I am rather surprised to read that commies and like minded left & extreme left parties also have "coalition dharma". All along I assumed that only dharma any coalition rule has- scratching each other's back in amassing wealth. Amusing they are thinking beyond the sole dharma- Possible being a sinking ship!!! All dharams out of the bag...
I knew chattopadhyays were stupid and but this bhaskar is beyond any redemption. Bragging and swinging his tail like a dog. Hey do you think only you know history. just shut you big mouth and go for a dive
RE:shut up big fat mouth you bhoskor chattop
by sayan mukherjee on Mar 17, 2007 03:08 PM Permalink
your message and your tone definitely shows your upbringing and cultural core. i do not know whether to feel sorry for you on your possible despicable upbringing or for your parents who would have got you in spite of their efforts.
'Nandigram was more shocking than Jallianwala Bagh'
From correspondents in West Bengal, India, 01:04 PM IST
Returning the highest literary awards bestowed on them by the West Bengal government, eminent Left historian couple Sumit Sarkar and Tanika Sarkar Saturday said Nandigram was more shocking than the Jallianwala Bagh massacre because it happened in a Left-ruled state.
'Jallianwala massacre happened in colonial India but what happened in Nandigram is shocking since it happened in a Left-ruled government in independent India,' said Sumit and Tanika Sarkar in a telephonic interview to IANS from New Delhi.
'Jallianwala Bagh was the outcome of one single man's action (General Dyer ordered the firing on hundreds of people on April 13, 1919) but here the entire CPI-M (Communist Party of India-Marxist) machinery and the government were involved in the killings,' they said.
'What happened in Gujarat in 2002 did not amaze us as much because it was a Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) government but in a Left-ruled state this is astounding,' Tanika Sarkar said.
The couple returned their Rabindra Puraskars - the highest honorary literary award given in West Bengal - to register their protest over the killings of 14 people in police firing at Nandigram and decided to donate the award money to the Nandigram Relief Fund.
'I received Rs.50,000 in 2004 and Sumit received Rs.25,000 in 1998. We are giving away the money to Nandigram Relief Fund,' she said.
'We are shattered. All this has happened and there is not a word of shame or apology from the CPI-M central committee or state committee,' she said.
Sumit Sarkar, former professor of history at Delhi University, is a prominent Indian social historian who in his 'Writing Social History' sought to combine an empirical study of themes in late-colonial Indian history with an intervention in current debates about the extent and nature of Western colonial domination. Tanika Sarkar's work focuses on the intersections of religion, gender, and politics in both colonial and postcolonial South Asia, in particular on women and the Hindu Right.
'What happened inside Nandigram that day (March 14) no one knows,' said the Sarkar couple who were distressed since the controversy in Singur over takeover of farmland for industry broke out.
'As a lifelong Leftist, I was deeply shocked by recent events in the countryside of West Bengal. On Dec 31, a group of us went to Singur, spent the whole day there, visited four out of five most affected villages and three things became very clear, because of which the West Bengal government's version cannot be accepted,' said Sumit Sarkar.
'One, the land, far from being infertile or mono-cropped, as has been stated repeatedly, is extremely fertile and multi-cropped. Two, there is no doubt that the vast bulk of the villagers we met are opposed to the take-over of land and most are refusing compensation. Three, we found much evidence of force being employed, particularly on the nights of Sep 25 and Dec 2 last year,' he said.
'The West Bengal government seems determined to follow a particular path of development involving major concessions both to big capitalists like the Tatas and multinationals operating in SEZs (special economic zones). Yet the strange thing is that these, particularly the latter, are things which Left parties and groups as well as many others have been repeatedly and vehemently opposing,' he said.
'Is this SEZ model that implies massive displacement and distress really the only way? If the West Bengal government thinks so, then it also has to accept that the inevitable consequences are going to be a repetition of Nandigram across the state,' Sarkar said.
RE:'Nandigram was more shocking than Jallianwala Bagh' - Sumit Sarkar and Tanika Sarkar
by Binay Biswas on Mar 17, 2007 01:42 PM Permalink
these so called communist historian write a lot but never comeforward to give a concrete solution.Nor even they formulate something.Its easy to speculate many thing on the blackboard, difficult to handle the practical scene. So, be creative and give hand for the State's development, otherwise keep quiet. Better no to try to become a journalist.
RE:RE:'Nandigram was more shocking than Jallianwala Bagh' - Sumit Sarkar and Tanika Sarkar
by wani bhardwaj on Mar 17, 2007 02:54 PM Permalink
Mr. Binay, first you study COMMUNISM thoroughly if you are communist man and then give your comments. Do not act you are the model police of the entire West Bengal. World knows what happened in Nandigram and Singur
RE:RE:'Nandigram was more shocking than Jallianwala Bagh' - Sumit Sarkar and Tanika Sarkar
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on Mar 17, 2007 01:53 PM Permalink
You are now badmouthing an "eminent" historian for a undescript Indonesian group:)-
In India, there are at least 10-20 groups who are bigger than Salim.
RE:RE:RE:'Nandigram was more shocking than Jallianwala Bagh' - Sumit Sarkar and Tanika Sarkar
by Binay Biswas on Mar 17, 2007 02:23 PM Permalink
its because you people do not bring forward all the hands together and who want to bring them, do not come with them on discussion.Rather provoke the common man for the benifit.
RE:'Nandigram was more shocking than Jallianwala Bagh' - Sumit Sarkar and Tanika Sarkar
by tnravi on Mar 19, 2007 04:26 PM Permalink
Even though I am not a leftist, as a common man I am terribly horrified to know that CPM has sent their cadres in uniform to butcher the people to to Govt. line. Even in Jalianwalabhag British has used only police and not their stooges to kill people. No word is sufficient to condemn this Neo- Hitler, Budhdhadev . He should be arrested and tried for unpardonable genocide. Dakshinamoorthy, Kalpakkam
RE:'Nandigram was more shocking than Jallianwala Bagh' - Sumit Sarkar and Tanika Sarkar
by samir s on Mar 17, 2007 03:16 PM Permalink
BC, i have been reading ur posts, and you come out as a typical Bong, staying in Kolkata. Talk talk & talk. Just critisize whatever's happening!! I am no supporter of Buddha but he was doing quite good things for WB - something happening after a very long time finally! But with all the other persons like you its again back to square one.
We again shall go on strike when the tram fare goes up from Rs.2 to Rs.2.10! Why??? Why not accept changes and let somebody do good work!!
Also, whatever Advani's party ideology may be (i am not their supporter either), but they surely have done what no other govt could do earlier. Even Modi in gujarat had taken that state places! - just get out of WB and have a look at where india is moving and then maybe u would also want that development in WB.
RE:'Nandigram was more shocking than Jallianwala Bagh' - Sumit Sarkar and Tanika Sarkar
by SOUMYADEB CHAKRABORTY on Mar 17, 2007 02:59 PM Permalink
Dear Mr. Bhaskar,
Would you please explain who are you calling "innocent villagers" ? Your innocent villagers killed 23 innocent people, raped countless & burnt down huts of their fellow villagers in their siege of Nandigram since January. Your innocent villagers cut off all roads, destroyed all bridges around Nandigram so that they can continue their control of this area independent of any govt administration, police etc. And when police entered that area finally to restore law & order, your innocent villagers confronted the police with bombs & guns. I personally have no sympathy for those who send their women & children in front to face police bullets. For the time being, you might be jumping with joy, that Nandigram is back in your control. Nandigram is in the center of all spotlights because media presence is there. But this media spotlight will not be there for ever. People of Nandigram have nowhere else to go to for their daily problems other than to the local CPM. And remember one thing, Mamta is there to get back her lost media coverage, she has done nothing for the plight of the suffering & she will not do anything. Congress is there because Sonia wants Mamta back, BJP is there so that Mamta doesn't leave NDA - all these political parties are there for their narrow political mileage. These people with the help of so-called intellectuals & people like you can stoop down to any level to stop an attempt of industrialisation which was absent in the state since early 1970s. You people have turned a law & order problem into a pro-farmer/anti-industry issue. But still there are enough sane people in Bengal who can see through your designs.
RE:RE:Bangla and Lanka have ahhasa to dictate to India...
by Im back on Mar 17, 2007 12:50 PM Permalink
Aare baap re... awesome expectation !! How many seats they have ??
Jamat-E-Ulema Hind is a religious party man.. it cant do nything in secular india..
When small farmers and kolis who hold a piece of land (below 1 acre - 2 acre) for running their life then there is lot of common sense required before thinking to grab it.
Better make the polices clear. Like, Only waste and uncultivated lands are for setting up industries.
As a NRB ( Non Resident Bengali) when I was elated with the crowning of Buddha as the CM of Bengal, a close friend of mine for many years %u2013a card carrying member of the CPM from the 60%u2019s in a private conversation told not to be that positive his evaluation was of a man who was arrogant and intellectually fake- notwithstanding his bhadrolok image and moving around with the Bengali literati in Nandan. I thought it was too harsh an analysis from my friend who was deeply classical in his approach to life and times. An old party hat who fought for the oppressed but now somewhat disillusioned with the modern day promoter- apparatchik combo onslaught of his cherished values. A year later when I called him yesterday from Bangalore he was even more distraught, but told me of a wisecrack doing rounds. Two thousand years ago a Siddhartha turned into Buddha and now we have the horror of seeing a Buddha turning into Siddhartha. He was of course referring to Buddha turning into the image of his past chief minister Siddhartha Sankar Ray and his infamous oppressive machination of the emergency days. Nandigram culminates into an episode unparalleled in the history of independent India . The major cause of violent police brutality in post independent India was a somewhat dubious connection of the local people with so called terrorist or nati-national elements whether in Kashmir or in the North East . As the astute governor Gopal Gandhi rightly observed this fig leaf justification is not available for the present CPM government. The reason for this is socio- political. With no semblance of a rational opposition in west Bengal the government machinery has become fascist as it well knows that even in a free and fair election they will win. This is ought to happen %u2013 not for nothing the US constitution does not allow a president to run for a third term. As the old maxim goes absolute power corrupts absolutely. That is the classic similarity between Modi and Buddha two of the brand poster boys of modern India . In awful twist to Kipling this is where the right and the left has met. My old friend, the classical communist does not agree to my thesis, to him Stalin, Tiananmen square and Nandigram are aberrations of the brutality of the State power. The old bearded German icon who started it all in London could never have predicted the move of his current followers from Das Kapital to Market Capital.
RE:Ruminations of a sad NRB
by Subha on Mar 17, 2007 01:04 PM Permalink
U r another ignorant Bong %u2026. Shedding croc tears frm ..god knows frm whr ????%u2026 do u know the ground realities of Bengalis%u2026PLZ UNDERSTAND %u2026. 90 % of rickshawallah, housemaids , petty helps %u2026working in NCR ( gurgaon %u2013Delhi %u2013 noida ) r BENGALIS %u2026 and how do u think this can stop ???? Agriculture has failed to address this issue%u2026 only industrialization can help%u2026 I repeat itz a PROVEN MODEL%u2026 ppl like u %u2026support dis and wud like it to continue%u2026. Make another Bihar %u2026. MAMTA brand is a sponsored reaction frm a anti Bengal lobby %u2026 u look to b another beneficiary %u2026 Plz allow d next generation to hv some employment opportunity in Bengal%u2026. Don%u2019t make them a cheap commodity%u2026 LASTLY .. why r u afraid to spell out ur name ???? looking fr some cheap thrill out of a serious issues%u2026..
what the allies are doing is not right. this all have happened because of stimulation by the oppositions. they do not come forward for a good cause. cm has already told that no land will be taken by the govt. yet, the opposition did not turn to the meetings, nor helped restoring peace at that place. actually, not cm, but mamta should be gunned down. what does she want? allies should think that united they stand otherwise, they will be vanished by the new generation of cadre that will be produced by cong and trinamul. this blood shed will contunie.
all the opposition should join hands and support for the good of the state with discussuion with cm. only he can save bengal. it will be realized after few years. if the oposition come to table,no problem will be there. they only will then get votes. otherwise they will be vanished likethis election. no youth votes for mamta and the cong, because they know they are good for nothing except political hooliganism.
If u have 0.25 acres of land and your family depends on that, WILL YOU SELL IT?
Now, as per Indian laws, YOU CANNOT FORCE ANYBODY TO SELL THEIR LAND. Can you? Specially after sending police, terrorising police, giving wrong info to people?
Buddha's foolishness has caused this. Common men are NOT fool to understand what is good/bad for them !
RE:RE:West Bengal govt under threat
by Binay Biswas on Mar 17, 2007 01:19 PM Permalink
no one is taking ur land. the stimulating opposition should come on the table for peaceful solution instead of creating nuisance. Are any big leader has ever been injured/murdered in any political crash? Its all the grassroot players--the fool innocent ignorant badly motivated people. Democracy means discussion and putting opinion.The opposition has responsibility to share/put creative opinion--rather spreading and mastermining terorism.
RE:RE:RE:West Bengal govt under threat
by Paramesh Waran on Mar 17, 2007 01:29 PM Permalink
Do not be fool enough to call the a**hol*s strutting about in the CPIM garb as big leaders. Nincompoops the lot, of course with what passes for education in these times. Unfortunately, bereft of any modicum of common sense or practicality. It is this lot which needs to be shot.
RE:RE:West Bengal govt under threat
by Im back on Mar 17, 2007 12:30 PM Permalink
The uchched protodrodh committee will do "uchched" to all industrialists....
man ... the place you work.. the the road you use... all was somebody's land at one time...and they are given compensation for that... only thing is some people has to compromise for benifit of larger community...
The computer you are using.. would not have been made in some people did not have given their land for the industry.. What would you have done then ? Would you have done farming ??... How will you use internet if some industralist would not made cable... The price you gven for your computer would have much cheaper for you if it was made in your state... and that could have given job to millions of non bengalis... Think about it... think responsible...
RE:RE:RE:RE:West Bengal govt under threat
by Binay Biswas on Mar 17, 2007 01:15 PM Permalink
if the oppostions are rigid and politicially motivated, then there will be blood shed and no creative outcome will come out. I have never voted for CPM or against them, yet I think the Opposition should be sensible as they have enough role to play, just not to protest,In democracy, they must come to table to solve everyproblem /issue.Govt, by laws, will raise points for development; but Opposition should discus it sensibly. Many people will say many thing.Even the Godhra Leader Advani has come.What did he do that day? Maoists kill 55 innocent police--what r these Advani, CBI, Mamata, Joyti Basu doing there?
So, its easy to attack the CM, but difficult to solve the problem as everyone wants to take the best out of it.And thats why are are poor. Be open and come for the solution and development.
What are we talking, dividing ourself like some with Mamta and some with Budhadeb, I am sorry my dear brothers and sister, please dont fragment ourselves because of these leaders. I really wish West Bengal should prosper but on what cost? there are the ways to convince the people, not by using police force, after the dead people are our citizens not animals. Look at rudeness of Communist Leaders! they are most egoist people, I am sorry for the people of West Bengal, the intellectual core of India, has been electing these most arrogant and stupid visionary people like communist. But at the same time I am with the people of West Bengal, I know how the cadre terrroirise the people during elections. Look at the statement of mr sitaram, said the communal riots and this nadigram killings is different, I agree hypthetically and but what about killing of lives of citizens, till date nobody is dare to take responsilbity. Now communist last the right to criticise Gujrat riots. If they really want to develope Bengal, why they have different view on Maharashtra SEZ and protested fake demonstrations in Delhi. We know the congress and communist playing this drama to show the people the everbody has their own voice in the UPA Govt by fooling the people. If communist pose that they are saviours, then for the past over 20 years communist Govt is ruling in West Bengal and what made different in West Bengal in comparision to Andhra, Karnataka, or Gujrat, and nascent one Rajasthan, what is their great contribution to Bengal? is the poverty level, or unemployment, why people are goving out of Bengal to Delhi and Mumbai, down south why ? please wake up people of Bengal make up Nandigram is place something like Merrut in our freedom struggle in 1857, now fight for your rights? free from this Goonda Raj of communist and show the country we Bengal people are real intellectuals when it comes to choosing right Govt. We need people who lead the country or state which ever party they comes from should well mannered and polite to people somebody like ,Mr Vajpayee, Mr. chandrababu, mr. sm krishna or to that even Mr. Narendra Modi. It doesnt mean I am supporter of BJP, I am trying to explain the kind of people we need to lead the country and states. It doesnt mean they are not corrupt, now we should pay more attention on Governance part not on corruption issues. No body even God cannot remove the corruption from this country unless we have better law enforcement, and we should even bother to outsource our police from other countries. It seems to be irratic but lets start somewhere.
RE:When one looses feet from ground, they start terror
by Im back on Mar 17, 2007 12:06 PM Permalink
And who supplies arms and ammunition to them ?? You mean you support Maoists ?? You supprot NAXALS ?? You support Aplhas ??
RE:RE:RE:When one looses feet from ground, they start terror
by Im back on Mar 17, 2007 12:38 PM Permalink
Chal be ullu ke patthe.... ek baat ko samajh.. they did not become tmc or bjp or cong supporter.. they just become anti - CPM.. they feared their land will be taken.. but actually no land was marked to be taken.. it was just under dicsussion.. and Buddha told that there will be no chemical hub in nandigram.. he ordered police to free the "free zone".. did not send them to take land..
tujhe yeah pata nahi hai ke pata hoke bhi pata nahi??
Jaise aj agar stike mein tu ghar ke bahar gaya with your car(lets say) and TMC supporters break your car.. u will beome anti TMC and become CPM..
bheje mein kuchh gaya ke nahi ?? bol to aur ekbar explain karta hun...
RE:RE:RE:RE:When one looses feet from ground, they start terror
by Binay Biswas on Mar 17, 2007 02:28 PM Permalink
well written. some people are morbidly adherent to see Mr.Bhattacharyya's fault-do not try to see the others role.
