS BUSY ESTABLISHING HIS EMPIRE. SO HIS BUSY OCCUPATION DID NOT GIVE HIM TIME OR SCOPE TO CONVERT PEOPLE. BUT RECORDED THAT HE KILLED THOUSANDS OF KAFIRS DURING HIS CAMPAINGS IN INDIA. 2. HUMAYUN WAS UNLUCKY AND LOST HIS THROWN AND LIFE, AND THERE WAS NO SCOPE FOR COVERSIONS. 3. AKBAR WAS A GENEROUS SECULAR KING [A SEMI-KAFIR AS PER ISLAM]. HE FELT THERE SHOULD BE FREEDOM OF FAITH. 4. JAHANGIR'S MOTHER WAS A PRACTICING HINDU WOMAN. SO JAHANGIR WAS NOT INTERESTED IN CONVERSIONS. 5. SHAHJAHAN WAS A WOMANISER AND LEAD A LUXURIOUS LIFE. MOST OF HIS TIME WAS SPENT IN DRINKING, LICKING AND BUILDING MONUMENTS. SO NO INTEREST IN CONVERSIONS. 5. AURANGZEB, WHO WAS ONE OF THE GREATEST ISLAMIC CRIMINALS, CONVERTED MILLIONS BY FORCE AND HIS EMPIRE THOUGH EXPANDING WAS DISINTEGRATING RAPIDLY.
OVERALL MOGULS COULD NOT CONVERT ALL INDIANS NOT BECAUSE THEY DID NOT BELEIVE IN FORCE, BUT THEY FEARED THAT MORE AND MORE RANAs AND SHIVAJIs WILL BE BORN. PEOPLE WERE NOT INTERESTED.
BUT NAWAB OF BENGAL AND NIZAM OF HYDERABD CONVERTED MANY BY INDIRECT FORCE: THEIR COMMUNITY PEOPLE ENJOYED SPECIAL RIGHTS. LANDS, AND HIGH JOBS WERE GIVEN TO MUSLIMS. IN DISPUTES AND CLASHES LAW FAVORED MUSLIMS. IF A MUSLIM KILLED A NON-MUSLIM IT WAS TREATED AS LEGITIMATE. WHEREAS IF IT HAPPENED THE OTHER WAY ROUND SEVERE PUNISHMENTS WERE GIVEN.
IT WAS ONLY THE BRITISH, FOR THE FIRST TIME, GAVE INDIANS SOME KIND OF LAW, EVEN THOUGH IT HAD A COLONIAL SLANT, THAT PROTECTED PEOPLE IRRESPETIVE OF RELIGION.
IT WAS THE BRITISH WHO NEUTRALISED ISLAMIC DOMINATION IN INDIA. EVEN THOUGH BRITISH RULE DID NOT GIVE RIGHTS COMPARED TO THEIR OWN CITIZENS, BRITISH LAW WAS 1000 TIMES BETTER THAN THE EARLIER BARBARIC LAWS OF ISLAMIC RULERS.
BRITISHERS DID EXPOIT THE INDIA'S NATURAL RESOURCES, BUT THE CONDITIONS BEFORE THAT WERE WORSE.
RE:ISLAM WAS SPREAD BY FORCE ONLY
by ratnajayant gudavally on May 24, 2007 08:07 AM Permalink
Are EJ's observations right or wrong ? First confirm whether he is misleading any one or not . Later on further statements !
RE:ISLAM WAS SPREAD BY FORCE ONLY
by Mayroz on May 22, 2007 05:29 PM Permalink
According to your own theory, only aurangazeb was the one who forced people for islam. if u consider nizam and nawab as indirect force, then the same is done by christanity as they treats the same with there community.
Islam was never spread by force, if so anyone did then he had done wrong.
According to the latest statistics currently in the world islam is the only religion which is spreading world wide like fire. one single example is the lady journalist which got arrested by taliban, after release she converted to islam, why?, because she has seen the treatment she received by the real muslim
RE:ISLAM WAS SPREAD BY FORCE ONLY
by ratnajayant gudavally on May 24, 2007 08:04 AM Permalink
These are for the sake of their loves and lovers. They are sure of their marriage to get married and stay married... They are sure of living together happily keeping the family norms intact and stabilise for the future generations. ....Later on any thing.... T
These are not international religious standards. They are more personal please!Don't disturb them.
I believe the root cause of the terrorism is lack of farmal education. I don't think the root cause is religion. If u look at Afghanistan 64% of population is illiterates. You see, even India lacs of people are illiterates. I strongly believe the solution to terror is education and inclusive deeds. Why only muslim terrorists? How about LTTE in Srilanka, I even heard some politicians in TM state supports LTTE cause. How about Nexalits in Madhyapradesh/Andhrapradesh/maharastra...? How about ULFA in Assam? How about veerappan(No longer alive)?
...many...
If religion is a problem. Why all people belong to muslims are not bad? Why all belong to hindu/others not good. So know that problem is truly not in the religion, Its somewhere?
My personal belief is most of the organised religions are obsolete totday. They were created hundreds/thounds of yrs back. In today times religions need to be changed. Maybe holy books need to be modified. In 17/18 th century, I heard ,In west christians have changed some things in the bible. They eliminated some things/added somt, I do not know what they eliminated/added, though.
You ask either a muslim or Hindhu, well educated and leading decent life in the society to bomb a places of worship. Will HE obey? I believe certainly not. Why? He will not do, because He's well educated and have the commonsense.
I think the root cause is lack of education and lack of inclusion in the society.
What benifit we get by critisising one another? We're loosing energy and time by critisizing.
The seconday cause of the problems is politics.. You know wha, If temple s bombed only Hindus will die. If mosque is bombed only MUslims will die. But if public places are bombed, Not only Hindus will dies but muslims and other groups in the society may also die.
What benifit one will get of using dirthiest/ugliest language on religious dieties?
When people will learn to control emotions? When people in trouble instead of showing sympathy why do u talk non-sense and provocate emotions. Remember, when somebody got killed, its the innocent who got killed.
If someone is not included in the cricket team, political parties will hire loafers and make them do newsance on the public places.
When we the heck Indians will learn to control emotions and mature enough.
It's all politics why don't u understand, my dear great Indians?
Why do u try to screw each other? If U have courage screw politicians, they r most problamatic.
IN the need of the hour, never create problems, Just Help or say How may I help you or SHUT UP! that is the best thing. YOU RECEIVE WHAT U GIVE. LOVE and HELP.
Many hardliners on this message board are uneducated about the topic of muslim conversions. There were never forceful conversion in India.
Even now Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world...see the latest examples of recent times:
Mohammad Ali the boxer, did he convert to Islam by force?
Cat Stevens did he convert to Islam by force?
Sohaib Webb did he convert to Islam by force?
Hamza yousuf did he convert to Islam by force?
Yousuf Youhanna cricketer did he convert to Islam by force?
How many examples do you want?
If Khilji/Slave/Mughal Dynasty wanted to do forceful conversions it would have been fairly easy for them....don't you think 500 years are NOT enough for any kingdom to forcefully convert all to any religion?
Do some math:
According to people like you, you say now Muslims are 15%
So, 50 years before were they 7% So, 100 years before 2.5% (remember contraception was not common 100 years before)
So 200 years before (1800 AD) Muslims were 0.5%
Go another 100 years back (1700 Aurangzeb)....Muslims were 0.01
Go another 100 years back (1600 Akbar's period) ....Muslims were 0.001%
So do you think great kings of Mughals were able to convert only 0.01 % of the population? Ridiculous.
Bottom line if they want they could have done at least 20% of population to forcefully convert.....by the time of Aurangzeb.....but that never happened....
The main reason of conversion in India happened due to sufi saints of Islam.
RE:Never forceful conversions in India
by Prasanna Veerabhadraiah on May 24, 2007 01:35 PM Permalink
Muslim population is growing because every muslim man can marry any number of women. The marriage laws for them and the children they produce use the formula n males * n females (where n is 1 to infinity) whereas for other religions it is 1 male * 1 female
This is the simple logic for muslim growth. I think the person who is reporting this as abuse is also muslim and follows n * n principles lol...
RE:RE:Never forceful conversions in India
by farooq ali on May 20, 2007 11:55 AM Permalink
TODAY IS ISLAM THE FASTEST GROWING RELIGION IN THE WORLD..SOO OTHER RELIGIONS COULD NOT STOP THEM FROM GROWING , SOO THEY FOUND OUT THE BEST WAY TO BOM ISLAM BY MEDIA NEUCLEAR BOM AND SPREADING THE MESSAGE MUSLIMS BAD BAD.....JUST IMAGINE FOR A SECOND EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD THERE IS SUCH A HUGE HATE CAMPAIN GOING ON IN THE WORLD AGAINST MUSLIMS BUT STILL PPL FROM OTHER FAITHS ARE CHOOSING ISLAM...WHY???....BCOZ ITS THE BEST WAY OF LIFE, ITS THE MIDDLE PATH ..NOT ULTRA MODERN NOT PRIMITIVE AND ALSO ITS THE ONLY SOLUTION FOR ALL OUR PROBLEMS ..MODERN LAW IS ONLY FROM OUTSIDE LOOKS GOOD BUT IT DOES NOT GO TO THE ROOT CAUSE WHERE AS ISLAM ISLAM GOES TO THE ROOTS OF EVERYTHING AND SOLVES IT..ISLAM IS THE ONLY RELIGION WHICH IS CHOOSEN BY THE PPL WITH LOT OF RESEARCH ..YOU CAN SEE MISSIONARIES CONVERTING TO ISLAM ( BIGGEST MISSIONARY IN CANADA FOR EXAMPLE)...AND ACHRAYAS COMING TI ISLAM..WHY???
RE:Never forceful conversions in India
by The Lion on May 21, 2007 01:34 PM Permalink
Dear Gentlemen, "fastest growing" cant fit a religion. You speak like soaring market value and booming civil construction sector. A religion is not a product to be marketed and increase the volume. You ppl words clearly tell whats actually there in your minds.
How far you push and do all, the world will move on its own way and islam like religion wont stay with. You all will witness it.
RE:Never forceful conversions in India
by The Lion on May 19, 2007 04:18 PM Permalink
Why rediff is bias and leaning on oneside that is useless? Nothing can stop the voices and happenings of truth, fact and darma. Mighty India once been from the borders of afghan to burma has shrinked to today state. You wont allow outsider into your home but there is absolutely none to safeguard this nation from the intruders.
Mohammad Ali the boxer Cat Stevens Sohaib Webb Hamza yousuf Yousuf Youhanna.....
....are todays faces whom might had opted islam incidentally.
But HISTORICALLY Islam was introduced forcefully be the Dictators like Taimoor, Gazhi, Auranzeed etc. It was ultimate Blood Shed in India by these animals.
Dont act clever. See the difference in PERIOD of happenings.
sufi saints did nothing in India but they were just common travelers to glance the mightiness of thatday India. Islam been rooted here now, you like chaps refer those travels like some special trips. Got!
RE:Never forceful conversions in India
by The Lion on May 19, 2007 04:25 PM Permalink
Little commonsense here.
Only British introducted Population sesus in modern India. Then how come in Auranzeeps and Akbars period in communal vise. That too so statistical.
Again if you refuse convertion and any other mode to this huge increase in the percentage of total population then are your ready to accept that reproduction is the main cause?
