RE:Good move by TN....
by hemant sahoo on Mar 30, 2007 04:42 PM Permalink
Yes you are absolutely right. Let the people strive for food and shelter but give them color TV for entertainmemnt.
Don't you think with that small 5000 rupees theose ppl getting a TV can start a new business and get some extra income for the family?
RE:Good move by TN....
by veerapandian on Mar 30, 2007 04:49 PM Permalink
Don't fall prey to these modern street showmasters(read politicians). They have called for the bandh in flash stopping even trains.Will these jokers pay from their pockets for the losses suffered? Whereas you and I pay indirectly. The caste exists today only because of them and Hindu religious leaders.
RE:Good move by TN....
by INA on Mar 30, 2007 04:56 PM Permalink
We the people only pay for the losses from Bandh, we the majority suppressed people only going to get benifit out of it.
It is a bandh called by every people of TN and it is paid by TN people.
Until we get the justice we will not stop the protest against this kind of anti social injustice.....
RE:RE:Good move by TN....
by Jurist Jurist on Mar 30, 2007 05:21 PM Permalink
Hai INA I am against the present form of reservation followed in INDIA, because
Where the daughter of an IFS officer turned President of India still claim her self as a member of weaker section and join IFS under quota and still call herself as member of weaker section and can push through her children under reservation,
Where all the central and state ministers who are crorepathi, still call them selves as weaker section and claim all the benefits to their children under reservation,
Where all the MPs and MLAs who are richest among the rich still call them selves as weaker section and can push through their children under reservation,
Where public and private sector employees drawing laks of rupees as salary and who are also IT assesses, still call them selves as weaker section and claim all the benefits to their children under reservation,
Where all businessmen possessing assets worth for crores and crores of money still call them selves as weaker section and can push through their children under reservation.
But on the contrary some sections of the society in the name of CASTE, will be denied of any such benefits in spite of the fact that still most of them are poorer than the members of the so called downtrodden community.
Where a small group of persons in the so called downtrodden community still call them selves as weaker section and can push through their children under reservation again and again and corners the benefit of reservation for generations together and denying the same to the members of their own community who actually deserves for the same.
INDIAN style of reservation is nothing but a State sponsored fraud on its subjects.
RE:Good move by TN....
by veerapandian on Mar 30, 2007 04:34 PM Permalink
TN is a forerunner in everything that should not be done. What kind of social justice we have achieved? Are people marrying forgeting their castes? Do these polical parties are fielding candidates outside majority caste in elections? No caste based violence in TN? Brahmins are only 3% in TN and they are the ones who have done something for the SC/ STs.Not the OBCs.The biggest wonder in the modern world today is one who is not a OBC in TN.You want a reservation based on 1931 census?
I am strongly in the favor of decision from the Supreme Courts stay order on 27 per cent quota for OBC%u2019s in elite educational institutions.
Students from IIM%u2019s, IIT%u2019s, and AIIMS are proud of India. These are the people those represents India outside to the whole world. If a sub-standard reserved candidate doctor passed from AIIMS can endangered the life of a patient. People from IIT%u2019s , IIM%u2019s are the leaders of the country, these are the people those are going to give direction to India%u2019s growth. How you can compromise on the quality of the people on that levell!!!
Today these institutes have reputation world wide. If newer methods of sub-standarising the system kept on coming than by the year 2020 these institutes will loss its whole glare in world and country will struggle its stand in the world competitive markets.
India is booming & country is in dire need of quality people those can put force in the growth of the country. Today country needs people who can render quality services. If country does not value the quality people, then these will not stay in the country. And brain drain is going like anything.
Statement from our politicians like Arjun singh, V P Singh and M Karunanidhi in the favor of reservation are strongly condemned. In the wake of notification passed by Supreme court, Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu MR. M Karunanidhi, said the apex court verdict affects the rights of Parliament and was a setback to the socially and educationally oppressed sections of society. I want to ask them it%u2019s very good that they want to uplift some part of society, but how its justified to uplift the one by suppressing other.
This system is not fair to the non-reserved categories. Reservation is believed by the people those know country only by caste and creeds that exits 300years ago. This will divide the country further on the basis of newer lines & do nothing else. Today country is in need of more rational approach instead of following policies those segregate the country.
I am saying that these people don%u2019t need up-liftment. But up-liftment can be given by the ways of stipends, free education and better facilities. Giving raises by reserving seats is not a rationale thinking and acceptable. Let the people from OBC%u2019s prove there caliber to have this kind of premier education.
Reservation rules will not do anything good for the country. Instead it will start a horde for the people to become backward. In today%u2019s era there is dire need for the country to get forward, instead going the other way? Vivek Garg (Ludhaina)
If UN take some steps to give INDIA an award for permanent non cooperation btw states , No talent based growth only caste based , No educated politicians etc..that wud be of great help and will make everyone around the world to laugh for the title " INDIA A GLOBAL LEADER SOON".. IIT and IIM are the institutions which gain pride to the nation with only top rankers performing thr and brining great research and innovative ideas in thr concerned subjects.. I HAVE BEEN IN UK for 2 years and great univ like oxford , cambridge etc really honour guys from IIT and IIM.. These institutes getting into reservation is a great insult for the nation which would now bring in average and fools to this institute to spoil the reputation of the institute...
I dont understand y the govt is taking some foolish steps in the form of development.. If real talent is thr and marks are on the sheets no IIT or IIM is gonna reject ur seat irrespective of the caste... This is nothing but an eye wash to the ppl of those caste to stamp their votes for these dirty politicians.. now the politicians will make a list 10 lacs for a BE seat in IIT 20 lacs for a ME seat 40 lacs for MBA in IIM etc.. and again the rich ppl in OBC will pay the politicians and get this seat for their son or daughter in the name of reservation other caste like SC ST MBC etc..will have this bribe and apart from that they shud spend for fake OBC community certificate to obtain a seat.. INDIA IS GOING DOWN AT A RAPID speed just becoz US UK and other rich countries are investing money here INDIA is haning out.. IF AT ALL THEY TAKE OUT THEIR HAND..STRAIGHT TO THE PIT OF SHIT is the countries situation... If u ppl wud have read the same rediff today..thr is a news called RATE OF INDIANS BECOMING US CITIZENS have INCREASED...this is what US is smartly doing capturing all brilliant ppl to his country .. If u are not bright enuf OBC OR BBC cant give any reservation for u in US dears... AFTER 20 YRS ALL BRAINY INDIANS WILL SETTLE ABROAD WITH THESE KIND OF POISIONOUS STEPS FROM GOVT and india will be left only with uneducated ppl whr US has no job to invest here.. at that time lets see whr india can develop... INDIA WILL NEVER COME UP unless and until this caste system is taken out in everything..
I am strongly in the favor of decision from the Supreme Courts stay order on 27 per cent quota for OBC%u2019s in elite educational institutions.
Students from IIM%u2019s, IIT%u2019s, and AIIMS are proud of India. These are the people those represents India outside to the whole world. If a sub-standard reserved candidate doctor passed from AIIMS can endangered the life of a patient. People from IIT%u2019s , IIM%u2019s are the leaders of the country, these are the people those are going to give direction to India%u2019s growth. How you can compromise on the quality of the people on that levell!!!
Today these institutes have reputation world wide. If newer methods of sub-standarising the system kept on coming than by the year 2020 these institutes will loss its whole glare in world and country will struggle its stand in the world competitive markets.
India is booming & country is in dire need of quality people those can put force in the growth of the country. Today country needs people who can render quality services. If country does not value the quality people, then these will not stay in the country. And brain drain is going like anything.
Statement from our politicians like Arjun singh, V P Singh and M Karunanidhi in the favor of reservation are strongly condemned. In the wake of notification passed by Supreme court, Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu MR. M Karunanidhi, said the apex court verdict affects the rights of Parliament and was a setback to the socially and educationally oppressed sections of society. I want to ask them it%u2019s very good that they want to uplift some part of society, but how its justified to uplift the one by suppressing other.
This system is not fair to the non-reserved categories. Reservation is believed by the people those know country only by caste and creeds that exits 300years ago. This will divide the country further on the basis of newer lines & do nothing else. Today country is in need of more rational approach instead of following policies those segregate the country.
I am saying that these people don%u2019t need up-liftment. But up-liftment can be given by the ways of stipends, free education and better facilities. Giving raises by reserving seats is not a rationale thinking and acceptable. Let the people from OBC%u2019s prove there caliber to have this kind of premier education.
Reservation rules will not do anything good for the country. Instead it will start a horde for the people to become backward. In today%u2019s era there is dire need for the country to get forward, instead going the other way?
RE:Joke of the Century :
by Tamil on Mar 30, 2007 03:50 PM Permalink
If reservation is given to OBCs, they won't go behind the politicians to pay and get the seats.
Just because to get the job in US, you want the reservation to be abolished.
First, you understand the reservation policy and keep writing your dirty comments.
There is a very smal percentage of marks between the merit seats and reservation seats. It is not the fools who get the seats based on reservation.
RE:Joke of the Century :
by vijay baskar on Mar 30, 2007 03:59 PM Permalink
why the hell u cant score that small percentage of marks and get in dear ? when u can say it as small u shud be able to acheive merit MR TAMIL,,thr wont be a need for reservation ? Mine is a dirty comment is it ? ha ha.. u r one among those reservation who is unable to even stand in the gates of IIM and IIT to sell vada,muruku with ur marks ..thats y trying to peep in with ur caste is it ?
RE:RE:Joke of the Century :
by Red Planet on Mar 30, 2007 04:23 PM Permalink
If it is very small % of marks, then perhaps nobody need reservation. IITs and IIMs carry Indian flag acros the globe, and hence their standards should be diluted just to help few creamy OBC.
I strongly agree for the stay that supreme court has given over the Quota system in IIM's and IIT's .
Why should quotes be there in educational system and in govt . org. Why do not the people thing that its talent which is going to help india to improve . If 27 % quota is brought in it would be blunder . An FC who score 99 percentile will not get a seat in IIM , but an SC who scores 70 will be in IIM . I still do not know what they are going to do educating a student who does not have the talent .
I think not many of the young talents are not interest to take up govt .job becaseus of reservartion ands politics in it and its going to be hot core if its brought into educational system also . hope politicians will be the next britishes who adopt divide and rule policy and make people a dancing doll .
Give free education to all students till 10th and cost minimum for their junior education . Thats what the govt can do . and after that its upto the talent of the student who should clear the exams that the elite educational institutions have . No need of any Quota in any part of india . remove everything based on Quota
RE:Why Quotas
by m on Mar 31, 2007 11:58 AM Permalink
If upper caste people who are less than 10% in India do not like reservations or to live with rest of the Indians, we are offering a separate state/nation to them.
TN MPs don't want to discuss the Cauvery verdict in parliament say it has be given by SC and asking Karnataka to respect the SC. What are They doing now? May be now country is realizing why Karnataka lost it's part of water to TN.
RE:TN MPs
by veerapandian on Mar 30, 2007 03:33 PM Permalink
You think that the SC verdict on cauvery is because of these MPs? What a joke !! It and other jugements are based on justice.Karnataka alone is not entitiled to cauvery waters.As a lower riparian state TN is eligible for more water according to International Laws.
RE:what happen to a student if he gets 70% and didn't get seat??
by jitendra kumar on Mar 30, 2007 03:06 PM Permalink
Its straight,there are many options
1. he can start one new college 2. He can do business and start earning without waiting for further studies, which is waste as he will not get job at any cost. 3. He can run away from this country and do business their and can be one of richest person there 4. He can become a gangster, after qualifyable crimes he can be MP 5. or simply die, if no such above mentioned staits
RE:what happen to a student if he gets 70% and didn't get seat??
by always_right on Mar 30, 2007 03:22 PM Permalink
Why OBCs are not trying these options? Or do they need help here also? oh god they should be given reservation as handicap, they are so used to cruches.
RE:what happen to a student if he gets 70% and didn't get seat??
by m on Mar 31, 2007 11:59 AM Permalink
If upper caste people who are less than 10% in India do not like reservations or to live with rest of the Indians, we are offering a separate state/nation to them.
Brahmins never ruled India. You read history of India . There was not a signle brahmin emperor. India was ruled by OBCs, Muslims and British.
Who created caste system? Brahmin never created it. Manu ( an OBC king) created it. All powers were given to OBC kings by the caste system. Brahmins were sujected to slavery and subjugation by OBC kings. Brahmin were not allowed to particcipate in economy. Even Sudras were allowed to earn money because they were free to work as labours. Brahmins were fornced to live in temples and their life was totally dependent on donations and begging. Caste system created by OBCs wanted brahmins to beg and millions of brahmins were starved to death. There were no hardships were enforced on any other caste but brahmins. Brahmins were not allowed to eat food of their choice. They were forced to observe fast and developed malnutrition. Brahmins were not allowed to keep money. They were forced to live like beggers.
You read the books written by SC/STs. Ramayan was written by Valmik (SC/ST) and Mahabharat was written by Vyas (SC/ST). Ran, Krishan and Vishnu belong to OBC caste and Shiva belong to Sudra caste. Brahma is the only Brahmin God.
There are millions of temples of OBS and Sudra gods but there is only one temple for brahmin god in this world. This itself shows kind of subjugation brahmins have been subjected to.
What happened in Ramayan. An OBC king (Ram) killed a brahmin (Ravan). They called brahmins by a derogatory name called Asuras and killed brahmins.
Whole history of india is filled with unprecendented crimes against brahmins.
Now it is right time brahmin should demand 15% reservation.
RE:What about Brahmins?
by hemant sahoo on Mar 30, 2007 02:37 PM Permalink
when each and every auspicious function brahmins are being called to perform the so called pujas/homams then how come u can say that brahmins have been humilited from the yore?
RE:What about Brahmins?
by chaitanya kumar on Mar 30, 2007 02:42 PM Permalink
well, these days it's difficult to find people who do that job(pujas/homams). Eeverybody want to sit a posh office and dance in bars. That seems to be the fashion of the day. There is no pride in doing that job while Hindu customs are being laughed at and Brahmin is mocked for doing that job in many places and demonically caricatured in cultural expressions like media. But many Brahmins still stick to that profession because of traditional reasons until there are further replacements(like how tribals and others are being skilled to do that job in recent years to bring egalitarianism in Hindu traditions).
RE:What about Brahmins?
by always_right on Mar 30, 2007 02:11 PM Permalink
wow, cool man!! Never thought of it!! however I don't think your facts about Ram is right. He was a kchatriya and they dont belong to OBC?
RE:What about Brahmins?
by chaitanya kumar on Mar 30, 2007 02:13 PM Permalink
yeah i know. But some see that too("kshatriya") as OBC in some states to claim reservations.And there are many voices which try to hedge rest of Hindus against Brahmins.
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by chaitanya kumar on Mar 30, 2007 02:16 PM Permalink
and ravana was not entirely a Brahmin. His mother was asura and father was a sage and a Brahmin. In any case, Indian society is mainly patriarchial and Ravana was well-versed in Vedas and other rituals that wezEre necessarily reserved for Brahmins in ancient times.
RE:What about Brahmins?
by Amit Arora on Mar 30, 2007 02:27 PM Permalink
This is for everyone.............cant we think as an Indian. We all are suffering the dirty game played by the politician. I request all people not to fall under their game plan. Just be unite and think for India. Dont think like brahmin, obc, sc st. Plzzzzzzz
RE:What about Brahmins?
by always_right on Mar 30, 2007 02:29 PM Permalink
Do you have a magic potion to fix all problems? face the issues you have, there is no magic that can fix overnight, you must discuss the problems, don't try to run away. I guess you don't live in this country and you have a plan to settle abroad, in that case its easier to give funda.
RE:What about Brahmins?
by chaitanya kumar on Mar 30, 2007 02:32 PM Permalink
that was the intention of the post. Stop taking pride in being a backward guy to claim reservations. If it applies to majority and the ones who take in pride of calling themselves OBC, then it applies to everybody and the rest will claim it too, and the nation will be shattered.
RE:What about Brahmins?
by m on Mar 31, 2007 12:01 PM Permalink
If upper caste people who are less than 10% in India do not like reservations or to live with rest of the Indians, we are offering a separate state/nation to them.
RE:What about Brahmins?
by west on Apr 01, 2007 03:23 AM Permalink
Mr M - looks like you don't have an argument to defend yourself - so, you keep on posting the same post all the time.
RE:What about Brahmins?
by veerapandian on Mar 30, 2007 03:05 PM Permalink
I do not support reservation for OBCs but, I have to put the caste system in right perspective.There is no denying the fact that the caste system was created by the bramins.There are number of evidences for that and the fact that all the scriptures(holy?)uniformly accorded the highest status to them is one of them.Who could have framed rules that killing a bramin is a sinful activity whereas the same thing is not applicable to shudras.Who says killing a cow is sinful whereas shura's tongue should be cut and boiling lead should be poured into the ears for reading and hearing Vedas? You should first know that all these supposed to be Holy materials like Mahabharata, Ramayana etc. were written during different period and by different people.These were finally codified only during Gupta period. Don't be under illusion that these voluminous novels were written during some fanciful 2000 years BC etc. Again, there are examples of Brahamin Kings in the country like the Pusyamithra who came after Nandas.Anyway, what is the need to become king when you were the superkings? Except for some noble Kings like Asoka,others were indulging in all things except the welfare of the people.Manmoan may be our PM but, we all know that Sonia is the real power. The same applied to Bramins and the Kings. One needed protection from masses and the other needed divine sanction so that he can rule . Tamilnadu probably has the most inscriptions in the country but if you read them it is all rubbish. 99% of them narrates how these kings(jokers) donated villages after villages to Brahmins. I read that the Sethu shipping canal is being objected by BJP and some sadhus in North India in the name of Ram's bridge.Today's news is that 5 indian fishermen were killed by sriLanka navy.But these sadhus do not even blink their eyes for these things, but talk about Ram bridge,Ravan and such useless things. I write this only to answer some points and anyway, you know that in TN everyone is OBC . As for the Bandhs and resoulutions in this regard, we also need some comedy.
RE:What about Brahmins?
by chaitanya kumar on Mar 30, 2007 03:17 PM Permalink
there might have been mistakes made in the past, but the grievances of past should not be used to break the fabric of the culture which will allow predators to invade and change the nature of the society and divide the nation. Everyone had some role to play in this discrimination, and Brahmins must not be entirely blamed for it though they made their significant contributions, others vetoed it it too. If you want to blame Brahmins and few others entirely for it, it only means that some got away for thousands of years and you were sitting like an ostrich while all this was happening. And now people have a voice relative to ancient times to bring their grievances to the table due to the democratic setup of the nation and it should not be misused to create ripple. Reforms should be done and not divisions. Of course, there should be a opposition voice for comprehensive reforms and that should be the way, which should be encouraged. I actually like this dalit movement, but it gets messy when some use it to convert people and change the nature of society and weaken the voices that vouch for traditions that have something good to offer to humanity other than untouchability and dowry practices etc. There was caste-system in all societies of the world though they followed in different ways.
