I want to make a categorical statement here..... 90% of muslims in India are loyal to pakistan and 80% christians feel that their roots are in Rome.... They have a problem aligning themselves to the culture of this country...
RE:90% muslims
by deep dar on May 19, 2007 09:16 AM Permalink
yup, Chatrapathy is wrong, > 90% of Muslims owe single-minded allegiance to Allah and Mohammed, that's why they want Sharia in India, they don't want to mix with Hindus, that's why they concentrate in specific areas in cities: 1. Mumbra in Mumbai. 2. Mankapur in Nagpur. 3. Old city in Hyderabad. 4. Old city in Ahmedabad. 5. Salt Lake in Calcutta. Not long ago, a Muslim who posts here regularly said that he doesn't trust the Indian Constitution, he feels the fatwas issued by clerics are better.
RE:90% muslims
by LRMS Naidu on May 19, 2007 09:14 AM Permalink
Don't Block your mind and try to change your mind set. See the things vely. Now a days people are becoming soft and there are no boundaries like caste, religion etc. We are all ONE. The same change can be felt from post attack incidents. No major voilence. People are realistic and wants live happily - No more Dharnas, Bandhs, Riots etc. Only Peace.........
RE:RE:90% muslims
by deep dar on May 19, 2007 09:21 AM Permalink
Let me give u one example: In TOI, I have read more than 10 incidents in the space of a month where a Muslim boy married a Hindu girl. These incidents happened in Gujarat. In TOI, I read a single instance of a Muslim girl marrying a Hindu boy. After the day of their marriage, the girl went missing, she was kidnapped, the police are unable to find her.
the truth is that Muslims prefer to marry Hindu girls, convert them to Islam, and then ditch them as they can marry 4 women. But, they can't stand the sight of a girl from their community marrying some Hindu.
Let me give u one more example. Farooq Abdullah, the former CM of J & K, married a Christian. His son, Omar Abdullah, married a Hindu girl. the old man was very happy. But, when his daughter married a Hindu boy, he disowned her. Now, u tell me, don't divisions exist in the society? Divisions exist since some beliefs are fundamentally incompatible. It is for real, denying the fundamental issues doesn't change anything.
RE:RE:RE:90% muslims
by LRMS Naidu on May 19, 2007 09:42 AM Permalink
Gap b/n one generation to next genration is vast wrt viewing / handling the issues like the subject. There is lot of change one can see in near future will be Unity of vision for global peace.
RE:90% muslims
by rajesh bhaskar on May 19, 2007 10:54 AM Permalink
that is what happend to indira gandhi also. he married to parsi, parsi want her to be converted sit and wear purdha, indira didn't listen to crap and she become famous
I will come to ur house and I will start wooing ur wife. I will start fabricating stories against u and I will start villyfying u, I will buy extravagant gifts for her. would u oppose this or would u say that the girl belongs to the guy who lures her the best. These Christian missionaries are doing the same thing, coming to my house and wooing our people, by maligning our religion . I wont tolerate them
RE:Christian Missionaries
by Onlooker on May 19, 2007 06:41 AM Permalink
Hello Chatrapathy, At the most your wife would have got a Bible. Is that what you mean extravagant gift?
Alright, you don't have to tolerate them. So deal with them but lawfully.
RE:Christian Missionaries
by Ratnesh Singh on May 19, 2007 07:47 AM Permalink
very true. these christian missionaries are exactly doing what you said. they may pretend that they are eradicating poverty or educating people but all is just a curtain to hide their real agenda.....thats conversion.
RE:Christian Missionaries
by deep dar on May 19, 2007 09:23 AM Permalink
One more thing that Christian missionaries tell poor people is that Krishna and Ram can't solve ur problems, Jesus can. Now, tell me, what has religion got to do with food, clothing and shelter? These r material possessions, they can be earned only by education and employment. It was because of this that Swami Vivekananda once said, "OFFERING RELIGION TO A STARVING MAN IS A CRIME."
RE:truth
by deep dar on May 19, 2007 09:25 AM Permalink
why Jews and Christians = hell?? they r nice people, atleast Jews are, can't say that with absolute certainty about Christians.
Visit coastal Andhra Pradesh and see the pace at which the conversions are going on, partly by luring poverty stricken people with money and partly by villifying Hindusim. If u are not aware of facts just shut ur mouth or if u want a proof, come along with me to east Godavari in coatal Andhra
RE:Onlooker- See the reality
by Onlooker on May 19, 2007 05:02 AM Permalink
Yours is like saying Ambassador is losing business cause Hyundai is bribing to get into Indian markets.
RE:Onlooker- See the reality
by Chatrapathy on May 19, 2007 05:10 AM Permalink
Missionaries are not religious institutes, they are huge bussiness organisations...Their solo aim is to get as many people into Christianity as possible. Dont post msgs with out proper understanding and knowledge
RE:Onlooker- See the reality
by Karnataka Bhawan on May 19, 2007 05:20 AM Permalink
Exactly right. None of these christian schools in big cities give admission to poor students. Why dosent the government apply reservation in these schools. Christian religion is the most false religion. All you have to do is watch some of their crap on TV . LOL its like a comedy show where they claim to cure diseases on stage . LMAO.
RE:Onlooker- See the reality
by cool guy on May 19, 2007 02:14 PM Permalink
Its better than the stupid stories of monkey men,elephant men and eagle men flying and jumping around and doing nothing. You call that a religion? Why so paranoid about christianity?
RE:Onlooker- See the reality
by andre joseph on May 19, 2007 06:43 AM Permalink
Incidentally, almost 200 years of Christianity in India has "Converted" only 2.5% of India's population. If you know mathematics, sit and calculate how long it is going to take to "Convert" all the Hindus to Christianity. Here in Northern California, I see so many followers of ISKON trying to get people into their fold. Should this be called "Conversion". There is a limit to stupidity and it do well for people like you to limit your knowledge to yourself. Don't advertise it on public forums like this, lest people laugh at you. You know nothing about Hinduism and that is the reason you come up with such foolish statements. Hinduism is too strong a Religion for a few dollars to make a dent. It has lasted over 5000 years and will last another 5 million years.
RE:Onlooker- See the reality
by Malathi U on May 19, 2007 08:50 AM Permalink
Dear Joseph, the problem with Christianity is besides conversion it makes the converted people to hate their culture, roots and traditions. You say you live in USA, than I don't have to mention what Spanish people did to South American people and its culture and what happened to Native Americans. It is just like abusing your own mother, don't you think so?
RE:Onlooker- See the reality
by andre joseph on May 19, 2007 11:50 AM Permalink
This is silly as silly can get. Nobody has anything to say about why half of India is not Christian in spite of such rampant "Conversion". I am a Christian and lived 43 years of my life in India. I NEVER asked any of my Hindu friends (incidentally most of my friends are Hindus)to even think of me as a Christian, let alone preaching Christianity to them. I don't deny there are black sheep, but that is very much part of any religion. Forceful conversion is something I am yet to come across. To be honest, I miss India terribly and am looking forward to the day I can get back. Why don't you people look at the positive side of Christianity in India. When you point fingers, why not ask yourself this question. How many of you would go to a god forsaken village in Bihar where even dacoits fear to tread and work in a Dispensary? How many of you would go and teach in a Village where the only road is a Cattle track? Why don't you look at the positive side of Christianity in India rather than go by what a few idiots set out to do? How many of you know that most of India's best schools and hospitals are run by Christian organizations? Have any of you been asked to "Convert" to Christianity when you go to a Christian Hospital? Have you ever been refused treatment because you are Hindu? It's easy to paint everyone with the same brush, but before doing so, it would do well to check facts.
RE:Onlooker- See the reality
by deep dar on May 19, 2007 09:27 AM Permalink
Joseph, ISKCON doesn't catch poor, uneducated, starving, rotting, helpless beggars and convert them to Hinduism. Only educated, well-to-do and sensible people r attracted to Hinduism. Have u ever considered the profile of the people who convert to Christianity in India? There's an order-of-magnitude difference in Hinduism and Christianity, moreover, Hinduism doesn't enjoin upon Hindus to convert others.
RE:Onlooker- See the reality
by Libran on May 19, 2007 07:05 AM Permalink
I agree. If Iskon is trying to convert by force or allurement, they should be condemned more than condemning Muslims or Christians trying to convert. For Muslims and Christians, conversion is considered a sacred act by their respective religions. Iskonites should understand that Hinduism does not have any ritual called 'conversion'. Krishna said in Gita that "Swadharme Nidhane Shreya" That means it is better to die in the faith that one is born.
RE:Onlooker- See the reality
by Karnataka Bhawan on May 19, 2007 05:22 AM Permalink
Well in the west people are leaving christianity as the population is educated , they have come to realize the false story spread about jesus and others. So now these people are looking for poor uneducated people in india to fool.
RE:Onlooker- See the reality
by Chatrapathy on May 19, 2007 05:53 AM Permalink
Dear Onlooker,
I will come to ur house and I will start wooing ur wife. I will start fabricating stories against u and I will start villyfying u, I will buy extravagant gifts for her. would u oppose this or would u say that the girl belongs to the guy who lures her the best. These Christian missionaries are doing the same thing, coming to my house and wooing my wife
RE:Onlooker- See the reality
by Onlooker on May 19, 2007 06:50 AM Permalink
See your contradicting now Bhawan. Why then the christian missionaries first give education before they teach them their religion?
RE:Onlooker- See the reality
by photonman on May 19, 2007 09:14 AM Permalink
Sorry to interrupt this heated discussion - but what has this got to do with the bomb blasts in Hyderabad? Surely they were not conversion related!
RE:RE:Onlooker- See the reality
by deep dar on May 19, 2007 09:29 AM Permalink
It's simple, if a Christian missionary really wanted upliftment of the poor, he would just educate them, but making it contingent upon a change of faith is what makes them VILE.
Visit coastal Andhra Pradesh and see the pace at which the conversions are going on, partly by luring poverty stricken people with money and partly villifying and Hindusim. If u are not aware of facts just shut ur mouth or if u want a proof, come along with me to east Godavari in Andhra
RE:Onlooker- See the reality
by cool guy on May 19, 2007 04:31 PM Permalink
What are you doing then for these poor people? You are not even doing what they are doing. So shut ur mouth and do ur job. Dont blame others when they are doing something for the poor. You dont do good to poor people but criticize the people who do good for them. Grow up man.
RE:Iam an Indian
by cool guy on May 19, 2007 04:37 PM Permalink
Mr. Subbu. When you will know the "truth" you will know what you have spoken is wrong. Just wait and time will answer you appropriately. I cannot say much coz it is your choice. Good luck till then.btw what nonsense does the Bible contain? Can you please elaborate?
RE:Iam an Indian
by andre joseph on May 19, 2007 11:56 AM Permalink
I live in America and I am yet to come across many American ladies who want to marry Asians irrespective of their religious beliefs. Please do not write such foolish things and make sure your son is not after some white girl.
