I had previously written that Kashmiri Muslims are ignorant lot and our government has not done any thing concrete to win their hearts and i think it has not gone well with some people.I just want them to say sorry as i received some of the most wiered comments by poeple like "Mr.Vinay Gupta that you go back to KAshmir" as i am a Kashmiri Pandit "and dont spoil our place".I want to say sorry to them. I was not favouring Kashmiri Muslims because thay saved my family from terrorists or some other Kashmiri pandits family but because if you look deeply in the picture. How many times does any of our leader go to Kashmir and ask people their grevances.They go once in 4 years or 5 years.Our PM has how many times visited Kashmir or even tried to address their problems?When Sonia Gandhi and Rahul Gandhi take out rallies in UP why not in Kashmir what do they fear if they are our national leaders to carry out such rally in kashmir. Why doesnt Rahul gandhi hug Kashmiri Muslims as he hugged muslims in UP.I will tell you why because votes from kashmir doesnt matter in decidiing Centarl Govts fate. I donts say that this will work but atleast give it a try.For our government Kashmir is only important when it has to defame Pakistan and same story from Pakistan side.No body cares for Kashmir and Kashmiri People.India Sends it army and Pakistan its terrorists. By shouting on Independece Day from Lal Kila that kashmir humara hai doesnt make Kashmiri people to feel part of India.It
RE:Sorry Everyone
by mohinder bhatnagar on Jun 26, 2007 03:24 PM Permalink
Mr Deepak has analysed the Kashmir situation logically. It will definitely help if our important leaders pay periodical visits to the valley and improve their inter-action with the common man who is currently caught between the Indian forces and Pakistani terrorists. The government has made huge investments in the state but all this money has not produced results. It is important to win the hearts of the Kashmiris. But again the big question remains: Does any leader/politician listen? They are obsessed with their own petty politics.
RE:Sorry Everyone
by preet r on Jun 26, 2007 03:49 PM Permalink
Evenn i feel The same...n i endorse your views...Our political leaders has never done anything for our kashmiri brothers...
RE:Sorry Everyone
by Vinay Gupta on Jun 26, 2007 03:41 PM Permalink
But no one answer " why Kasmiri muslim donot ask for AZADI in POK". Why all demonstration in Kasmir on indian side?
RE:RE:Sorry Everyone
by Vinay Gupta on Jun 26, 2007 03:47 PM Permalink
And the solution suggested by Deepaka have already been tried. It is not only with kashmir but where evr there is imbalance in demography there is trouble. Be it kashmir or Assam.
India got divided becoz of this only. We didnot learn the lesson so history is repeating. Loyality to motherland cannot be created by hugging by political leader. It is unconditional.
If development is the issue then Orrians would not have been with India
RE:RE:RE:Sorry Everyone
by Deepak on Jun 26, 2007 03:53 PM Permalink
Yes Sir by hugging i meant just gesture the main point is development of people their. If orrians dont raise their voice for freedom now some day they will like moists in Bihar,Assam etc.It doesnt mean if govt is not taking care of some state they should keep quiet. Demand of Azadi is wrong thats is what i meant by Kashmiri people are ignorant lot because they dont know they have better future with India rather than with pakistan or Independent.
Regarding politicians going out tehre in Kashmir it has not benn tried with true heart.If you say once in a blue moon as trying then these are your views
RE:Sorry Everyone
by Vinay Gupta on Jun 26, 2007 04:00 PM Permalink
but why azadi from India and not from pakistan? and again same argument- ignorant as if we are very intelligent. Due to our intelligence we were to run awayfrom our motherland ( I mean pundits from kashmir)
RE:Sorry Everyone
by Deepak on Jun 26, 2007 03:46 PM Permalink
Because they get crushed by Pakistani rulers there ,dictatorship prevails there no democracy as it is on Indian side
RE:RE:Sorry Everyone
by Vinay Gupta on Jun 26, 2007 03:52 PM Permalink
But deepak , Why kashmiri on Indian side are not crying for AZADI and democracy and human rights of POK
RE:Sorry Everyone
by Deepak on Jun 26, 2007 04:02 PM Permalink
One more thing Mr.Vinay i ahve already said that i am not saying Kashmiri Muslims are right but i have said they are ignorant and its our duty to bring them back on right track
RE:RE:RE:Sorry Everyone
by Deepak on Jun 26, 2007 04:01 PM Permalink
Will they think of themselves first or people of POK first. Their grievences are not solved why should they think of people that are on other side
RE:Sorry Everyone
by Vinay Gupta on Jun 26, 2007 04:09 PM Permalink
This means Kashmiiyat is nothing but bullshit 2. If they are ignorant and in inorance they can kill hindus and hound them then they should be ignorant about atrocities of Army also. One cannot be selectively intelligent and selectively ignorant
RE:Indian Army Stop Terrorism in Kashmir..
by True Indian on Jun 26, 2007 02:58 PM Permalink
do 1 thing.. go 2 pakistan... their they wont even spare u... boss in which world r u living? if u really think people are torturing u go n screw the Govt asking them for an explanation. Dont forget your rights as a proud citizen of India...
RE:RE:RE:Indian Army Stop Terrorism in Kashmir..
by TrueWorrior on Jun 26, 2007 07:04 PM Permalink
I knew this i what you guys will say.. truth is always bitter dear..hahahaha
this is the fate of all faujis...fight for your country and lay down yourl ife if it is warranted ...and in a democratic country, the democracy, the voice of the masses is heard....the faujis do not belong there ...their role is cut out ..fight and lay down ur life without a whisper...here lies the irony ..the biggest sacrifices, heart wrenching stories all go unnoticed, mallika amitabh , himesh, son or daughter of so and so politician, sania is what is told on the TVs and what we want to know ....sad but true ...politicians traditionally have been least interested in the welfare of faujis...rahter anybody's so they dont matter ..what mattersor rather will matter are irresponsible and headlines grabbing actions by them like giving up siachen......how do we change this ??? no diea ..its difficult ...amitabh or shahrukh or sania will always be more important for us than those nameless faceless and voiceless men who give up their life and family without battling thier eye lids........sad but true ......
RE:Kashmir has become a bleeding wound for us
by vinayak naik on Jun 26, 2007 03:06 PM Permalink
You should take a "Katori"/begging bowl in your hand and stand on the streets to collect money which you think goes from your pocket as tax on "Siachin" It is truly said that indians are the least patriotic people in the world & people like you have proved it once again
RE:Kashmir has become a bleeding wound for us
by Neutral on Jun 26, 2007 03:21 PM Permalink
Common Anand,
Money is not everything in life. Our army men life is in danger every moment. U can save money by doing the following 1) Stop watching New Movies by paying huge amount for ticket 2) Stop Shopping at big malls 3) Use of Public Transport than ur own car. 4) Stop watching Cricket match at stadium. One ticket my cost over Rs 1000/-
We can happily write message in rediff bcos of the presence of army.
RE:Kashmir has become a bleeding wound for us
by biswajit dutta on Jun 26, 2007 02:53 PM Permalink
How insensitive, stupid money minded and foolish one can get...u seem to prove the point that there is no level to which the intelligence and selfishness of human beings can fall....why dont u start a charity here ...so that u can save and make some money ...i m sure many will b happy to give u after reading what u had to stay..i would like to make a begninng ..come and collect 50 paisa from my place
RE:Kashmir has become a bleeding wound for us
by Anand Krish on Jun 26, 2007 02:59 PM Permalink
As long as there foo*s like you in India the politicians will whip up anti pakistan frenzy and boost defence budgets. As high as 20% of the 100,000 crore - Twenty thousand crores goes into the swiss bank account of the politicians EVERY YEAR. Coffin scam - where they bought coffins costing few thousands rupess for 10 lakhs , tehelka , flying coffin MIG planes scam - where they keep buying outdated russian planes for high costs are just tips of ice berg.
RE:Kashmir has become a bleeding wound for us
by biswajit dutta on Jun 26, 2007 03:12 PM Permalink
the problem with u is that u know very little...and goes the saying a little knowledge is a dangerious thing..pl visit army units and see the kind of work tht happens before cribbing aboout defence budgets...i m sure making enough money in stocks ..wouldnt have been possible without the peace being ensure by the defence forces ....
RE:COWARD
by Dinkar Singh on Jun 26, 2007 02:56 PM Permalink
Because they are more Clever, what type of Independence you have got ? We are still slave of Secularists. Earlier Mughals ruled us, we didn't get freedome from them, then Christian ruled us, we didn't got freedom from them, now Seculars are ruling us. When we were fighting with Mughals for our freedom then few Secularist such as Man Singh was with with Akbar. When Shivaji was fighthing with Aurangzeb then also few Seculars were sitting in Mughal Darbar.
RE:RE:COWARD
by Ajay on Jun 26, 2007 03:08 PM Permalink
Is secularism a bad thing ?? So what if you were born in pakistan....then you would better appreciate the value of secularism.
RE:COWARD
by Anand Krish on Jun 26, 2007 03:19 PM Permalink
If patriotism means "neta bister gharam karega aur hum log marte rahenge" I would prefer to be unpatriotic . Any idea how much money these politicians have stashed abroad by defence kickbacks? British were much better. Churchill said once on Indias independancr " You are handing over the country to amoral hooligans" It is 100% true
RE:COWARD
by RAKESH DOGRA on Jun 26, 2007 03:02 PM Permalink
God forgive him he does not know what and to whom he is saying.Such characters should be called back by God at the earliest.
What a scam !! Why does J&K govt gives one of its most admired subject only Rs 160 as allowance?? Is it because he caused the failure of Gen. Musharraff in holding the Quaid post? J&K must consider itself as Indian and give at least Rs.16000 P.M. if not more. J&K govt must keep in mind that if it goes into Pakistan instead of India, Pakistan will take each drop of water from it and cause abject poverty to them, contrary to the special high-value treatment it currently gets from the Indian govt.
Response to the pro-Paki poster who says Hari Singh had no right to acced Kasjhmir. Jeenah had no right to ask for Pakistan. Congress had no right to accept Jeenahs tantrums. Islamic invaders had no right to Invade Afghanistan and India few centuries back. Terrorists have no right to blame Indian army of atrocities
Those who have looted, raped,killed innocent people in past, present and claim that they will do so in future have no right to anything in this world.
RE:Jeenah had no right to divide India
by alok singh on Jun 26, 2007 02:46 PM Permalink
What a clear and sharp-to-the point SLAP on the face of Pro-Pakis Secularists!
RE:Jeenah had no right to divide India
by Vinay Gupta on Jun 26, 2007 02:59 PM Permalink
I donot know How they dare to call Islam "A relogion of peace". I asked amny question like how a religious preacher can fight war with non believer and can kill those who oppose him and also he kills only male and takes away woman. If his follower follow him how it could be a religion of peace but no one answered
RE:RE:Indian military not pure
by on Jun 26, 2007 02:47 PM Permalink
Yamchuk your borther did not got shot by army or ur loved once did not get harrased. or ur house is not searched by army people anytime. if u happen to meet once such incident you will realise y this young guys joining such groups. you are sitting in an AC room and passing useless comments will not help. if u have guts go and stop that first.. if u stop that people will automatically calm down. sitting on mothers lap eating wth father earn and passing comments on free boards this is wht u all can do and thinking wth is written in the newspapers is ture. use ur heads no one kills innocents until they have suffered.
RE:RE:RE:Indian military not pure
by Satyajit Mahapatra on Jun 26, 2007 03:38 PM Permalink
Bad soldier behavior in a disturbed area is a world wide phenomenon. I am not saying it is good. But it is what happens when a young soldier is away from home, living in danger of death and seeing his fellow soldier's dying. In fact Indian soldiers are not the worst in this regard. While you can discipline the soldier's a little bit, the real solution is cure main problem called "terrorism" which has caused soldier presence in the first place. There was no such soldier's in Kashmir before 1989 as there was no terrorism. When the problem of terrorism is gone, these soldier's would also go away. So, first stop supporting terrorism and then you can expect peace in your homes as well.
RE:RE:RE:Indian military not pure
by chill out on Jun 26, 2007 02:52 PM Permalink
Do you mean that if some is hurt he should start killing innocents...
RE:RE:Indian military not pure
by Ranjith Seetharam on Jun 26, 2007 02:24 PM Permalink
dear shagufa ... where did you get this fact... and do u mean to say that bcoz the Army had commited such killings as you allege... terorists had to take guns.... i donot understand what do you want to convey... terrorism as a act has to be destroyed who ever and whichever religion he belongs to.
RE:RE:Indian military not pure
by jagadish achar on Jun 26, 2007 02:37 PM Permalink
u muslim politicians are not allowing for the development of kashmir to u have voted,they do only for their political gains not for the sake of kashmir people keep this in mind and come forward to develop our kashmir .
RE:Indian military not pure
by jagadish achar on Jun 26, 2007 02:25 PM Permalink
dont create nonsense,u people are killing our pandits,u people strated this type of killings and u r blaming our army for this.ur people only kill and rape the women and blame it on the army.u people give shelter to the terrosists,provide food and money for them.when our army goes for searching u simply blame them,u people stop giving shelter ,food,money and talk .
