Mr.T V R Shenoy what is the issue in the article?If nothing special, nothing new don't waste the time. is these are the scattered points? 1.Some verbal servings to one's on deares,that is to the fasict right wing.Whatever the white washes black marks there to stay life long.Gujrat,Bombay,Riots.......... 2.Put some Flvours of Communalism and drag poor Sachaar's(Muslims)to the issues. 3.Let Govts away all social and humanitarian sectors as advocated by pure Capitalist.And let the Multinationals or Desi who have lot of money maid by cheating the Govt and law,sqeeuze the last drop of blood from the peasants and drive them out for SEZ.Truly No protection. 4.Capital communists the Leaders of CPI-M should find some time to read last party congress written policy on SEZ.The way of practicl communism,walk all the way back. shibu
The Govt the judiciary should work out a formula taking into consideration 1) the current earning capacity as well as future earning capacity 2) He should be provided with regular income from such a compensation. 3)The cost of training atleast one person from one household should be borne by the company and education and other cost of childrens if any should be borne by Govt (The govt should be held responsible if any dispute arise it should be in favour of landowners The Purchase of land should be transparent and no third party mafia should be involved
If i ask TATA's to sell Bombay house to lay new road I know how much they resist because they have pride in that place. similarly landowner have pride in their land and so should be compenstated more than adequate
We should know how peacefully re-habilate 1.35 million people & build industry!!! I am not meaning anything, we should take care of the displaced people very well. For that the people Mamta, Medha should co-operate. But they don't if they co-operate, how they get their names!!!
Mr.Shenoy, I find almost no issues with your wonderful article.. But, you seem to agree that SEZs and industrial/BPO complexes are more profitable compared to agriculture and hence agricultural land can be used for this economic progress. If the whole country thinks so, very soon we have to buy food from USA and Canada, beg for grains from Russia like in the good old days. Do we want that? As such, Indian agriculture is in bad shape with all the urbanization and farmers selling lands around towns for new development.
RE:SEZs vs agriculture
by Neo on Mar 28, 2007 09:52 PM Permalink
If we can industrialise to an extent that competes chinese scale, then buying food from outside would not mean much! China imports raw materials from everywhere and exports finished goods...Value addition is the name of the game...
RE:SEZs vs agriculture
by blue wrox on Mar 28, 2007 11:04 PM Permalink
First of all a few SEZ's is not going to affect our food production.But unwanted and unplanned real estate development would.They should regulate that to ensure sustained food production.SEZ would act as a point or trigger for exports like china.It requires land but its not going to be so huge that its going to eat up farmland.
RE:SEZs vs agriculture
by Capitalist on Mar 28, 2007 10:04 PM Permalink
The Government should not interfere in the free market Capitalism.This issue is between Landowners and land developers.Let them decide profit and loss.
RE:SEZs vs agriculture
by Sridhar Raman on Mar 28, 2007 11:17 PM Permalink
Baring few industrialist rest will employ DADA's and Mafia like Dawood and force the landowners to sell. This is what is happening in Big cities We dont want that to happen in rural areas
RE:SEZs vs agriculture
by Capitalist on Mar 29, 2007 12:32 AM Permalink
THEN IT IS LAW AND ORDER SITUATION THAT IS MESSED UP.WE HAVE TO INITIATE GOONDA AND GOVERNMENT FREE LAND DEALS BETWEEN LAND-OWNERS AND LAND DEVELOPERS.READ THE FOLLOWING LINK BELOW,YOU WILL GET SOME IDEA OF HOE FREE MARKET CAPITALISM WORKS. http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-01-10-trailerpark_x.htm?csp=34
RE:SEZs vs agriculture
by Kabadan Y on Mar 29, 2007 11:47 AM Permalink
good article and makes a lot of sense to implement here. This will decide most issues free of violence.
Let the arc lights be focused on the judiciary also.Although judicial activism is welcomed but lately the judiciary has started taking advantage of the situation and has started apropriating powers to itself.Nandigram is an example.
On the contrary, events took place in Nandigram are UNPRECENDENTED.
When CITU workrs were lathi-charged in Noida few months back, DID CONGRESS, BJP OR LOCAL PARTY LEADERS SEND ACTIVISTS ALONG WITH POLICE TO BEAT UP CITU WORKERS?
THIS HAPPENS ONLY IN WEST BENGAL - WHERE THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN PARTY CADRES, POLICE HAVE CEASED.
PARTY AND ADMINISTRATION AND CADRES ARE INTERCHANGABLE.
RE:The judiciary should be fair
by later gupta on Mar 28, 2007 10:54 PM Permalink
IN COMMUNIST CONTROLLED DEMOCRACY, PARTY IS ON TOP,SUPPORTED BY POLICE AND PARYY WORKERS BOTH ENJOYING SAME PEIVILEDGE OF CONTROLLING ANTI PEOPLE AND IN WB IN NANDIGRAM , THEY WENT ONE STEP FURTHER BY GIVING PARTYMEN POLICE UNIFORMS! A UNIQUE DEMONSTRATION OF LAWLESS DEMOCRACY! TODAY, WE FIND THE UNWRITTEN DEFINITION OF DEMOCRACY AS "GOVERNTMENT OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PARTYMEN AND FOR THE COMMUNIST RULERS".THE NEXT PUBLICATION OF POLITICAL SCIENCE BOOKS WILL FIND IT PRINTED FOR STUDY BY STUDENTS. WHAT A DEMOCRACY!
While I do agree with you entirely that SEZ's are here to stay and Govt. should let the private sector do its own land acquistion.
What your article has missed out is that what happened is Nandigram is a repeat of the Jallianwalla Bagh Massacare in Punjab by the British in 1911.
One wonders why no party or police force is being charged with murder - because that is what happened in Nandigram on 14 March 2007. The Key players being two men - Lakshman Seth (MP) and Arun Gupta (IG).
Strangely - even Court has asked the CBI to STOP investigation. The Governor has been told to keep mum.
So do we conclude that Indian political parties can GRAB land and if you don't agree with them - they will use all the organs of the state and the muscle power of the party to KILL and MURDER the Indian citize.
And no amount of Court or police or centre or Indian constitution or army will come to the defence of the citizen??
Do we conclude that India is ruled by Tyrants worse than the British raj?? Or worse than the dictators of Pakistan and Uganda?? Of course under the guise of Indian "Democracy."
Your article is incomplete by glossing over these facts.
I fear that injustice in Nadnigram or delay in justice in Nadigram. Justice to correct "STATE TERRORISM" in Nandigram - is creating a HUGE gap between the haves and the have nots. Politicians now are increasingly being viewed as "EVIL" rather than as good.
This lack of justice will increase the grounds-well of support for maoism and naxalism. They will now be viewed as boys "delivering justice". Police and politicans are the new EVIL. The courts take too long and are too tied down by process to deliver justice effectively and speedily. This is exactly what happened in Nepal and led to the downfall of the Monarchy.
And this is where the entire India growth story and SEZ story will come to a great and speedy end.
It is a historical irony that the Congress which owes its rise to the Jalianwalla bagh firing refrains justice to the victims of "Jalianwala bagh in Nandigram". Neither Manmohan Singh now Sonia Gandhi has bothered to visit Bengal.
Even the great & pompus President who talks of education and emancipation has not bothered to visit Nandigram.
Even a Supreme court justice or the Governor could have taken an army escort and gone to nandigram on the 14th or even the 15th. They did not. Sitting and twiddling their thumbs under a 'democracy' and 'protectors of the constitution'.
I wonder how future history of India is going be written after Nandigram. Will it be written as a victory of the Communists party who could contain it and conquer India??
Or will Nandigram 2007 be the trigger which gives the maoists a massive support base with the common India. As Nandigram reveals to the common Indian how the politicans had become a land grabbers. How the state had become a terrorist-land grabbing mafia.
And as there was no justice in India. So the common man began supporting the maoists against the entrenched politican-bureaucratic-justice system.
It was in 2004 when I was traveling in a bus in New Delhi, I overheard a few passengers talking derisively about the political class and their corrupt ways. Post Nandigram - this perception will increase.
Does the future hold SEZ's or maoism??
Is India a democracy with an established justice suystem or are we a sham democracy with an ineffective system of justice, where police and politicians get away with murder.
Maoists are used by political class in India to retain/grab power.
CPIM invited maoists to Medinipore district few years back, when they were loosing space to TMC/Congress/BJP in certain pockets. However Maoists didn't leave those pockets after those places were liberated.
Congress uses Maoists to retain/grab power in Andhra/parts of Madhya Pradesh/Chattisgarh.
EVEN LALU PRASAD USES MAOISTS TO RETAIN POWER IN BIHAR FOR 15 YEARS! No less than Dipankar Bhattacharya said that in an interview with the Outloook few months back.
RE:Land Grab by State of Jallianwala in Bengal???
by ABC XYZ on Mar 29, 2007 09:11 AM Permalink
Jaiswal Bhai,
Don't be so emotional yaar. Maoists will exist whether or not Laxman Seth or likes are there or not. You are mistaken to think Maoists are a product of negligence. It's like Kashmir militants. They are going to do whatever they want to do that is destabilise India by creating propaganda. I agree State Govt should have handled the situation in a more mature way. But when I see posts which says "Buddha shoudl resign, etc," that's ridiculous. This is the guy who has been trying to hard to convert Unionzied Cadre based hardcore CPM into a sober party with some meaning. He has the best intention to turn Bengal into a better place to live. Even his fiercest critic wouldn't say the guys is corrupt and taking bribe from industrialists. He leads the most simple lifestyle compared to the up class lifestyle lead by his predecessor Basu. SEZ needs to exist to promote rapid industrialization. It holds key to future growth.
RE:Land Grab by State of Jallianwala in Bengal???
by Vivek Jaiswal on Mar 29, 2007 09:40 AM Permalink
No questions SEZ & the economics are here to stay.
What I'm pointing out is that the Govt. is acting like a mafia and creating conditions which will make ordinary people view maoisim as a solution. That is what happened in Nepal. The king grabbed absoloute power with bad deliverty of service. The people began to believe that the Maoists were saviours.
What we need is efficient delivery of services by the Govt. - a la singapore. Having lived overseas I can vouch for the fact that things work there and are much more efficient than in India. Indeed - SEZ's will TRANSFORM India. In fact - if even one State in India makes an entire district (preferably a coastal district with a port) an SEZ; with good law and order and excellent administration - I GUARANTEE you that in 25 years - that district will beat Delhi & Bombay COMBINED. Why?? Beause it will have created conditions for enterprise to flourish.
Instead - we are now ruled by robber barrons in the guise of politicians; who are getting away with murder.
In the 60th Anniversary of India's Independence - we need to reflect if Nandigram and all that is represents is what the freedom struggle from the Raj was all about.
Are we creating the conditions for building a Singapore?? Or are we creating conditions which will end up like Nepal - (with active support from China, Pakistan and Bangaldesh!!)
Do reflect. My fellow country man. You have as much stake in this county as I have.
RE:Land Grab by State of Jallianwala in Bengal???
by ABC XYZ on Mar 29, 2007 11:47 AM Permalink
I have stayed in Singapore previously. The reason they succeeded because of several reasons: a) You cannot compare Sinagpore, size of Kolkata at the most and a big state like West Bengal by sheer size itself. e.g. you can control crimes in much efficient manner in Sinagpore than any upscale city in US. b) Singapore although claims to be a democracy is really ruled by ruling party found by Lee Kuan Yu. It's much easy to implement policies. c) West Bengal has been marred by years of neglect courtesy Jyoti Basus's horrific management style. In some ways he resembles Lalu who was good at winning election but zero at state improvement. He was responsible for the uprise of what you term CPM goondas. Also, we had a horrible opposition TMC, Congress. So, things became worse. d) In comes Buddhadeb who is honest, has a literary side and has sincere interest in doing some good for the state. He is disliked by Party Hardliners like Subhash, Amitava Nandi, Laxman Seth alike. He single handedly reforms a lot within the party and regains industry confidence. Basu and his followers are now in deep trouble, they are cornered. Time and again Buddhadeb has been strongly against Party hardliners. e) Nandigram was a culmination of several factors. It was not as simple as Budhhdadeb asking Police to open fire on the villagers. There were some intelligence failures definitely. Also, was constant provocation from Mamata, and Jamaet E Islam. This being a muslime dominated area, it was easy to play religion card too. CPM supporters were kicked out from village for over two months. Everything collided together causing this horrible situation. It was a PR failure from CPM side to control the situation. f) Govt needs to step cautiously and corner Mamata and her pals systematically. g) I get furious when I see some guys who utters rhetorics Buddha the murderer, he needs to go, etc. These guys have no constructive idea in mind but can only bark like a dog.
RE:Land Grab by State of Jallianwala in Bengal???
by Suresh Babu on Mar 29, 2007 03:59 PM Permalink
One a Ex-M.P.and more than one lakh muslim minorities burnt alive in Gujarat, you, Vivek Jaiswal was not alive in India and now you came from where, whether from India or abroad.
RE:Land Grab by State of Jallianwala in Bengal???
by Vivek Jaiswal on Mar 30, 2007 10:21 PM Permalink
Dear Suresh
Gujrat and Nandigram are two different issues. In Gujrat - it is a backlash against the burning of a trainload of hindus. Just as the 984 riots was aginst the murder of Indira Gandhi. Done by people after a murderous event.
In Nandigram - it is a pre-planned attack on common citizens by the state and a political party to grab their land.
Now, the second question Mr Shenoy raised: whether Buddha is in wrong party.
Here is a piece by noted Journalist Rudranshu Mukherjee, editor of the Telegraph, who was a big supporter of Buddha! But alas, even he was forced to write:
Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee was once a Stalinist. Many of his new-found admirers believe that since he is pro-capital, he is no longer a Stalinist. Actually, there is no contradiction between the mindset of a Stalinist and the wooer of investment. If Stalin were to meet Buddhadeb Bhattacherjee, he would greet him with the cry, mon semblable, mon frère %u2014 my twin, my brother. A Stalinist does not change his mindset, just as a leo- pard in the forest does not change its spots.
Fact is, CPIM always used violence to further its political cause. That was true 5 years, 30 years back. Or even today.
They used to suppress those earlier, but now people are seeing trickling down of information thanks to proliferation of media in India, Indian democracy.
RE:RE:Is Buddha a Stalinist? Yes, most definitely.
by ABC XYZ on Mar 29, 2007 09:05 AM Permalink
Hee Hee Bhaskar Chatu replies to his own messages. No takers I guess. Hee Hee.
What Mr. Shenoy has suggested (State should not grab land for Industry) has been said by many in recent past.
Just few days back (after Nandigram), N Ram, CPIM card holder and editor of the Hindu said the same thing.
VP Singh said the same thing (let private parties buy land directly from farmers) after Singur chaos (but before Nandigram), when he visited Calcutta and met CM when Mamata was fasting
But arrogant, Stalinist CPIM in West Bengal is unable to see this. Most SEZs in India outside WB are being done this way. Or at least major portion (80-90%) are being purchased by parivate parties.
RE:What Mr. Shenoy is saying has been said by many, notably by N Ram, VP Singh - both politically very close to CPIM
by ABC XYZ on Mar 29, 2007 10:09 PM Permalink
Abey Oi Maoist,
You mention VP Singh. He is the biggest looser of all time. What does that Mandal licker know abything about modernization?
WB govt should acquire all the property and land belonging to the CPM cadre in kolkatta including Budhhadeb, CPM Politboru etc. Once the land is acquired the WB govt can build IT parks, Biotech parks, Export processing zones. The premises can be leased out at the rate of Rs 25 per sq feet . In the first five years it generates Rs 1500 per sq feet, which can take care of the construction cost of Rs 600 , land cost of Rs 300 and intrest and operational cost of Rs 600 . Subsequently the lease rentals can be reduced to Rs 15 Sq feet . Today BPO IT cos in india are facing acute shortage of quality space at low rentals in the metros . Lease rentals are in the range of Rs 100 - Rs 400 in Mumbai Banglore etc . At Rs 25 there could be large number of companies setting up operations in Kolkatta. Each 10000 sq feet developed will generate 200 jobs. Please take these proposal seriously . In fact Buddhadeb and the entire CPM Politoru should voluntarily get thier land acquired the advantages One it will send a very positive message to the citizens, Second it will silence all his critics mamta included, third it will generate lakhs of jobs.
