1. Is this Trust registered in the US. Not that it makes a huge lot of difference. If it is registered we could get tax benefit. That much better for charity
2. Is thier a facility to do a automatic monthly deposit
RE:Is this Trust registered in the US
by banajit goswami on Mar 08, 2007 07:28 AM Permalink
ha ha ha...ha ha ha what a great cause of donating money...to get TAX benefit! nobody wants your donation dude!! keep it with you!!
RE:RE:Is this Trust registered in the US
by anuj kumbhat on Mar 08, 2007 10:20 AM Permalink
Kudos Mr. Bardhwaj, I must say you seem to be only person who is serious about donation. Because you have asked very relevant question. Mr. Goswami, I guess trust won't mind if Mr. Bardhwaj gets the benefit...and you too shouldn't!
RE:RE:Is this Trust registered in the US
by Amit Sangekar on Mar 08, 2007 10:24 AM Permalink
u bong????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
RE:RE:Is this Trust registered in the US
by Naalayak Chhokra on Mar 08, 2007 08:10 AM Permalink
How stupid can u be... he wants to donate... and if he saves tax also still no reasons to laugh like an idiot
RE:RE:RE:Is this Trust registered in the US
by ashwin kamath on Mar 08, 2007 08:52 AM Permalink
banajit goswami is really stupid...what difference does it make to the organization...they get their money and S Bharadwaj saves taxes...both are beniefitted...
RE:RE:RE:RE:Is this Trust registered in the US
by varun varun on Mar 08, 2007 10:35 PM Permalink
This is called mutually beneficial. There is a proverb that says "charity is only after you have enough for yourself". IF he can save tax he will have more money for himself and also can donate to the charity. Please dont discourage people who are willing to donate with some expectations. 1 rupee or 1million it can still make a difference. A mother cant breast feed her child if she is not fed properly...
RE:RE:Is this Trust registered in the US
by anuj kumbhat on Mar 08, 2007 10:20 AM Permalink
Kudos Mr. Bardhwaj, I must say you seem to be only person who is serious about donation. Because you have asked very relevant question. Mr. Goswami, I guess trust won't mind if Mr. Bardhwaj gets the benefit...and you too shouldn't!
RE:Is this Trust registered in the US
by salman siddiqui on Mar 08, 2007 11:13 AM Permalink
Thats is so cheap.... You want to save Tax by helping these poor old ladies. dude, Do yourself a favor, Keep the money with you,You just might need that money when you attain their age.
Registered in US? You crazy or what? Go get a Heart!!
RE:Is this Trust registered in the US
by pavan srivastava on Mar 14, 2007 07:23 PM Permalink
hey ... here's a link as you wanted ... http://www.janakalyansevashram.com/SCHEMES.HTM
All Donations are exempted under section 80G of the IT act, vide order no. DIT(E)/MC/80-G/2644/2002/ for the period 01-04-2005 to 31-03-2008. (Pan : AAATJ2011L)
I hope you can now donate and i hope to see many more donations coming in .... better use this than to pay this chor govt of ours ... you may save ur taxes but you will have something to be proud of by doing atleast one such good act though in the form of saving your taxes ... hope we see more of these articles and can help the more needy ... elderly people ...
RE:Is this Trust registered in the US
by Bhaskar Teegela on Mar 08, 2007 11:02 AM Permalink
Bardhwaj, the contact details are mentioned in the discussions above. May be you can pls call them and find out.Or their website must begiving details. I appreciate your noble act. Bhaskar 9866656176
One old saying. "Jaisa Karoge Waisa Bharoge". If They way you treat your parents or parent in laws now you will be treated like that when the time come. So act now and change yourself and change the world.
Lots of messages, for against the law and in favor of the law. People have blamed others, but they have forgotten that pointing (blaming) fingers at other is easy then thinking about his/her mistake. If you point one finger to other you are pointing more (3-4) to yourself. Why not do whatever each and every person can do to help places like Vishranthi Charitable Trust . Also you should make sure that the same thing should not happen to you or your wife when you are old or no longer live in this world. Start saving (or invest in pension plan, life insurance etc) for future now. One life live it happy ever after.
It is really sad that the western logic of Old homes/Senior homes has polluted the traditions of India (wherein parents and elderly used to be the most respected members of a family) It must be heartbreaking for a parent to sacrifice a lot in his/her life raising a child and the child in return throws them outta their lives like disposable items.
If the senior has to live away from home for any reason the Govt can help him/her by issuing mandatory strict Laws where every ADULT child is forced to pay a monthly supplement, a flat percentage deducted directly from their paychecks from their workplaces to rehabilitate their elderly parents until their demise. Thus ensuring their golden age is provided for.
RE:When parents become a Burden and children cease to be a Blessing.
by Abhishek Banerjee on Mar 08, 2007 04:18 AM Permalink
You are saying something silly; first of all, not all workers in India get "paycheques". Further, this is a problem that will get solved over time. Having children is a CHOICE and even abortion is legal; so there is no "sacrifice" involved. As Indians start understanding the concepts of retirement plans and retirement homes, this issue will go away.
RE:RE:When parents become a Burden and children cease to be a Blessing.
by indiantothecore on Mar 08, 2007 11:47 AM Permalink
If not paychecks/cheques(big deal)there must be some way to enforce a Law or a tax return/exemption...in short an effective means to provide a monthly Senior Support to needy Parents not residing with their working Adult Children (Something along the lines of Child Support)
Abortion is Legal for medical reasons not to aid female infanticide on a larger dangerous scale. Many lower income families struggle to provide for their kids and sacrifice their own dreams and desires in the hot pursuit. Contributing to a retirement plan may be difficult for a lower to middle income family faced with a high rate of inflation. A sacrifice does not apply to the filthy rich cuz they dont spend sleepless nights worrying about their children's education,illness/accidents etc etc.
RE:When parents become a Burden and children cease to be a Blessing.
by Saket B on Mar 08, 2007 03:35 AM Permalink
PuhleazE!
It is not a western concept to mistreat old people. In India their is a systematic abuse of old, specially widowed women. It is not uncommon for kids/sons to get the properties signed by mothers (who are legal heirs) and mistreat them. Specially in Eastern India widowed women are mistreated rampently.
RE:When parents become a Burden and children cease to be a Blessing.
by Sachin Gupta on Mar 08, 2007 04:05 AM Permalink
Lots of messages, for against the law and in favor of the law. People have blamed others, but they have forgotten that pointing (blaming) fingers at other is easy then thinking about his/her mistake. If you point one finger to other you are pointing more (3-4) to yourself. Why not do whatever each and every person can do to help places like Vishranthi Charitable Trust . Also you should make sure that the same thing should not happen to you or your wife when you are old or no longer live in this world. Start saving (or invest in pension plan, life insurance etc) for future now. One life live it happy ever after.
I completely agree with Manish Rogi. In most cases, it is Mother who creates problems rather than Wife. They are unable to cope up with changing times and spend most of their time cribbing, complaining and crying. Since the mothers were ill-treated by their mother-in-laws, they want the same thing to happen to their daughter-in-laws ! It is pure "ragging". I do not understand their mental makeup when they love their "own" daughters but hate the newly arrived daughter-in-law, who leaves everything and comes to her husband's house for the rest of her life. The main reasons are Over-possessiveness and Jealousy. Mothers are jealous that their bahus are educated, that they go to work and express their love to husbands more freely than the previous generation. The "older" generation needs some education to solve this issue. They need to "see" the world and let go of their "ego".
RE:They too are responsible !
by Pallavi Pratap on Mar 08, 2007 07:18 AM Permalink
i m sure mr. manish & mr.sudarshan, ur mothers too must be in one of these houses only cos u believe ur wife need not be ragged...
do u guys even realise that at their age it happens that they become possessive, they become a bit cynical, thats cos they are not the same as they used to be. they are old now, they cant do things they wud have wanted to with the energy tht they had... they have ailments now and so they cant think of being ok all the time... plz dont just go ahead accuse ur mother for all this... i live in australia, its an aging country and i see everyday how these old aged people cope with their life... its sooo tough..
dont accuse ur mom for everything. u too will b old some day, u will also undergo all this...
dont say this for heaven's sake... they are the ones who have given u birth, they have been there to catch u when u fell, when u were low they helped u, and now if they expect a little in return, is it too much to ask?
RE:RE:They too are responsible !
by amit khurana on Mar 08, 2007 07:58 AM Permalink
Hi Pallavi,
I am from Australia as well and totally believe what you said. The younger generation in India is following the western culture now a days and doesn't understand that the western world is going towards our culture because thats the best.
RE:RE:They too are responsible !
by Raju Aiyer on Mar 08, 2007 10:59 AM Permalink
Pallavi, it is youngsters like you who still give hope to people like me who are almost there in that stage of our lives where we would require help from our progenies for taking our last steps out of this world. We expect this from our children as a matter of right as we helped them take their first few steps in this world without getting hurt. It is also a matter of right for us because we witnessed our parents do this to our grand-parents and we in turn did (or doing) to our own parents. Where parents-in-law do not have sons they have only daughters, it is an unwritten code of honour that the sons-in-law look after their aged parents-in-law too. If we people cannot take care of our own people, I would say there is no difference between us and parasites. As I write this I have tears welling up in my eyes, but these days tears have no value, it is dismissed contemptuously!
RE:RE:They too are responsible !
by manish rogi on Mar 08, 2007 10:36 AM Permalink
You guys are mistaken...I never stopped loving or respecting my mother. But I made her understand that I have a life and she cannot lie just to create a rift between me and wife. I made her aware I need private time with my wife - I might take my wife for a movie or dinner once in a while. That my wife need not take shower he cooks the breakfast....
After I confronted the issue with an open mind ( I did have few words with my wife ), life with my parents was just fine.
RE:RE:RE:They too are responsible !
by deepak rawat on Mar 08, 2007 10:53 AM Permalink
Your and yours wife life was fine but was your Mom's life fine after you had a word with her?
RE:They too are responsible !
by indiantothecore on Mar 08, 2007 03:33 AM Permalink
Spoken like a typcial Indian Son lol
Those Bahus BETTER not kill the Girl Child in their wombs to beget a SON...cuz then they will be left at the mercy of their Sons who too will kick them out for a young pretty wife.
RE:RE:They too are responsible !
by manish rogi on Mar 08, 2007 04:02 AM Permalink
You bpought up a 'good point here... It is the MIL that troubles DIL for having only girl children (for not having boy to extend family tree - even if MIL is doctor who knows that it is X chromosome from Man make girl children....
RE:RE:RE:They too are responsible !
by indiantothecore on Mar 08, 2007 12:18 PM Permalink
MIL already did her JOB in extending the so called family tree didn't she...only to be dumped by him in her old age so why blame her for the desires of the young couple to beget a Son and commit female infanticide in the process.
In the old days MIL used to be an integral member of the family she mite have abused her authority, many have..but now she is an outsider in her own Son's Nuclear family where the DIL dictates her will in all the decisions the couple takes...rite from the color of the walls to the color of his tie. Every single thing the couple shares has to have her taste. Such a DIL makes his life a living hell if he cares for his parents/siblings while she conveniently drags this loser to her parents and makes him care and provide for them. Do U really blve such a DIL would let the MIL dictate the sex of her unborn child?
In small towns and villages people lead a conservative traditional life, there the Inlaws are equally at fault due to lack of education, however many a times it is the MAN who wants a SON and uses his Mother to enact the villain in the abortion drama at his home.
RE:RE:They too are responsible !
by Johnson D on Mar 08, 2007 07:51 AM Permalink
Mr. Manish & Mr. Sudarshan...
If you wanna leave your mothers... please do this... Repay your parents all the love, care and money they have spent on you to date... trust me you do it for the rest of your life and you won't get there... I hope your children leave you on the streets as You deserve that!!!!
RE:RE:RE:They too are responsible !
by Raju Aiyer on Mar 08, 2007 11:10 AM Permalink
Well said Johnson! Hey, have you ever listened to Paul Anka's 'Papa'. I would say "Amen" to what you have written. Hey, by any chance are you from B'lore. I had a friend and a class-mate by the name Johnson. We used to sit side-by-side. I always used to admire him for his attention to cleanliness. I lost contact with everyone of my classmates as soon as I migrated out of B'lore to Delhi.
RE:They too are responsible !
by amit khurana on Mar 08, 2007 07:54 AM Permalink
Grow up mate hope your Son's daughter does this to you and your wife and we all see how educated you will be at that time. I don't believe that its always the fault of the Bahu but it will be a better option for the Bahu to control her ego and be patient withe the elders of the family and give respect and i assure they will get love in return .
Not the "older " generation need educating but the "Younger" to spend some time with them talk to them thats all they really want and when this so called "younger" generation will grow up they will be "older" generation soon and then they will realise whats what in life
RE:RE:They too are responsible !
by anuj kumbhat on Mar 08, 2007 10:30 AM Permalink
The problem is that young generation has lost patience to tackle the issues and have started living an individualistic lifestyle. While they want everything from the society, they don't want to give anything back to it. They treat society / parents as friends or foes depending upon which is beneficial at any point in time. The problem will be solved if the parents are treated as family rather than intrusion. If they can keep their priorities behind us when we are growing and need care....why can't we keep their priorities ahead of us when they need care! HOW CAN WE ALWAYS LIVE FOR OURSELVES...HOW CAN WE BE SO SO VERY SELFISH...HOW WILL SOCIETY GROW THIS WAY?
RE:They too are responsible !
by arvind kumar on Mar 10, 2007 05:47 PM Permalink
well my friend ,the old generation needs respect and lots of love and care, rather than the so called educaion of urs. u r not born to educate them rather u r educated by them
I can't understand the Bahus being the culprits all the time. It is well know fact that most mothers are not ready to see their sons listening to other lady. Most being the phsycological reason of attention Bahus are getting from their sons which they never received from their husbands(dads). And especially older parents are not ready to accept the fact that everyone needs their own space - including them and Bahus. For example : Insisting Bahu need to cook a full fledged breakfast before reaching her work at 8.00am!!! Insisting Bahu needs to be cleaning and serving of all dishes personally! Insisting Bahu needs to do all kinds of poojas/functions in an elaborate way.... Insisting that Bahus should wear traditional dress all the time...
(AND I AM NOT SAYING THAT BAHUS ARE CLEAN ALL THE TIME).. but if you look around the families where both couple work, you can see these issues popping up....
(Most of the above examples are from my home itself. I never thought my mother would lie to me, but I was lucky enough to overhear the conversation between my mom and wife and heard my mom's account on it later...I almost made a mess out of life if I had believed my mom's account)
RE:Just the Bahus?
by padala sudha on Mar 08, 2007 02:53 AM Permalink
Let government setup such houses. Move all unhappy parents to such places and make the son pay for the maintanence of his parents.
Let have different classes for such oldage homes, and make sons maintain their parents based on his income. Afterall he has to spend a percentage of his income to really keep the mother happy. I am talking about only money here because, there is no love when the relationship has gone to an extent of moving out of family. Even mothers want this if they dont see any love towards her from her family......reasons dont really matter...can be many.. Bahu or Son or Grand childern or Bahus parents, etc etc etc......
RE:Just the Bahus?
by Sudharshan Govindan on Mar 08, 2007 03:24 AM Permalink
I completely agree with Manish Rogi. In most cases, it is Mother who creates problems rather than Wife. They are unable to cope up with changing times and spend most of their time cribbing, complaining and crying. Since the mothers were ill-treated by their mother-in-laws, they want the same thing to happen to their daughter-in-laws ! It is pure "ragging". I do not understand their mental makeup when they love their "own" daughters but hate the newly arrived daughter-in-law, who leaves everything and comes to her husband's house for the rest of her life. The main reasons are Over-possessiveness and Jealousy. Mothers are jealous that their bahus are educated, that they go to work and express their love to husbands more freely than the previous generation. The "older" generation needs some education to solve this issue. They need to "see" the world and let go of their "ego".
RE:Just the Bahus?
by jyoti on Mar 08, 2007 10:58 AM Permalink
why motherin laws even father in laws are not less if they know sothat their son's hear them.My father in law avoids my coming to house by saying you will get into troubles or very gently teaches me you should only come when my son comes and vice versa of this is not said. Recently when I was planning to buy a house we discovered the saving which my husband sent to him to invest was not also the half of what I had, though I am earning less. Father in law insisted not to buy house, he knows bfore retirement we cant return. When husband told my wife is investing maximum and taking loan also he said dont rely on her and asked him Do you how much life she has? and told him she will not live long. THis is the way my father in law behaves with me, he is retired proffessor and I too am lecturer, I have never asked him any thing but he is comfortable with me because I never handed him my salary or saving what he expected.
RE:Just the Bahus?
by anuj kumbhat on Mar 08, 2007 10:34 AM Permalink
your parents also had only one life to live? wonder why they spoiled their's for a complete idiot like u? Why have they cared for you more than themselves? Why have they let you intrude in their OWN SPACE when as a kid you came running to them with every little problem??
I am sorry but I dont understand this issue of the Bahus being the reason why the old parents are moved out of the house. If the son is strong enough, the bahus will accept the old mother in law as well. No doubt, there are mother in laws who pain the in laws. But its the son who should take care of that as well. comeon guys, we all handle much more complicated stuff in life..I guess it is the escapism attitude that we have that results in this sort of a nonsense. When parents dont abandon their kids, I dont understand why kids do the same. Shame on us.
Before blaming the BAHU let us blame the legal system for creating such a BAHU. These laws tend to westernize india. In western countries parents dont care for children and children dont care for parents. We are heading towards that. I have seen the kind of lonely lives the westerners lead. I prefer our tradition and culture which is having more harmony. Modern BAHU does not like the husband's mother and sister to stay in the same household.
Now let me come to your issue of why not blame the son... Son wants his mom and sister to live happily in the house. But everyday his wife throws tantrums on his mother and sister. Unable to bear this anymore his mother and sister feel they get peace of mind outside that house and move out. This is what is happening in most of our houses. SHAME ON WOMENS ORGANIZATIONS FOR CREATING LAWS WHICH FAVOR A DAUGHTER IN LAW AND HARASS MORE WOMEN IN THE HOUSE. I WANT ALL THE MOTHERS AND SISTERS OF HUSBANDS TO BOYCOT THE WOMENS DAY.
RE:shame to our women organizations
by Senthil Kumar on Mar 08, 2007 01:16 AM Permalink
Today's mother was a new wife not long ago. Today's sister is either gonna be new wife or already a new wife in another house.
RE:RE:shame to our women organizations
by samudra blr on Mar 08, 2007 01:27 AM Permalink
>>Todays mother was a wife long ago As I told you situation was better in the last generation. There was harmony between wife and mother earlier. Things became worst in the current generation. >> Todays sister is gonna be wife Yes definately. She will try to imitate her sister in law and take revenge on her mother in law.
What is the solution? Mother in law should become powerful. To make her powerful laws should become favourable to her.At present every 3 months there is a daughter in law biased law coming into force.
RE:RE:RE:shame to our women organizations
by Senthil Kumar on Mar 08, 2007 01:40 AM Permalink
Funny!
Every generation for the last 3000 years thinks that the previous generation was better. Politicians and mother in laws were better in previous generations for 3000 years!
Life constantly changes! My previous generation had 7 kids average in every family. Even though we have 10 children ourselves but 2 children seems to norm every where. That in fact affects various other parameters. Which could affect relationship in complex ways.
For e.g. when you have 10 kids the probability of at least one child being sympathetic to their parent at old age is high.
RE:Freedom, Laws and Moral Policing
by Prashant Kamat on Mar 08, 2007 01:20 AM Permalink
ok Mr.senthil, then what shud we do? just imagine, ur kid throwing u out of ur house
RE:Freedom, Laws and Moral Policing
by chandrakant ekkirala on Mar 08, 2007 01:57 AM Permalink
Dude, did u also throw out ur parents out by any chance ?
Its a pity that a modern bahu has ruined the structure of family by misusing the laws which favor her. Moreover our stupid system does not provide any rights to elderly.Elderly people work all their life like slaves and finally get such a treatment from their BAHU .
RE:Are our law makers observing this?
by chandrakant ekkirala on Mar 08, 2007 01:58 AM Permalink
dont blame bahus man..blame the son, because if the son is strong enough there wont be any problem between the wife and the mother..dont get influenced by the TV serials..
RE:Are our law makers observing this?
by I Parihar on Mar 08, 2007 12:44 AM Permalink
why blame the Bahu? blame your son and the upbringing. its so easy to blame the Bahu because she is someone else's daughter, why treat her as an outsider and discriminate?
RE:RE:Are our law makers observing this?
by samudra blr on Mar 08, 2007 01:09 AM Permalink
Before blaming the BAHU let us blame the legal system for creating such a BAHU. These laws tend to westernize india. In western countries parents dont care for children and children dont care for parents. We are heading towards that. I have seen the kind of lonely lives the westerners lead. I prefer our tradition and culture which is having more harmony. Modern BAHU does not like the husband's mother and sister to stay in the same household.
Now let me come to your issue of why not blame the son... Son wants his mom and sister to live happily in the house. But everyday his wife throws tantrums on his mother and sister. Unable to bear this anymore his mother and sister feel they get peace of mind outside that house and move out. This is what is happening in most of our houses. SHAME ON WOMENS ORGANIZATIONS FOR CREATING LAWS WHICH FAVOR A DAUGHTER IN LAW AND HARASS MORE WOMEN IN THE HOUSE. I WANT ALL THE MOTHERS AND SISTERS OF HUSBANDS TO BOYCOT THE WOMENS DAY.
