Hi All, Though I am a firm beleiver that war in any sense is not at all good but still in case some one provokes he should come to know that refraining from attacking doesn't mean that we can't fight.... Whenever someone has dare this attack has come to know power of our great country....The first link is related to Kargil...second is related to Hiroshima & Nagasaki bombings....it is for those who thinks that war is a good solution for resolution & moreover getting atomic bombs status is something to cherish.......I think WMDs are not at all good things to make....they are biggest threat to man kind.....God has graced us to be as a part of planet earth..lets do something good... 1) http://www.ccc.nps.navy.mil/research/kargil/JA00199.pdf 2)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9odsuIcUk5w
RE:Really Proud of Indian Army
by Mukesh Garg on Jun 27, 2007 11:43 PM Permalink
shut up man....those villagers never caught and insulted hundreds of militants who really raped their ladies and stayed at their homes at gunpoint. Also, its army only which is controlling things in J&K. Without army, only power left there would be terrorists who will loot and rape and no one will ever know.
RE:RE:Really Proud of Indian Army
by sreedhar s on Jul 14, 2007 09:04 AM Permalink
see when army is deployed in any region, some mistakes may happen, but it doesn't mean that we can blame the entire army. In most of the situations local ppl are dangerous than the terrorists themselves becoz they protect & support & shelter the terrorists.
I am still not able to understand even after publishing the tapes why did India not pressurize the international community to bring Mr. Musharraf into international court of law and tried him of War Crimes. It was proved beyond doubt that it was he who waged war against India. India had won back all the major posts by sheer brilliance of our Army and Air Force, in spite of some basic intelligence failure. I think releasing such sort of tape was uncalled for, what it does is it makes others more cautious both in terms of communicating and people around them.
RE:Some wrong doings
by Tamil Magan on Jun 27, 2007 10:50 PM Permalink
Kaushik, The man is fighting war against terrorism, Uncle SAM is happy.. We have to wait for our turn
RE:RE:Some wrong doings
by sreedhar s on Jul 14, 2007 09:07 AM Permalink
Kaushik, we do not know many facts. Do you know who has really master minded twin-tower blasts? Recently I read that, Nehru asked historians not to write so badly about aurangazeb. If that is the case, how can we understand the facts and happenings around the world. We can't simply trust what US says.
RE:Some wrong doings
by manish rogi on Jun 27, 2007 09:19 PM Permalink
Boss, definition of war crimes are different. If is just initiating a war, most of world leaders will be in court today....
RE:Kargil is a North Indian problem
by manish rogi on Jun 27, 2007 09:17 PM Permalink
Hey Tamil Magan, So you are like Chinese supporting seperate identity for AP, right? :)
RE:Kargil is a North Indian problem
by pradeep sundaram on Jun 27, 2007 09:45 PM Permalink
Hey manish... Is there systematic opression of an ethnic group in AP? But there is clearly oppression of ethnic Tamils in Sri Lanka. Sure, the LTTE are no saints but the Sinhalese are culpable of the ongoing conflict too...
RE:Kargil is a North Indian problem
by manish rogi on Jun 27, 2007 09:57 PM Permalink
You don't the NE states, do you? Most of NE states have seperatist movements very active and we rarely hear about them. Infact more indian army die there than in Kashmir. But there are no political gains in that news, so nobody cares....
Oppression of ethnic Tamils are high today most likely caused by the attrocities of LTTE. We need a moderate voice in SL for Tamils get a peaceful solution!
RE:RE:Kargil is a North Indian problem
by Tamil Magan on Jun 27, 2007 10:18 PM Permalink
dude, one point of time even we(TN) asked for separate state, its the maturity between the leaders from the TN (Annadurai) and centre made things move in quiter way and we are proud to say a progressing state. We dont have any issues sharing our experience with NE states for a united india
but my question here is do North Indian public do have any idea about the regional sensitivities in NE states or in TN?
We dont want to be dictated from Centre or by a larger voice simply because of Majority.
Srilanka Tamil issue is our(TN) Interest. we want to make our decision, a Tamil decision to solve the issue
More understanding and disucussion to respect the sensitivities of other lingual/cultural/ethnic group will create a stronger indian union
RE:RE:Kargil is a North Indian problem
by sreedhar s on Jul 14, 2007 08:52 AM Permalink
yes, we should not have any sympathy for simhalese army, they have back-stabbed and not supported our army. These simhalese army should be made to bend down on their knees before indian army.
RE:Kargil is a North Indian problem
by Tamil Magan on Jun 27, 2007 09:42 PM Permalink
nah :) basically trying to prove the fact, India is union of multi lingual, multi cultural states and every region should be having the right to defend its own sensitivities and work together as a indian union. thats it
if you give it a second, you can understand the point being a tamilian from tamilnadu i dont have anyproblem with pakistan or muslims..I support the indian union and north indians...infact i blindly support you guys.. same goes for you if i talk about singalese.. I would be asking the right to take decision and seek your support ocourse
RE:Kargil is a North Indian problem
by Tamil Magan on Jun 27, 2007 10:00 PM Permalink
thanks for adding that note.. infact thats the bye product we tamils got for unconditionally supporting north indians in their war against pakistan.
we ready to face coimbatore's for the north indians.. but are the north indians hearing our cry? atleast try to understand what we think
RE:RE:RE:Kargil is a North Indian problem
by sreedhar s on Jul 14, 2007 08:48 AM Permalink
Hey u tamil-magan, what do you mean by this "we tamils got for unconditionally supporting north indians in their war against pakistan". You tamilians are very selfish and dirty people on earth - who are like uncivilized, uncultured & uneducated.
RE:Kargil is a North Indian problem
by manish rogi on Jun 27, 2007 09:44 PM Permalink
Then probably Tamils/Sinhalese should work together for a United SriLanka (just like chinese descendants in NE states of India supporting Indian Union).
LTTE has hijacked the Tamil sentiments in SL. They decimated(I mean assassinated) the moderate Tamil voices in SL.
RE:Kargil is a North Indian problem
by aaaa on Jun 27, 2007 09:57 PM Permalink
Hey Tamil Magan, how can you say you have no problem with muslims, remember coimbatore blasts. Who died there - Northies. It is precisely this mentality of Tamilians that makes rest of India not to trust them. I am a Telugu and i never say that I have no problem with Pakistan not any other Telugus. I guess the God Hating Dravidian movement has made you guys blinded to the concept of Hindu Religion and Bharat Mata. People like you are the precise reason why so many people like me don't want to support Tamils in Sri Lanka. You veiw things as Tamilam not Desiyam. Then why should we help you...?
RE:RE:Kargil is a North Indian problem
by Tamil Magan on Jun 27, 2007 10:15 PM Permalink
sorry for deviating from the main topic.. Well i answered above abt coimbatore.
Lets not go to the fact we dont trust rest of the indians, we picking every oppurtunity to prove the fact we support indian union. try to check the fact TN topped kargil funding in India than any other states. Does that mean we hate muslims, NO that means we support our fellow countrymen when they need us
RE:RE:Kargil is a North Indian problem
by Tamil Magan on Jun 27, 2007 10:26 PM Permalink
Let us be quite frank and open my friend. Look at any foreign country, you can see the people of India prefer to get along with the people from their local culture/language. As of i know there are tamil, telugu, kannada, malayalam, hindi, gurathi associations all around the world and noticed all these language associations together create a Indian association with the language associations being the member bodies.
I dont see any thing wrong to point out the fact that iam a proud tamil and work to the betterment of Indian union
when i say pakistan issue is not a tamils problem, I honestly raising it as a point to my fellow countrymen to discuss little more openly what I feel, what i can contribute & what i expect
RE:RE:RE:Kargil is a North Indian problem
by aaaa on Jun 28, 2007 12:02 AM Permalink
Yes that is true not only about Indians. It is true about people of any other country. For example Italians group with Italians , Jews group with jews, Irish with Irish. And i am not asking you not to love Tamils. My problem is the fact that you consider Pakistan as the problem of Northies and your asking support for LTTE as bargain that bothers me. It is the same mentality shown by our forefathers - when Porus was fighting Alexander , Nandas said it is not their problem, When Rajputs were fighting Moghuls South of Vindhyas said it is not their problem, When Krishnadevaray was fighting Muslims Tamil kings said is is not their problem. What is the result --- All of us are suffering because of the Muslims/Pakistan. Tamils should understand that the fact that they were safe from these attacks by Mlechas is because people above fought with those invaders and laid down their lives. So my problem is openly to the fact that you do not consider Pakistan as your problem and that makes me worried
RE:RE:RE:Kargil is a North Indian problem
by thribhuvan hk on Jun 29, 2007 02:34 PM Permalink
why don't u change ur name from tamil magan to indian magan????
RE:RE:RE:Kargil is a North Indian problem
by sreedhar s on Jul 14, 2007 08:55 AM Permalink
Hey you fool. Each and everyone is proud of their origin/religion/language etc. What's so gr8 about u tamil people. See ur DMK- it supports congress and also NDA and hijacks all ministries. Are you ppl not ashamed of yourselves. See how ur DMK chief brutally sacked Maran. It's like a hell to live with ur tamil ppl. You ppl don't respect other cultures.
RE:Kargil is a North Indian problem
by Ram Chauthariya on Jun 27, 2007 10:25 PM Permalink
You are asking people to support a brutal terrorists organization that regularly targets civilians, killed Rajiv Gandhi....?
RE:RE:Kargil is a North Indian problem
by Tamil Magan on Jun 27, 2007 10:32 PM Permalink
who killed M.K.Gandhi? Who is RSS/B.J.P?.. if indian union can forget M.K.Gandhi's killers why not LTTE?
who entered Golden temple and killed several hundreds ? and who apologised latter?
mistakes will be made .. anyway Lets get the people involved in Rajiv's murder to the court,whoever it may be..
RE:RE:RE:Kargil is a North Indian problem
by sreedhar s on Jul 14, 2007 09:14 AM Permalink
hey tamil-mogan dont talk of RSS/BJP & Gandhi. In fact hindus can survive and live peacefully in india only becoz of RSS. If you want to be a separate state you can go away. Even soviet russia was divided. Does it cost anything to human race?
RE:RE:RE:RE:Kargil is a North Indian problem
by sreedhar s on Jul 14, 2007 08:57 AM Permalink
And also we won't forget the fact that Rajiv is killed in tamil land. We know how you ppl were playing games in the name of veerappan - threatening kannadigas by kidnapping film stars and politicians. And finally veerappan was killed becoz he was sick and it's of no use protecting him.
How the decisions are made by our Intelligence, be it IB or RAW. They are based not on merits but on political leverage. Sometimes PM or HM uses it to their own advantage other times intelligence uses them. Intelligence agencies are deviod of accountability and hence go astray. They should be made accountable to parliament.
Just read Open Secrets: India's Intelligence Unveiled written by Maloy Krishna Dhar (Former Joint Director, Intelligence Bureau, India)Published by MANAS publications.
A Solder's Diary: KARGIL; The Inside Story by Harinder Baweja. ... " It was an intelligence failure of Himalayan proportion and lot of brave men paid for the lapse with their lives. P 163-64
Our gallent solders fought against all odds and won despite heavy casaulties not because of war but due to utter failure of our intelligence and utterly poor planning by top brass.
One must read both books the one by MK Dhar gives you detailed insight from 1965-1995 as to how IB works and how it blunders.
Kargil story is rich tribute to our fallen solders if we recognise their courage and a big heart for our nation.
RE:Callous Intelligence
by manish rogi on Jun 27, 2007 09:21 PM Permalink
I completely agree. Even the outcome of war a 'victory', it resulted in huge losses for Indian forces - due to misplannig/handling of the war - just for an example - Soldiers were sent to hills with no goggles so their eyeballs were frozen....
We shud not depend on foreign pressure on Pakistan to kick them out of India, and actually it was not really done. All the posts were won back at the cost of Indian soldiers lives. But this tape leak closed all the doors of possibility of similar intelligence collection. As far as convincing US and China are concerned, we shud stop putting much effort in that direction, and use all that effort to Kick pakistan in face. US and China very well know what Pakistan does, and they have at times abetted all those actions.
Actually, by default, India's total intelligence failure coupled with incompetence of the bungling inept area military commander, played in her favor - for the first time the entire world saw first hand Pakistan's unprovoked aggression against India, and this too coming just after 9-11 - the world and especially Uncle Sam, was in no mood for tolerating this blatant military adventurism of this Islamic Terrorist nation - Musharaf gambled and lost - in Kargil. But he also won - it's precisely because of the Kargil fiasco that he became Pak's Supreme Commander, and still is, and may remain so for life.
RE:Release of Kargil tape: Blunder or masterstroke?
by Kabeer on Jun 27, 2007 08:33 PM Permalink
Dear Friend! Get your facts right! Kargil happened before 9-11
