Let us draw the attention of our Shiv Shankar Menon internally. Take the case of Gujarat. So called "Super Secularists" "NGOs" funded by the Arab World, "English News Channel" backed by their American principle come together and bang Mr. Modi for the ills that happened during the Godhra carnage. Nobody would like to listen as to who was prime culprit or the prime motivator(s) of the conflict. Then, you would loose the section of the voters or you would harm their identity. Ok,Modi did play King Nero type of remaining mum. Then election took place and he won hands down spraying charcoal powders on these people mentioned above. Then comes the Vanzara case. All of a sudden he becomes a villian and Sohrabuddin becomes a bechara victim. Despite all these allegations or truth there has been significant growth in Gujarat. Despite being a uneasy calm as claimed by super secular english or hindi media channels or newspaper walas, politicians, ngo's how is it that there has been an economic growth in the state. For that you cant expect kudos from these people to Modi but when there has been a fake encounter on a secular mafia there is a hue and cry.
RE:Peace for good economics
by dpk on May 06, 2007 02:34 PM Permalink
1) The people killed in Godhra were Indians. The people killed after that were Indians as well. So as a chief minister of an Indian state Modi owes responsibility of both.
2) Lalu Yadav is seen as the prime reason for Indian railways success. Does it mean that he is now free of all Scams ? A lot of criminals get elected everywhere in the country does that mean that they are clean ?
3) Sohabuddin was a known criminal with 56 cases against him. These 56 cases were not registered in a day but over a long period. So it is a fact that he was operating from BJP ruled state for so long, so there is no need to say who was supporting him. When the BJP found that he has become a headache they used the supari killer police to kill him. Now this is just a matter of criminalization of the whole political system.
RE:Peace for good economics
by aim on May 06, 2007 08:17 PM Permalink
1) People killed in Godhra(Hindus) are lesser an Indian than people killed afterwards. Because there no comment about Kashmir and the genocide aganist Pandits conducted by moslems of kashmir. Over ten times the people have been killed in Kashmir than in Godhra. As usual, moslem residents are the sole reason for intigating violence and the resulting meyham. But moslem commentators as usual ignore those inconvenient facts and post only Gujarat.
(2) lalu Yadav is only reaping all the good work done by a few bureaucrats. Being the right man at the right place and that too at the right time, circumstances were kind to him. Kinda like Sonia Gandhi. PV Narasimha Rao and Vajpayee do the good work, she reaps the benefits. As usual, Hindus work hard and create all the wealth and moslems get first clim on resources.
(3) New details are emerging. Sohabbuddin was the guy behing the fake sex-cd case against a BJP leader. Possibly, his murdered wife the participant in the blackmail racket.
RE:Peace for good economics
by biz Narayan on May 06, 2007 02:49 PM Permalink
You can't have a group of people claiming to be torch bearers, and being paid by marxist mafia, as well as mafia supported with vested intrests.
Those who ignore this aspect of international funding, are ignorants, and more often benificiaries in a power structure.
The problem with argument#1 is that, suppose you fix responsibility, they you are forced to show him some respect for his office. Instead, you have columnists who would throw mud and disrty stuff at anybody who can listen to Modi. Instead these people would listen to propaganda of anti-national, vested intrests and sociologists.
It is scary when Budhadev says he will send police to Nandigram, why all these NGOs are missing, where their vocabulary gone ? Tasleema gets harassed even though she is part of the authors lobby.
The agents of antalatic have an issue with India, they want change to some dirty ideologies, including obnoxious marxism.
Its a TRUTH! But to obtain peace COWARDICE actions are undesirable! Its possible to acieve peace with dignity when men are upright and corruption free! WHO WANTS TO DENY IT?
At projected 8% growth rate, the energy need would have to grow at min 10%, would be 10 times higher by 2031. For 10% growth rate it would be 15 times higher, i.e. triple the estimate given by Mr. Menon. While US currently is already 25 times higher than India. The new policy "A stable, moderate and prosperous Pakistan" as distinct from NDA's "strong and prosperous Pakistan" is also latent with new possibilities.
Menon is resorting to sophistry and is sweeping under the carpet difficult issues.
India faces twin challenges of Totalitarian Islamism and totalitarian Communism.
Since the days of Mohummad Ghazni, Islamism has remained an albatross across our necks. Post 1949 Chinese takeover of Tibet, Chinese Imperialism compounded our problems.
India had suffered on account of our inability to fashion a strategic response to the above problems. Menon's response too does not reflect a strategic response to the above challenges. Mere sophistry and sweeping the core issues under the carpet beyond public view has never helped anyone.
RE:Speech Sophistry
by vivekanand on May 06, 2007 02:25 PM Permalink
singha,
how long u will weep for past spoiling future prospects.
peace inside country is most important pre requisite for grwth. and it will not come by polarising communities, and blaming others religion using inflammatory language.
RE:Speech Sophistry
by Manohar on May 06, 2007 02:39 PM Permalink
Oh yeah!! what an idea vivek. People ...see this fellow vivek...the face of indian politicians.. "India faces twin challenges of Totalitarian Islamism and totalitarian Communism. " is very apt sentence. Dont try to act smart. I have respect for muslims who dont blindly believe "I will do this cos this is written in koran"..Koran or sunnah is just a collection..written by human. People like you suck!! Saying Jai Hind is anti-secular today. Celebrating hinduism doesnt degrade islam. Dont be such a coward.
RE:Speech Sophistry
by vivekanand on May 06, 2007 02:56 PM Permalink
manohar,
which world u r living in. saying jai hind is not anti secular near those whome u call pseudosecular.
how can u disagree that india will not grow if we fuel hatred. some hindu are also Totalitarian same like some muslims. regardless of whose share is more, voilence crippes economy.
RE:Speech Sophistry
by Manohar on May 06, 2007 03:11 PM Permalink
I stand for unity. But i hate hypocrites, I dont blame u. Tamil and telugu people are to be blamed. I wish BJP had made pact with Karunanidi and Chandra babu naidu had won. BJP would have come into power. Shame on Congress. And of course mulayam..he says SIMI is not terrorist Org..How do u expect a country to be peacefulwhen u have such leaders...And despite the violence in gujrat, its still no.1 in india. Hindus stand for live and let live unlike muslims. If there is one party thats trying to uplift hindus, you people call it religious. DOnt u feel bad when muslims reject to sing national anthem or vandemataram. No body talks against muslims then. Be Open man!! We just came out of Muslim/British tyranny just 60 yrs ago.. Dont try to send India to those dark ages by denying hinduism.
RE:Speech Sophistry
by vivekanand on May 06, 2007 05:19 PM Permalink
mr manohar,
just count how many sentences in ur reply looking for common grounds for unity, and how many more of them searching differences and reasons to disunite.
India is sinking under UPA. The world is seeing how cynical a Govt can be without any direction or unable to take tough action against terrorism, infiltration, organized mafia, drugs, maoists.
China has upped the ante. So has Prachanda. So has Musharraf who was literally boxed when AB Vajpayee was PM.
So much so, India squandered its decades old gain against terrorism and equated it with pakistan, the sponsorer.
Now we have Lashkar E Taiba organizing major rallies in an Indian Capital.
Worse are to come. Unless this Govt in thrown out/
RE:India is sinking under UPA
by dpk on May 06, 2007 02:17 PM Permalink
"So has Musharraf who was literally boxed when AB Vajpayee was PM"
--> What about the famous Breakfast Musharraf had with the media ? --> What about Sushma swaraj becoming a live commentator of Musharrafs visit to India. She was commenting on each and every move as if she was "impressed".
China has upped the ante -->China was always too good for India. China helps Pakistan to keep a pressure on India thru Kashmir. India has to maintain army strength which hinders Indias military growth while China is drastically reducing its foot soldiers and recplacing them very high tech and advanced equipment.
"Now we have Lashkar E Taiba organizing major rallies in an Indian Capital." --> In Delhi ????
RE:Fair
by Deep Patel on May 05, 2007 03:45 AM Permalink
Blue, Article is great but you appear to be more immature than any by calling people kids and immature in advance.
RE:Fair
by eagle on May 05, 2007 12:26 AM Permalink
Man aren't you a prophet.
I was expecting the same. But you see the immature, pessimistic kids dont even have the patient enough nor the maturity to read and understand this long article no wonder none gave a comment.
