duded.. try to understand.. i dont think anyone one would compare independence struggle of a nation to 9/11. I guess the author is making an attempt to see the roots of 9/11 from this long gone historic event... Basically trying to say the Islamists are born through the stupid things that were done in the long gone past by the Christians themselves through their armies and missionaries.. Thats the idea. Try to understand the context rather than calling stupid...
RE:Dumbos.. try to understand the author's point of view..
by firefly on May 07, 2007 05:35 PM Permalink
Please read the context first Dream Gurl..and stop dreaming.
The author has well written about Hindu-Muslim unity that has gone waste over the years. All freedom fighters wasted their life to save their motherland and give it to a bunch of weak minded people.
He has mentioned about some fanatic groups of islam which again he has told is instigated by saudi arabian fanatics.
The good example he has shown here is about Zafars modern views and moral soul. Which people dont have nowadays.
Every thing is good except the view that Talibanism started in India. He should have straight away said that again the extremism flowed form Saudi Arab.
Indian Muslims were good and were united with hindus. Hindus too were happy under the regime of nawab.
The seed of seperation was sowed by our own mean political people..who elase otherwise can dare to carry out such a vast division??????
RE:Dumbos.. try to understand the author's point of view..
by S R on May 07, 2007 05:22 PM Permalink
Before lecturing others come out of the Dream "land" Girl!!!!!
We always blame the British for dividing us without questioning why did we allow ourselves to be divided. Why did we allow our free spirit and thinking become slaves to the mob mentality. 1857 for anything should be remembered for the immense unity that it brought about among Hindus and Muslims. We divided ourselves by our narrow minded thought process. We blame the leaders because thats what human beings always do. We didnt have the courage to be masters of our own destiny.
RE:Wrong Learnings from History
by vani kasiviswanathan on May 07, 2007 05:28 PM Permalink
On what lines do you think the British divided us? Even before the advent of the British, several languages, religions, castes, cultures coexisted in our country. The one thing that united us all was the SACRED GAYATHRI MANTRA and the PRINCIPLE OF SANATANA DHARMA. It was British who started false propaganda about our own beliefs. They had only one intention - to undermine and ridicule our religion, beliefs, and values. They succeeded in making us doubt our own beliefs and values!! They also succeeded in converting large number of people to Christianity. They way the Mughals and the British destroyed and plundered our temples and rich heritage is unpardonable.
RE:Wrong Learnings from History
by Ramasubramaniam Iyer on May 07, 2007 11:24 PM Permalink
Yes blame the British on dividing us and conquering us. If you ought to know Majority of British soldiers where Hindus (including Brahmins) and Muslims and Sikhs. Not all Sepoys took part in this war of Idenpendance. The Sikh regiment sided with the British etc etc. Atrocities and brutalities committed on Indian freedom fighters were committed by Indians soldiers themselves. My thought is we humans are not animals. God has given us brains to think and then act. We are responsible for our actions. My point is if someone comes and tells you to jump into the well or rather push your neighbour into the well and you will get heaven will you listen to that person or will you listen to your own conscience.
RE:Wrong Learnings from History
by Shivkumar Singh on May 07, 2007 05:59 PM Permalink
Very correct Vani. It is difficult to judge weather more damage was done by Brits or by Islamic hoards. Any comments?
Why is the writercomparing the incident to 9/11? The reasons/causes of both the incidents are of such different scenarios.
5/11 1857,the cause was to remove miscreants and tyrant foreigners from OUR COUNTRY.
And the mishap done on 9/11 was a terrorist activity. Bcoz it was done on foreign land and was a act of cowardice and tyranny.
Please dont mix two different things. The writer is suposedly unpatriotic, as it writes about the advent of Taliban in our country.....seemingly trying to convince the world that terrorism started in INDIA.
What does this article support..fundamentalism of ruining the countries pride..spoiling our image internationally.
RE:Stupid Writer is confused...
by vijay babu on May 07, 2007 05:43 PM Permalink
Dear Firefly,
The authour is trying to explain things from the point of view that "terrorist are made and not born".
The british had called the Indian freedon fighters as mutinors. The Indian freedom fighters on 5/11 did not kill only british soilders but also british women and children (even infants were not spared). Further they also killed indians who had converted to christianity. I am sure in british at that time 1857 would have seen it same as 9/11 were most killed (all) were civilians and not soldiers.
I am sure if our freedom fighters have had the facilities of taliban of this day would have done the same. Sorry to refer our freedom fighters with taliban. (Infact I am ashamed to do so). But the point to be noted is there is a reason for all acts of violence and the author tries to make the US to stop the war against taliban in its current form and try to find a more peacefull solution by dropping its imperialist (capitalist) behaviour.
I have read the book and I assure you the contents of the book is not unpatriotic. I also have a suggestion to you "please read the entire presentation - you will also accept the same"
RE:Stupid Writer is confused...
by Anchal Sultania on May 07, 2007 05:04 PM Permalink
Read the article completely before replying fanatically over a sentence. I wonder sometimes, how can people so ridiculous at times. It's just his viewpoint, as he sees similarity between the two. If you cannot, you have no reason to call the author stupid.
Learn to respect the viewpoint of others dude, else a day will come when no-one will respect you views/viewpoints.
RE:RE:Stupid Writer is confused...
by Krishnakumar G on May 07, 2007 05:41 PM Permalink
You are absolutely right! People write whatever they want not understanding other peoples feelings. Just bcos in the net u can write whatever u want, ppl have startedwriting real rubbish. The book is abt the countrys pride and not against it. Any civilisation will have its own mistakes and good things. But greatness comes when it is accepted in the right spirit. People like firefly think that they are the greatest patriots whereas they are exactly the opposite.
RE:Stupid Writer is confused...
by firefly on May 07, 2007 05:20 PM Permalink
Hello,
Its good to write 100 good things. But even one wrong sentence can ruin a peaceful image that india has maintained for several years. I have read the complete thing and answered.
All the other things are good accept the agreement of 1857 and 9/11 to be same...and i hope no one will agree on this.
9/11 is a act of cowardice, which everyone knows that majorly asians died in it.
Its a good article, ive read it. The intention is good to unite Hindus and Muslims.
But dont u think a statement like the "the americans should know that Talibanic views started in North India is bad even for all Muslims in India?"
Again im saying, even a single wrongly framed sentence can ruin a age good image.
And if the writer considers himself as responsible, he should be pin-point careful.
Im always in the favour of sarva dharma priya nation.
why are english speaking about mogul.English as they were then and now also are following divide and rule policy. Why hold emperor as responsible. british were scoundrels who divided whole world into pieces may be earlier as in india SA elsewhere or now US in form iraq, iran and etc
RE:William Dalrymple
by Samudraniel Dasgupta on May 07, 2007 05:10 PM Permalink
He certainly is, but why he would call ( does he or does the writer of the feature?)the first freedom movement a mutiny baffles us!
RE:William Dalrymple
by vijay babu on May 07, 2007 05:45 PM Permalink
Dear Firefly,
The authour is trying to explain things from the point of view that "terrorist are made and not born".
The british had called the Indian freedon fighters as mutinors. The Indian freedom fighters on 5/11 did not kill only british soilders but also british women and children (even infants were not spared). Further they also killed indians who had converted to christianity. I am sure in british at that time 1857 would have seen it same as 9/11 were most killed (all) were civilians and not soldiers.
I am sure if our freedom fighters have had the facilities of taliban of this day would have done the same. Sorry to refer our freedom fighters with taliban. (Infact I am ashamed to do so). But the point to be noted is there is a reason for all acts of violence and the author tries to make the US to stop the war against taliban in its current form and try to find a more peacefull solution by dropping its imperialist (capitalist) behaviour.
I have read the book and I assure you the contents of the book is not unpatriotic. I also have a suggestion to you "please read the entire presentation - you will also accept the same"
RE:William Dalrymple
by Dream Girl on May 07, 2007 05:15 PM Permalink
dude.. try to understand.. i dont think anyone one would compare independence struggle of a nation to 9/11. I guess the author is making an attempt to see the roots of 9/11 from this long gone historic event... Basically trying to say the Islamists are born through the stupid things that were done in the long gone past by the Christians themselves through their armies and missionaries.. Thats the idea. Try to understand the context rather than calling stupid...
