RE:wow.
by Kumar on Jun 14, 2007 09:00 AM Permalink
Prakash Nadar you are still more Hindu than the tantri. These tantris are migrants from pre-Islamic era middle east. They have hijacked our country.
purify...what? :god?...... if a person can cause purification of temple the god ceases to be god. or the person who says that temple need to be purified. oesnt know who is god.....
Let me ask a question to all who oppose Tantri. My view is that Tantri could be wrong in judging this case. But before humiliating him, We all know that Yesudas as debarred from attending his church (from his own society), the day he penned wonderful songs on Lord Krishna. Till now, he cannot enter that church which his family used to visit and pray because of this reason. Why cant this minister address this issue too along with what he sees as a serious constitution violation? My take is such problems are there in every religion. A muslim who went to learn mohini kathak dance in Kerala has been ostracised from the entire muslim village just because he wanted a learn something Hindu Culture.
RE:About Yesudas
by seshasayee on Jun 14, 2007 08:28 AM Permalink
Well said, Mr Venkat. Perfect example. I am told that the great singer could not even perform his son's communion in his church. Somehow in this country, especially in South India, thanks to the politicians, seculiarism means Hindu thrashing.
RE:About Yesudas
by shridhara kammaje on Jun 14, 2007 08:59 AM Permalink
Let Achuthanandan answer this question.In software city Bangalore Tamil Converted christions have separate church to pray,Why they are being discriminated by by so called secular,(no caste discrimination _ they are telling) christians. Let them answer. How many people are allowed to worship their religious god after their inter religious marriage by so called sacred christian & Muslim brothers
RE:About Yesudas
by ravindra gokhale on Jun 14, 2007 08:41 AM Permalink
really good what u said is correct. Definitely being hindu Vaylar Ravi shall be eligible to enter any temple in India and looking forward priests should change their philosophy. But it does not mean it happens only in India and that to in Hindu religion. It happens everywhere in other religions one should take up such issues & think in comprehensive manner instead of shouting against and beating hindu religion always.
But Vylar Ravi and his family has full right to ask about purification and should go to court and it should not happen after entrance by any hindu. Otherwise permitting highly placed people like ministers and govt authorities only will be another grave mistake.
Christians who always say they are modern & claim for love and peace could not correct mistake of being sorry for Galileo for so many years.
Muslims can kill anybody who is not accepting their religion. At least Hindus have never invaded any country or forced people to change religion with the help of sword (Muslims )or service or financial help (Christians).
Definitely we have some social problems which will take some time to solve. But Hindu religion is most peace loving and allowing to grow your life in way u want and it is looking other religions very respectfully unlike others.
RE:About Yesudas
by dchech on Jun 14, 2007 08:55 AM Permalink
Dear Ravindra,
before commenting on religion, first you need to understand what is Hindu, Muslim and christian Hindu is not a religion, it is a 'region/place' where some people are living over there called hindus and name originated form sindhu river, in this case all indians are hindus, people are migrated from differnet place of world to india and to get supreme power in the community they made upper and lower casts. In Islam says, Islam is not a religion, It is an arabic word which means that follwers of submission to god in peace is called islam. Allah is not another god, existence of supreme power is callled god in english, allah in arabic, deyvam in south language. Jesus never called him as Jesus christ during his life time, his original name was Esha then ecome eshos and finally Jesus through latin word. Bible is meaning form the latin/greek word biblos means book.
So first learn yor religion ie baghavadgeetha, ramayan, then go to Quran/bible, finally you will say that religions are cretaed by humans.
As a indian we simply follw others and thinks that we are great and other are fools. So comeout from the box understand the world, wish the best
Do not give WRONNG info on this forum.Yesudas was never barred from enetring into any church.Infact a particular day of every year he sings in a church in Cochin (he does same thing in Mookambika as well)
When a person say he is believe in Hinduism, who give rights to the thantri to judge on his belief whether he is hindu or non hindu?.
Is any law existing to support his judgment?????.
Belief in particular God or religion is entirely depends on the person who belief in it. He have the rights to change his mind even he born as hindu or non hindu.
A hindu by birth can become a Christain, Budha, Jaina or Muslim and also a non hindu by birth can become an hindu. These all depends on the person who believe. This rights allowed by our constitution itself. So nobody can allow act against our constituion. Whether he is tantri or trustee member or temple committee or minister or government itself. I think a case may file against the tantri for his act against our constitution.
RE:RE:Belief
by ahamedmill rice salem on Jun 14, 2007 08:17 AM Permalink
here tantri act against ones belief and it is wonder that tantri have rights to decide on ones belief. this is against our freedom to believe in any religion which allowed by our constitution.
RE:Belief
by RAJMOHAN NAIR on Jun 14, 2007 07:49 AM Permalink
You heinous hindu, the thantri is performing his duty as per the temple rules and regulations. Even that small fact you are unable to understand. Hindus like you monster are to be eliminated.
RE:Belief
by Nanda PK on Jun 14, 2007 08:42 AM Permalink
let us not start a hindu-muslim-other relegions debate here. As far as I know, Muslims, Christians etc has a ritual by which a person embraces that particular relegion. But for Hindus, they become Hindus by belief. The word "Hindu" itself means 'one who believes and respects nature'. So if any person enters a temple to worship the deity there, he is a hindu for that time he believes in its idiology. But I cannot blame the thanthri for what he has done. he has just followed the existing rule, otherwise he will be tarnished as a law breaker. Also look into the recent happenings in Kerala - it is the same persons who are opposing demolishing of their own party offices built on encroached land, who are opposing a person who stictly adhered to rules - whether it is wrong or right.
believing in any religion is not a licence to enter in the worship place. can u allow any hindu in ur mosque to perform namaz without converting muslim ?
The enire episode was an unwarranted act by the management and cotorie, who controls the temple administration. As verybody agrees, hinduism is a way of life. It has adopted all most all changes in the society and the present issue is an effort to re-establish the authority of the upper cast class. Frankly, in my openion anybody who agrees that he has a faith in a diety/god/godess in any temple is to be permitted to worship at that temple as faith and belief do not have any concrete proof to offer other than the faith/belief in itself.the only condition is not to vilate the other rules of that temple.
We should be moderate and considerate enough to this extent as we claim to be the followers of hindu lifestyle.Perhaps it the most broadminded and accomodative way of life which dreams the univwersal brother hood and co existance.
If so, why at all a controversy and arguement about the basic right of an individual to worship and believe.
RE:destroy all the temples
by pathanjali nadiminty on Jun 14, 2007 06:22 AM Permalink
First of all you should be destroyed Mr. true Indian, for asking people to be killed and temples destroyed. If you want to, please make some sensible comments.
RE:RE:destroy all the temples
by Nanda PK on Jun 14, 2007 08:49 AM Permalink
trying to spread hatred in name of relegion - is it what you want. sadists like you should be hanged by your -----. You dont even have an Identity, so what right do you have to give your opinion?
This "Tantri" has contradicted himself on many occasions. For eg: he said in the interview that he is following the Guruvayoor Devaswam act. This act says all Hindus should be allowed into the temple. A followup act assigns the religion of the FATHER as the default religion of the child unless the child has been accepted into another faith. So by all definitions, as per the law of the land, Shri Ravikrishna is a Hindu and the "Tantri" must consider him as such. The "Tantri" on one hand says that he will follow the law of the land, on the other hand he says he is not bound by it as his word is the law within the temple premises.
Read the interview again. He states clearly that Devdasam act bestoes him rights to become supreme in terms of religious rituals. And he is performing that as his duty!
As far as who is Hindu, he clearly stated law which got changed 30 years back , effects ONLY Property, other rights. IT CANNOT TOUCH RELIGIOUS RIGHTS!
Period.
CPIM knows it will bite dust in the court. So, they are using these propaganda to derive caste mileage out of this. Plus, there are many minorities who appreciate CPIM;s histility to Hindus.
The Tantri shoumd do sam Purification when Ravi's son visits the temple next time.
Priest already clarified it in his candid interview why it was done. NO GOVT CAN ENACT RITUALS. NEITHER Temples Religious Scholars have supported the Minister.
RE:The Tantri shoumd do sam Purification when Ravi's son visits the temple next time
by shivendra jha on Jun 14, 2007 08:45 AM Permalink
the tantri is only answerable to rules of temple. he has authority to take decision as per the devashram act.
