As a hindu I am questioning the power of authority of Sangh parivar to talk on behalf of hindus.Sangh Parivar cann't decide the fate of hindu comunity.as a hindu we oppose any type of fanatism/jingoism in the name of hindu.first as hindu we have to make introspection about ourself.first we have to fight against discrimination system within the hindu society.first we have to fight for dalits and other downtridden casts of hindu society.if a dalit cann't live with respect at anywhere in india we should ashame as hidu.even in cities the fellow hindus will not rent their house for a dalit! in the villages fellow hindu will not allow dalit to drink the water!living in the same colony of other hindu cast people will end up in the murder! where is the question of unity?and what for? and why should dalits and other downtridden casts continue to stay in hindu comunity??????
RE:Sangh Parivar cann't be the spokes person of hindu
by srivatsa yb on Mar 31, 2007 05:23 PM Permalink
well said man...i am supporting too...i dont know who made them our spokespersons
Creating Hindu political consciousness By Dr Gautam Sen (The author taught at the London School of Economics & Political Science for over two decades) The very idea of a Hindu political community embedded in the idea of Hindutva is no more than an aspiration, a mere abstraction not an established political fact. This intellectual and political conundrum is the pivotal explanation for the elusiveness of Hindu political consciousness. The reaction to the failure to awaken a genuine Hindu political consciousness across the length and breadth of India provokes lament at the fragmentation of Hindu society. It also prompts a measure of Hindu activist frustration and contempt towards their own community for its apparent insouciance regarding its own political fate.
India%u2019s English media is basically foreign-owned though the structure of ownership is complex. Individual journalists are on the payroll of foreign governments, church organisations and Middle Eastern potentates. Loans undeclared on the balance sheet also totally compromise major media outlets. This particular strategy of conquest is best understood in terms of the behaviour of international corporations, their tactics of market entry or denial, mergers and acquisitions, etc. The tentacles of foreign occupation, not unusual in what remains a neo-colonial era of world history, are coursing terrifyingly through the vital organs of the Indian state.
Despite more than a century of endeavours a national Hindu political consciousness has failed to take substantial root. In this context, the virtually single-handed success of L. K. Advani during the decade of the 1990s to contrive a Hindu political consciousness, however limited, must be judged a remarkable phenomenon. Many Hindus were fed up with the mendacious anti-Hindu politics of secular India and sought a political leadership that would articulate it. The Ayodhya movement also prompted an unprecedented political sensibility among huge numbers of Hindus, awakening a memory of their historical past, as never before in a thousand years and more. Such was the meaning and scale of what the Sangh Parivar and L. K. Advani achieved.
The ultimate failure of the NDA to capitalise on this Hindu desire for change and self-affirmation was a stunning setback though the reasons for it are complex. The inability of the very leaders, who catalysed contemporary Hindu self-awareness to consolidate it is a testament to the grievous nature of the failure. Various reasons have been put forward to explain the dismal outcome, some of them are the constraints of coalition politics and the desire of the Hindu political leadership for approval from India%u2019s implacably hostile elites and establishment, by diluting Hindu aspirations. Yet underlying these factors is a much deeper unrecognised factor that has always bedevilled the search for Hindu political consciousness in India.
The notion of Hindutva itself, which has come to encapsulate the political aspirations of Hindus, represents an intractable problem. The very idea of a Hindu political community embedded in the idea of Hindutva is no more than an aspiration, a mere abstraction not an established political fact. This intellectual and political conundrum is the pivotal explanation for the elusiveness of Hindu political consciousness. The reaction to the failure to awaken a genuine Hindu political consciousness across the length and breadth of India provokes lament at the fragmentation of Hindu society. It also prompts a measure of Hindu activist frustration and contempt towards their own community for its apparent insouciance regarding its own political fate.
Yet in the apparent division and political fragmentation of Hindus lies the critical defining feature of Hindu society, of which, paradoxically, Hindus, including the very same activists, are justly proud. Hindus are politically fragmented because they have not been regimented into an aggressive imperialism that characterises its two Semitic adversaries. It is because they are a truly pluralist people of faith, preoccupied with an essentially private religious quest for self-improvement rather than increased numbers through warfare and conversion. In a sense the private character of their faith, the very feature that makes them distinctive, is the counterpart of the absence of a grand political unity stretching across time and space. At the same time, this pluralist Hindu reality makes them vulnerable to predatory Islam and Christianity, both primarily defined by their raison d%u2019être of extirpating competing faiths. What the latter offer as an alternative has been unremarkable since their history of bloodlust is not even denied by their own adherents.
It is therefore a necessity for the survival of Hindus to unite politically as many rightly argue. However, the first reality that requires recognition is that both Christian and Islamic inward political cohesion was substantially the product of imperialist expansion. Though Christians clung together defensively during persecution by the Roman Empire they quickly assumed their historic essential identity through warfare, stamping out rivals and seeking to establish Christianity as the only true faith. In the case of Islam, the very founding of the faith was accompanied by warfare that has continued unabated ever since. This is not to say that Christianity and Islam do not cohere defensively when assailed. However, it is merely a tactic of adversity while their immanent strategy is expansion through warfare and other covert means, as appropriate to the circumstances.
The history of successful self-defence therefore seems to be inextricably associated with a military strategy of offensive engagement. Hindus have not historically undertaken this path and attempts to unite Hindus politically still falter. A kind of nationalism has taken root in India and more urbanisation, virtually synonymous with modernity, will only intensify this patriotism. But such patriotism can exist without religious conviction or indeed adherence to a different faith altogether. India could become mostly Christian in the way South Korea has during the last century, which is what the US government and US churches intend for India. And this process is advancing rapidly in Nepal with the effective abolition of the Hindu monarchy and US insistence on the elimination of any reference to Hinduism in the new Constitution. Hindus need to respond to this advance of Christian imperialism, targeting them for acquisition.
One must first recognise that India is already a country under foreign occupation. There are no troops looting, pillaging and engaged in rapine as the Anglo-American marauders are doing in Iraq. Nor have they set up scores of FBI offices, the self-willed fate of Pakistan thanks to its pukka military officer class. But India%u2019s English media is basically foreign owned though the structure of ownership is complex. Individual journalists are on the payroll of foreign governments, church organisations and Middle Eastern potentates. Loans undeclared on the balance sheet also totally compromise major media outlets. This particular strategy of conquest is best understood in terms of the behaviour of international corporations, their tactics of market entry or denial, mergers and acquisitions, etc. The tentacles of foreign occupation, not unusual in what remains a neo-colonial era of world history, are coursing terrifyingly through the vital organs of the Indian state.
Hindus can organise against this dismal unfolding fate. But reflexive slogans on national Hindu unity that mislead and divert strategy must first be shelved. In its place, one needs to organise Hindus politically around their regional state and meaningful local loyalties. These concern the specific forms of worship, social identity and their allied history that remain unique to the particular locus in question. A myriad of decentralised Hindu organisations across the length and breadth of India have to be mobilised in keeping with their uniqueness and local specificity. And instead of slogans about an all-embracing national Hindu movement a central leadership will only have the role of co-ordinating such local political movements in all their diversity and richness. This will be the form of the resistance against Christian and Islamic imperialism that takes full cognisance of the actual lives Hindus lead and will therefore resonate more easily with them. By contrast, an abstraction like Hindutva is a goal rather than an existing national process and reality.
RE:Creating Hindu political consciousness by Dr. Gautam Sen ((The author taught at the London School of Economics & Political Science for over two decades)
by venkat on Mar 30, 2007 05:35 AM Permalink
Good one. I endorse it. Otherwise Hindus will end up like the suffering Hindus in Kashmir, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
RE:Creating Hindu political consciousness by Dr. Gautam Sen ((The author taught at the London School of Economics & Political Science for over two decades)
by Rajan George on Mar 30, 2007 12:15 PM Permalink
It is clear that the author taught in London School of economics for more than two decades. May I know the reason for spending more than two decades in London School of economic instead of spending his time in some Hindu Universities in India.
I also would like to know the name of School/College/University from where he has completed his education.
RE:Creating Hindu political consciousness by Dr. Gautam Sen ((The author taught at the London School of Economics & Political Science for over two decades)
by kitttigadu on Mar 31, 2007 12:00 PM Permalink
horhe (george aka jorge)
RE:Creating Hindu political consciousness by Dr. Gautam Sen ((The author taught at the London School of Economics & Political Science for over two decades)
by B BHAT on Mar 31, 2007 01:46 PM Permalink
As a hindu I am asking to Dr.Gautam Sen who has given you the spokesperson post of hindu comunity?Sangh parivar cann't decide the fate of hindu comunity.as a hindu we oppose any type of fanatism/jingoism in the name of hindu.first as hindu we have to make introspection about ourself.first we have to fight against discrimination system within the hindu society.first we have to fight for dalits and other downtridden casts of hindu society.if a dalit cann't live with respect at anywhere in india we should ashame as hidu.even in cities the fellow hindus will not rent their house for a dalit! where is the question of unity? and what for?
RE:Creating Hindu political consciousness by Dr. Gautam Sen ((The author taught at the London School of Economics & Political Science for over two decades)
by Akash mrr on Mar 30, 2007 10:40 PM Permalink
You the People only thinkls that Hindutwa will save insia , You are living like coccoones!!!you dontKnow the World You are like Frog in the Well ..If you want India to be Great Nation you have to admire all peoples what ever casts ,,Creed or race other wise you are no more than like bloody people who ruled in Germany (Hitler, ) or in south africa etc... Yo
If upper caste people who are less than 10% in India do not like reservations or to live with rest of the Indians, we are offering a separate state/nation to them.
RE:Generous Offer
by Serial Tourist on Mar 30, 2007 02:08 AM Permalink
Abe m Katua: Bhaag ja Arabia or vatican, depending on which species of brown convert you are.
RE:RE:Generous Offer
by Akash mrr on Mar 30, 2007 02:49 AM Permalink
Who the Hell are you >IS it you Produced OUR Mother Country. You are Still Live in Jungle or you can play with Serpants
RE:Generous Offer
by later gupta on Mar 30, 2007 07:07 AM Permalink
Reservation is not the solution ! Does a prudent man suggest 'to provide a wheel chair' to a person who broke both legs WITHOUT A TREATMENT? OR 'to provide a wheel chair'for some time AND THE TREATMENT and then take away the wheel chair seeing his TOTAL RECOVERY? GOVERNMENTS FAILED TO PROVIDE THE CURE AND NOW WANT TO SHOW LIP SYMPATHY WITH POLLS IN VIEW. LIKE A QUACK DOCTOR THIS PRINCIPLE OF THE GOVERNMENT IS DETRIMENTAL TO REAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE REAL BACKWARDS! Leftist Government in West Bengal IGNORED education through Enlish language for decades! Those students who suffered on that account are oppressed lots or not? Will the resvation theory CONSIDER them for Quota too? There are thousands of oppressions in INDEPENDENT INDIA DUE TO LACK OF VISIONS BY POLITICAL RULERS WHO A INDIANS RULED MERRILY! BUT HOW MANY OF THOSE HAD CLEAR VISIONS AS TO WHAT IS REAL GOOD AND WHAT IS AN ILLUSIONARY GOOD? SO LETS NOT GO FOR A PATCHY SOLUTION! REAL GOOD LIES IN 1)Identify who are to be really helped economically/socially/or otherwise 2)Select them through a Nationally uniform process 3)Provide means for their opportunity to RAISE THE CALIBRE (if necessary by repeated subjections through the improvement system) 4)Now, NO QUOTA IS REQUIRED!!! A Did the Goverment do this way? B Can the Government do this way now? I am opposed to Quota system which IS LIKE A POT HOLE ON THE ROAD. THE MORE IT IS THERE THE MORE HAZARDOUS IS THE ROAD JOURNEY!
"Hindu-Muslim problem will be solved in a day when Hindus united" - thus spoke pre-eminent Indian novelist Sarat Chandra Chatterjee.
Petty political votebank has fragmented Hindus and that's the reason India though world's 3rd largest economy (PPP) is unable to solve Kashmir or NE problem.
We are now hearing demands for religion based reservation, budget.
We are in a situation when even attacker of Indian Parliament's hanging is postponed.
We are in a situation, when our National Song is discredited.
The Hindu unity is happening, but slowly. It needs to be strengthened further and in a fast manner.
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by Akash mrr on Mar 30, 2007 02:56 AM Permalink
You are Coming from Jungle Do you think India Can Survive Without the help of these Nations . Think of Hare ramkrishna society etc . doing in USA, urope etc .SoBefore Writting rubbish think about the world situation
There is growing disquiet amongst Hindus, and society is radicalising. In the name of "secularism" all pro-Jihadi, Missionary activities are being pursued.
Make no mistake, AS THE SOCIETY RADICALISES, IT CREATES PERMANENT DIVISION IN THE SOCIETY WHICH NO POLITICAL PARTY, PROCESS CAN HEAL.
Just look at Gujarat. Congress Party at Gujarat is as much Hindu as BJP IN WEST BENGAL.
THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MAHARASHTRA CONGRESS AND BJP/SHIV SENA AS FAR AS SAVARKAR GOES.
OR EVEN AS FAR AS BANKIM CHATTERJEE GOES, THERE IS NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CPIM AT WEST BENGAL AND BJP AT KERALA.
RE:BJP's hindu equation
by hiral joshi on Mar 29, 2007 08:57 PM Permalink
By that equation BJP should not get even 1 seat, what do you say? I think many are blinded by castist politics in UP but not all and BJP has the brightest chance to win this time.
With a cocktail of pseudo secular parties doing everything to break the Hindus (caste equations, class...anything that works), I dont know how BJP will bring the Hindus together.
The broken Hindu unity and the vulture like Muslim-Christian vote bank will be enough to keep BJP out.
In the meantime enjoy this online exhibit on Kashmir http://www.factusa.org/totalexhibit/exhibition.asp
RE:atleast hindus should unite now
by Serial Tourist on Mar 30, 2007 02:12 AM Permalink
People who say our god is true, your god is false are worse than terrorists.
also, the two desrt cults also have dalits -- the entire humanity (infidels and pagans). Poor dalits of desert cults get only one option -- convert, give us your women or die. At least Hindus give thier dalits reservations. What do Muslism or Christian countries give to their dalits (infidels and pagans)?
