RE:That Night in Nandigram
by Gopal on Mar 19, 2007 04:03 AM Permalink
west bengal people should try to vote other Party, sticking to one party for 30 years makes party Very strong and vulgur to people. The biggest proof is what is happening in Nandigram.
RE:RE:That Night in Nandigram
by Suresh Babu on Mar 19, 2007 11:48 AM Permalink
You may please take care of your state & advising to W.B. seems not good. The Begalis are most intelligent in this nationa - so keep mum.
RE:That Night in Nandigram
by abby Das on Mar 27, 2007 11:30 AM Permalink
Suresh Babu It seems you have picked up the perfect technique of supressing someone from giving his opinion from this fascist leftisit Govt.They stop the voice whenever it is not in favour of them.But this will not happen now.
When CBI is filling charge sheet against Budd...Bhattac, Binoy Kongar (Hangor) and Lakshman Seth, we are waiting eagerly. Buddha must be arrested now. He claimed the responsibility of the barbaric act in Nandigram.
I doubt Madam (Sonia) will do it, she is ready to save "REDs" and their "red (blood) shed".
When CBI is charge filling charge sheet against Budd...Bhattac, Binoy Kongar (Hangor) and Lakshman Seth, we are waiting. Buddha must be attested now. He claimed the responsibility of the barbaric act in Nandigram.
Before this incident, Buddhadeb was our hero. We were dreaming about new west Bengal, with full of good industries, as like Gujrat, Maharastra. In WB most of the lands are fertile and it is difficult to get large amount of infertile land together at a single place. We have to sacrifice only 1-2% of agricultural land for industry. I belong to a farmer family and my home is in a village. We have 20 bighas of land, and I know that by depending only on agriculture one cannot lead life in a decent way. Very little profit comes from land. Therefore, it would be better if someone from the farmer family get job in industry. Same thing happens in Gujrat and Maharastra. All the developed nations are built on Industry. Therefore, for Industry we need to acquire land. Now here is a point to discuss, if we take land from farmers, what they will do? Not all of the farmers can get job in industry. Some young and educated villagers can get job. Even if they get job, it will take 3-4yrs to start such industry. By that time what will they do? In my opinion, Government/Industry should ensure their future by providing double of the land price in addition of monthly help, which can be Rs. 500/per bigha/per month until the farmers get job in that industry. I think then these farmers will be happy and their future will be secured. What happened in Nandigram that is really shameful. The govet did not have any prior information about the provocation by Trinomul and Naxals. If a group of mob attacks police with bombs and bullets then police should have right to fire. Few days%u2019 back one police officer was beaten and killed by agitated mob. You have to remember that for the last 2-3 months there was no rule/law in Nandigram and some of the villagers were homeless because of trinomul, and naxalas attack. Therefore, in this situation there was no option other than sending police. After all incidents, if we through CPIM and Buddhadeb out and bring Trinomul and Naxal with Mamata as CM, then do you think they will do good for WB? I do not think they have such capabilities. All the Trinomul leaders change the color of their feather according to the weather. BJP / Congress could be another option, but they do not have any power in WB. BJP (without mandiur issue) is a very good party for running govt. In their time in centre, they began globalization and open market concept. Now all people are following this. So, in this situation we have to support Buddhadeb and plz don%u2019t be provoked by trinomul and naxals, as they don%u2019t want any development in WB.
RE:the real issue
by Saptarshi Duari on Mar 18, 2007 11:24 PM Permalink
So you are sure that the concerned company will absorb all of the farmers who gave their land?? Forget & get ready to work as a "slave" under some contracter!! Mostly these greedy companies will bring work force from ouside, who will stay as permanent workers of the company! Rest from here will be absorbed in casual basis under some agencies! For the past few years we , living in an industrial city have seen & experienced, what the much hyped "industrialisation" is all about. The concerned "permanent staffs" will be paid as much as Rs30000/- will those under the agencies a mere Rs3000/-.And did you see what the CBI got from the CPIM supporters? SEE today's ANANDABAZAR! You cannot support the "killers" for the sake of TATAS!!!!
RE:the real issue
by hiral joshi on Mar 19, 2007 02:55 AM Permalink
Dear friend dont put aside the facts of presence of CPI/M cadre during the incident and they did firing too. Just to blame it on Naxals or Trinamool is hypocrisy. BJP is very good party atleast they are not hypcrites. See in any BJP ruled state never any opposition party worker harrassed or killed. They dont do politics of Vendetta. They have hardcore elements and they are extreme on many issues but for national interest that vigour is required. BJP is ruling in Gujarat since 1996 and state has seen good progress. WB people has to think outside the box. CPI has ditched sickle by killing farmers now turn will come of ditching hammer (the workers-labours)
RE:the real issue
by M Costa on Mar 18, 2007 10:07 PM Permalink
A budding cannot thrive on agriculture alone,it needs modern projects,and consequent land acquisitions,where else,the poor farmers are always the targets,because most of them are illiterate,and easily manipulated by the Govt. What happened in Nandigram was revolution,just like in the days of the Raj. In a democracy Govt has no bussiness to impose decisions with the barrel of a gun.
All voices heard here of those who belong to the industrialist and capitalist thought, If TATA do not manufacture the car someone else somewhere will for sure do, but if a poor lost his land for sure none of you going to provide him and his children food, You all sitting here are those who never been in the village nor have seen the poverty and their evils, where the mother compelled to sale her body to provide one time food to her kids, Or fathers commit suicide after fighting a lost battle with the Mahajan or with banks, Prosper India is only found in the metros what happens in the rural and the rest of India is no government bother to evaluate, These illiterate villagers only needs false promises to cast their vote, and political parties know how to win them providing false dreams, If any of SEZ to develop then why not let the industries buy the Land from the farmers directly with proper negotiations so they get the actual market value, Govt interest is in the development of common peoples or in the shareholder of industries,
RE:No one for the Farmers,
by maharaj on Mar 18, 2007 07:56 PM Permalink
you are absolutely right. these industrialists support liberalisation, free trade and reduction of subsidies but whenever they have to set up a project, they start pressurising state govts. to get land on subsidised rates. In a liberal society the industrialists should offer attractive prices to the farmers for land acquisition instead of asking for subsidised land. shed this hypocrisy
RE:RE:No one for the Farmers,
by Uttamkumar on Mar 18, 2007 09:55 PM Permalink
Is Anybody make a website and get strong opinion of SEZ plan as follows.
In a very huge populous country like India to make a SEZ at least 7-8 villages or more are needed. Each village is highly populated. So it is highly difficult to rehabilitate all people with proper cost of homes, fertile lands etc. So it will be good idea to develop an unpopulated or less populated and less fertile place like Purulia district (WB) for SEZ. At least two purpose will served by this process. (1) undeveloped place will be developed. People there will get a newer life and heal up old days. (2) people of the region will be easy to rehabilitate with proper cost and they will not have to face (slave servant) forcefully by the state Govt.
Then I think it will be better to send that campaign to the Central Govt for consideration.
Soumitra Basu, Editor, Anyaswar Published in : www.guruchandali.com (in Bengali)
It is a story of that horrific night. The night of 14th of March, 2007. After the completion of "Operation Nandigram" in broad day light, CPM called a local 12 hour strike (bandh) in Nandigram. A bandh was called in the evening hours in such a remote place where people mostly keep themselves indoor after sunset. Why was that called then?
After the first bout of police action in the daylight when the news came that around 60 were killed, the second phase and the most horrendous phase was waiting to happen.
Meanwhile, the number of casualties as stated by media gave rise to enough confusion. Dainik Statesman (the Bengali Statesman) put the number to 31. The TV channels [private] displayed 18. The sole BBC correspondent Amit Bhattashali first stated 32 and then declared that as per the instruction from the Government to BBC, they are bound to quote only the Government version and therefore he was putting the number as 11. TARATV correspondent Gourango, who was apprehended by the police and was handed over to CPM goons and then (on live TV) was thrashed and foul-mouthed by CPM, puts it off the record as 100 and on the record as "could not count". TARATV correspondent Subrata put the number as "uncounted" as he explained no one could say and knew the exact figure. The state government spokesperson (Mr Vora) went back to the number 6 and then said that is what he was informed and he would inform the press some time later!
Subrata and Gourango of TARATV were in the field. This is the horrendous facts that they had to say. They put self-imposed censorship on themselves as - "I have stopped telling the media what I saw and ought to have told them; there is no chance people and our viewers would believe. Their is a limit to human belief. They will take me as a mad babbler! I myself am not convinced of what I saw, heard and went through. It was like a nightmare and I wish all that I saw and heard was simply a delirium."
As a matter of fact, they vomited several times in the hotel they stayed, not because of the threats by the CPM goons but because what they saw and heard and the language of threats by the CPM goons who besieged them in CPM party office in Nandigram.
"Bands of CPM goons aided by platoons of Eastern Frontier Rifles and Commando forces were entering every village and paras [mahallas]. They brought the men out of home, they took no prisoners, no witnesses, they shot them, bayoneted them, ripped apart their stomachs and then laid them down the canal to the sea and confluence. They then brought out the young girls, gathered them in open space, raped them multiple times till the girls collapsed, they then tore their limbs, in some cases cut them to pieces and let them down the Haldi river and/or Talpati canal. They made sure that there were no witnesses. And even if there were some, they know that the young girls in traditional Medinipur would never come out to say what really happened and who will believe. Nobody will corroborate and those who will speak out will be killed and tortured again. CPM and police then wrapped the entire village with their red banners showing that the area was secured and their writ will run. Those who fled the villages were mostly apprehended on the outskirts or on the boundaries and no one knows what happened to those poor souls. We could hear these facts only from those who could crawl the whole way out through fields and forests. Even that is difficult now as the fields are all dried up and the crops have already been reaped. Anyone running is easily visible.
Even though innumerable, official count of rape could be obtained as six, because these are the ones who survived to tell their tales and they are around middle aged women who somehow were spared from being butchered and minced to pieces. The process followed in villages after villages and to our utter astonishment the process continued till next morning. All the correspondents were removed. Sukumar Mitra, a journalist from Dainik Statesman ran his way out amidst flurries of bullets. He was specifically hunted and somehow could manage to sneak out. The ferocity of this attack was so grizzly that the residents of that area was simply not believing anyone to open their gab. Fear is made a weapon for a social-censorship.
Haripur is a nearby subdivision. This area is earmarked for nuclear power plant. People of that region has also come up in protest. Most of them are fishermen. They have stopped going to the confluence and the sea. They feel that human bodies are everywhere in the confluence and the worst is that the crocodiles,gharials and sharks are now rushing towards that spot from far away Sunderbans. These animals rush for fresh blood. The fishes will be eaten away by these reptiles and there is a high possibility of these getting netted instead of fishes. The Haripur will be out of livelihood for at least a week or so, and this was premeditated by the CPM administration to teach Haripur a lesson. Haripur is the place which shooed out even Central teams and even bigger police forces. This was a lesson to teach both Nandigram and Haripur together. No sign of any dead bodies would ever be found, no proof of rape will be there. The real number of casualties can only be revealed at least three months after, and that too if peace comes into stay, and if the residents could come back and then count the missing. But after CPM has "secured" and "liberated" those areas, the evicted will not be allowed to come back and these properties will be given to the CPM goons from Keshpur and Garbeta and neighbouring places. The permanency of mopping up strategy is how CPM will ensure that Nandigram and Haripur will be secured for electoral battles in the future."
This is more horrendous than partition story. The journalists all are aware of this but they cannot come out with these stories. CPM will ensure that these journalists are hunted down and wiped out of existence. They have already started to threaten all journalists and intellectuals who have gone against them.
Let us not draw parallels from the history! I do not know who will believe how much, but I have mentioned the sources and you all are welcome to verify them through the references I have provided.
Soumitra Basu, Editor, Anyaswar Published in : www.guruchandali.com (in Bengali)
RE:That Night in Nandigram
by Gautam Chakrabarti on Mar 18, 2007 06:00 PM Permalink
I am hearing from a distance (as I am away from Country for last 16 years) that no farmer is interested to sell his land in Hoogly or Midnapur districts of West Bengal. It is correct -that they will not get job after industrialist built Plant as they are untrained/unskilled/uneducated. But I suggest to consider the land cost in such a manner that farmer will find it reasonable and the basis should be made to take care their dependent well (in absence of harvesting). This means Government should consider paying a very heavy amount to each farmer for their land compare to present payment rate verbal promise of a Job. This is just a suggestion and may be looked into. Gautam Chakrabarti E-Mail: gautam_chakrabarti@rediffmail.com
RE:RE:That Night in Nandigram
by Uttamkumar on Mar 18, 2007 09:58 PM Permalink
Is there anybody who make a website and get strong opinion of SEZ plan as follows.
In a very huge populous country like India to make a SEZ at least 7-8 villages or more are needed. Each village is highly populated. So it is highly difficult to rehabilitate all people with proper cost of homes, fertile lands etc. So it will be good idea to develop an unpopulated or less populated and less fertile place like Purulia district (WB) for SEZ. At least two purpose will served by this process. (1) undeveloped place will be developed. People there will get a newer life and heal up old days. (2) people of the region will be easy to rehabilitate with proper cost and they will not have to face (slave servant) forcefully by the state Govt.
Then I think it will be better to send that campaign to the Central Govt for consideration.
Sukanta Goswamy NANDIGRAM, March 17. %u2014 Barely an hour before the NDA delegation visited Sonachura village, three supporters of the Bhumi Uchhed Protirodh Committee were abducted allegedly by CPI(M) - backed goons from the Khejuri side of Bhangabhera bridge in Nandigram. The abducted villagers were identified as Gourhari Barik, Purna Chandra Pal and Buddha Mirdha, all from Dinabandhupur village in Nandigram. According to reports, around 11 a.m., the protesters of anti-land grab movement organised a rally towards Bhangabhera via Sonachura village. Eyewitness accounts said three men were preceding the rally at a distance of about 500 metres to check whether armed goons, allegedly backed by the CPI-M were hiding anywhere to launch an attack on the protesters. While looking for armed men, Barik, Pal and Mirdha went across the Bhangabhera Bridge. Suddenly, armed goons surfaced from bushes and allegedly whisked them away into a car and fled towards Khejuri. Since then, there is no trace of the trio. http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=1&theme=&usrsess=1&id=150009
Similar incidents occuered in recent past in Bengal but somehow were not focussed/ addressed properly by mass or naked political parties in this state. "Ulanga Raja" (Naked King) like Buddha must be punished and thrown out of Red-building immediately. His life is full of mistakes and now the same reached beyond the limit.....
RE:Nandigram is not a new incident in Bengal of such kind
by dick chenney on Mar 18, 2007 04:43 PM Permalink
Good Point Mr bandopadhayay. Whats next then? Who takes over? Mamta?
RE:RE:Nandigram is not a new incident in Bengal of such kind
by PK BANDYOPADHYAY on Mar 18, 2007 04:58 PM Permalink
Dear Mr. Chenney, I am sorry, I have no answer. I do not know where are you, I am in Gurgaon and little away from Bengal. Why you took the name Mamata? She is not a political leader. We are really feeling for some alternative in the future ? Do you have any answer ?
RE:RE:RE:Nandigram is not a new incident in Bengal of such kind
by trikarn on Mar 18, 2007 05:52 PM Permalink
only the people can make any change that is if they feel so. as it is these people are a deeply divided one. so do not expect any great change here. i think time is not reipe for this sort of thing in WB and also the elite of wbengal have lost interest in politics, after the naxal movement of the 70 s. that space has been filled in by u know who.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Nandigram is not a new incident in Bengal of such kind
by Prasenjit Bhattacharjee on Mar 18, 2007 06:04 PM Permalink
My Question is:
what will be the initiative of the industrialization?? Ok No SEZ in Nandigram..but in fertile state like Bengal where you will find land for manufacturing units which needs lot of water too?? Today we can throw Buddha..what will happen you ppl like me and thousands who are waiting for their new future in Bengal...who is going bring the trade-off of industry and agriculture?? WE CAN BLAME SOME BODY EASILY. BUT, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE JOBS AND DEVELOPMENT? AND KEEPING THE AGRICULTURE...stop crying fowl...tell us the alternative.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Nandigram is not a new incident in Bengal of such kind
by PK BANDYOPADHYAY on Mar 18, 2007 06:27 PM Permalink
Mr. Bhattacharya, agreed to your view points. But everything must be done following a systematic planning and approach. This is the major defficiency in WB. Probably, you know the size of Tata Steel Plant at Jamshedpur. Augmented capacity (not yet achieved) is 10 milion ton os steel producion per year. This may be cosnidered one of the bigest steel plants. Do you have idea about the area rqeuirement for this Jamsgedpur plant? It is about 550 acres. This group is going to build an assembly shop of car of which costing will be around Rs. 1 lakh. How much area is required ? However, we have given them land of 1000 acres. Do you know the potental capability of this land? This land produces 3 times a year. Now tell us, who will be blamed ? Do you have any idea, who are getting money for the land? Please review your views gain. We all are in favour of industrializatin in a little different way. Let us select the place in a diferent way, following litle transperence approach ad taking people into confidence since industry is for people only. We can't focre people to leave their land. We an not kill people for land. We can not rape the ladies and girls for land or for industrialization. Please also see the reports of Mr. Soumira Basu.
RE:RE:RE:Nandigram is not a new incident in Bengal of such kind
by dick chenney on Mar 18, 2007 05:09 PM Permalink
Mr Bandopadhayay, Unfortunately we donot have a consensus solution though we all know where the problem lies. Its futile to keep complaining about this govt as it has not helped us at all in past 30 years. A solution would be a leader from the new generation who has the wisdom of the ages, who would lead a revolution, a bloodless coup but more powerful than the french and the russian combined, and history books would refer it to Bengal Revolution 2007. and after that we would have the glory days of bengal back....and would then lead india to top of the world.... A great dream...isnt it? I am not apoet....I am realistic....I have woken up for the moment....and I am just waking other up for the moment.... either we stop complaining and show how intellectuals we are with our ideas...or we are up for changing this forever...now .....
RE:RE:RE:RE:Nandigram is not a new incident in Bengal of such kind
by later gupta on Mar 18, 2007 05:40 PM Permalink
Sri Bandopadhyay and Sri Chenney ! Like you two I , too, am concerned about the next suitrable leader "who KNOWS and KNOWS that HE KNOWS"! But unfortunately due to absence of character building education by the STATE. TODAY IT IS RARE TO FIND ONE AND EVEN IF FOUND, HE MAY NOT BE ACCEPTED BY MAJORITY . SO? THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY LEFT AND THAT IS NOT CHOOSING A MAN OR A PARTY! Normally, the candidate /party chooses the electoral MANIFESTO But its not satisfaory as we have seen! CAN WE HENCEFORTH DECIDE THE TOTAL MANIFESTO OURSELVES BY ORGANISING PUBLIC OPINION SOMEHOW, EITHER BY CONTACTS OR BY INTERNET OR IN ANY WAY. THEN THE PARTY OR THE CANDIDATE WILL TICK MARK THE POINTS AS A DECLARATION THAT HE WILL ENSURE FULFILMENT OTF THAT ITEM , BASED ON THAT PEOPLE WILL EITHER VOTE HIM /PARTY OR NOT(PROVIDED NO RIGGING TAKES PLACE) For example,corruption will be eraducated ,Value based education will be ensured are two item. Candidate will TICK or NOT is upto his or his party's free will. CLEARING THE CONSTITUTION OF LOOP HOLES FOR SHELTERING MISCREANTS OR EVEN A CHIEF MINISTER WHO TAKES A STAND TO GRAB LANDS IN CONTRARY TO THE PRUDENT ACTION --ALLWILL BE ITEMISED IN THAT MANIFESTO. THUS, I HOPE WE WONT LOOSE AS MANY AS 60 YEARS IN CRYING FOR A CLEAN GOVERNMENT FILLED WITH HALF EDUCATED GOONS! I expect my proposal be circulated well and public opinion generated !
IT HAD BEEN PROVED THAT COMMUNISTY WHEREEVER AND WHAT SO EVER WILL KILL PEOPLE AND DESTROY ANYTHING WHICH COMES THROUGH THEIR WAY OF THEIR AMBITIONS, IT IS PROVED IN ALL THE COUNTRY. IT IS TO BE JOINTLY MOVED IN ALL THE RESPECT.
