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RE:come on guys...
by T a s i n on Jun 13, 2007 10:35 AM Permalink
wtf.. do u know wats full form of it... ;-) if not then u r moron go and jump into a well..
RE:Every Muslim is not Islamic Scholar, so follow Islamic Scholars in these matters
by T a s i n on Jun 13, 2007 10:37 AM Permalink
vey true.. well said irfan noor..
"ISLAM's first word was IQRA ( Read, Learn)
If our intension is only to blame ISLAM, we will get thousands of reasons."
RE:Every Muslim is not Islamic Scholar, so follow Islamic Scholars in these matters
by Anand Iyer on Jun 13, 2007 12:26 PM Permalink
Why dont u expel people like Mohammad Ali who defame muslims from Islamic Ummah? U acnnot becoz they r strictly following the Quran and u cant win a debate with these people.
I salute you for your dedication and pray for success. Hope our society can help people like you as education is the only street that obliterates ignorance. Good Luck and God Bless.
There are people in forum who understand that Islam is not to be blamed but the person who does the wrong did and quotes the religion is the culprit. Please do not ask questions which are based on some site. If you have the guts show me the COMPELTE VERSE of quran with meaning which is against Humanity I will embrass Buddihism
RE:Sensible people
by Sayed on Jun 13, 2007 10:40 AM Permalink
The Qur'an says:
%u201CO you who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news ascertain the truth lest you harm people unwittingly and afterwards become full of repentance for what you have done.%u201D (Al-Qur'an 49:6)
With regards to the last part of your question, Islam forbids killing of innocent people. The Qur'an says:
%u201C %u2026 If anyone slew a person unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land it would be as if he slew the whole humanity: and if anyone saved a life it would be as if he saved the life of the whole humanity.%u201D (Al-Qur'an 5:32)
Killing any innocent human being, whether Muslim or non-Muslim is not allowed in Islam. Even in the circumstances of war, this aspect is not to be ignored. The first caliph of Islam, Abu Bakr As-Siddique (R) is reported to have commanded Usama ibne Zaid (R):
%u201CI command you to do ten things: you must not kill a woman or a child, or an elderly person; do not cut down trees, or vandalize homes, or wound a sheep or camel except if you must eat it; do not drown a palm tree, or burn it, do not be treacherous; do not be cowardly; and you will pass by people who have devoted themselves to monastery life: leave them alone with their devotions.%u201D (Tarikh At-Tabari, V.3, p.210)
Thus killing children or innocent people are not allowed in Islam. And Allah knows the best.
RE:RE:Sensible people
by T a s i n on Jun 13, 2007 10:45 AM Permalink
Very Nice Sayed...Now our Bright Budhha is not there..coz intention is not to understand that.. Instead of hating and despising people who in name of religion misuse and misinterpret it; ppl like Budhha like to blame the religion itself. Whereas islam only preaches truth, peace and worldly brotherhood.. But as said truth is for people who wish to...
RE:Sensible people
by Miya Miya on Jun 13, 2007 01:06 AM Permalink
english text ""If you have enough for yourself then look in your family who needs it then outside of your family" ZAKAT is an arabic word for donation.
stop this copy paste from prohphet of doom and faithfreedom do you know what this Bukhari, vol. 4, no. 2934; Muslim, vol. 3, nos. 4422. MEANS??? And I have answered one of your queries and I have proved that what ever you have written is not the correct one
RE:RE:RE:Sensible people
by Miya Miya on Jun 13, 2007 01:09 AM Permalink
Dear Buddha,
show me the complete verse of Quran with the meaning you have understood I will explain the real meaning. do not copy paste from ANY SITE. IF you think you are a learned person who know in and out of quran put up the complete quran verse with meaning
RE:Sensible people
by Sayed on Jun 13, 2007 10:38 AM Permalink
The Qur'an says:
%u201CO you who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news ascertain the truth lest you harm people unwittingly and afterwards become full of repentance for what you have done.%u201D (Al-Qur'an 49:6)
With regards to the last part of your question, Islam forbids killing of innocent people. The Qur'an says:
%u201C %u2026 If anyone slew a person unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land it would be as if he slew the whole humanity: and if anyone saved a life it would be as if he saved the life of the whole humanity.%u201D (Al-Qur'an 5:32)
Killing any innocent human being, whether Muslim or non-Muslim is not allowed in Islam. Even in the circumstances of war, this aspect is not to be ignored. The first caliph of Islam, Abu Bakr As-Siddique (R) is reported to have commanded Usama ibne Zaid (R):
%u201CI command you to do ten things: you must not kill a woman or a child, or an elderly person; do not cut down trees, or vandalize homes, or wound a sheep or camel except if you must eat it; do not drown a palm tree, or burn it, do not be treacherous; do not be cowardly; and you will pass by people who have devoted themselves to monastery life: leave them alone with their devotions.%u201D (Tarikh At-Tabari, V.3, p.210)
Thus killing children or innocent people are not allowed in Islam. And Allah knows the best.
RE:Sensible people
by T a s i n on Jun 13, 2007 10:41 AM Permalink
Miya is right budhdha... If you have really read Quran or some verse of it.. quote properly if u want to have an intellectual discussion. Its very easy to copy paste some lines from some other site and sound very scholarly.. Above all picking up lines from any book out of context can give a totally different meaning.. But if your intention is just to malign some religion..Go ahead.. carry on with your bright endeavour.
RE:RE:Sensible people
by Sayed on Jun 13, 2007 10:40 AM Permalink
The Qur'an says:
%u201CO you who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news ascertain the truth lest you harm people unwittingly and afterwards become full of repentance for what you have done.%u201D (Al-Qur'an 49:6)
With regards to the last part of your question, Islam forbids killing of innocent people. The Qur'an says:
%u201C %u2026 If anyone slew a person unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land it would be as if he slew the whole humanity: and if anyone saved a life it would be as if he saved the life of the whole humanity.%u201D (Al-Qur'an 5:32)
Killing any innocent human being, whether Muslim or non-Muslim is not allowed in Islam. Even in the circumstances of war, this aspect is not to be ignored. The first caliph of Islam, Abu Bakr As-Siddique (R) is reported to have commanded Usama ibne Zaid (R):
%u201CI command you to do ten things: you must not kill a woman or a child, or an elderly person; do not cut down trees, or vandalize homes, or wound a sheep or camel except if you must eat it; do not drown a palm tree, or burn it, do not be treacherous; do not be cowardly; and you will pass by people who have devoted themselves to monastery life: leave them alone with their devotions.%u201D (Tarikh At-Tabari, V.3, p.210)
Thus killing children or innocent people are not allowed in Islam. And Allah knows the best.
RE:Miya did you ran away?
by Miya Miya on Jun 13, 2007 12:46 AM Permalink
I did not ran way Buddha, I am here BUT WHY ARE YOU ABUSING ME. And what did you understand from the verse? NOTHING. That is the reason I said stop doing copy paste if you know understand what is written you could not have send this message again.
And What Am I supposed to follow is not based on what you tell me, I have my own brain to make out what is wrong and what is right.
Do you understand what your religon says?? NO.
Why are you quoting these words dear - What a pethetic religion are you following Miya. Its clear as day light to you that MO killed uqba(Source: Bukhari, vol. 4, no. 2934; Muslim, vol. 3, nos. 4422.)
First understand what quran says then we can discuss. No point in discussing on something which you do not have knowledge about.
faithfreedom.org se bahar nikal bhai baad me discuss karenge. I am not here to discuss on ALI SENA's version of Quran
RE:Miya did you ran away?
by on Jun 13, 2007 12:54 AM Permalink
hey man please update your knowledge base about Islam. I think you need to speak to Islamic scholar..may be we can start discussion?.Reply me.
RE:Miya did you ran away?
by Miya Miya on Jun 13, 2007 01:01 AM Permalink
I believe he should practise his religion rather then critisizing other relgions. A good human being is the first thing that a person should be whether he is muslim/Hindu/Christian/Sikh or Buddhist.
And I firmly believe brother Buddha does not believe in being even a good human being
RE:RE:Miya did you ran away?
by Miya Miya on Jun 13, 2007 01:28 AM Permalink
You can quote quran as tell me to kill innocents, I do not see it in Quran. I believe in Quran rather then Imam Bukhari, xyz bukhari etc.
RE:Miya did you ran away?
by Miya Miya on Jun 13, 2007 01:26 AM Permalink
Brother leave aside Quran and Islamic teaching from all of this.
I am not here to defend Muslim [provided they practise Islam]. or to say whatever they are doing is good, a person as per islam if kills innocent there is no forgiveness for him. As far as I know I have read the correct verse of Quran. I look at it more as an political and vote bank issue rather then Islamic issue.
RE:Miya did you ran away?
by Praveen PG on Jun 13, 2007 04:47 AM Permalink
Dear Miya,
I think you should stop responding to the so called "Buddha". I don't even think he is a Buddhist. Being so aggressive and abusive goes against the basic teachings of the great Buddha.
RE:Miya did you ran away?
by Sayed on Jun 13, 2007 10:28 AM Permalink
Hate is not good for any person. I want to assure you that we Muslims also do not hate non-Muslims, be they Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhist or followers of any religion or no religion. Our religions does not allow killing any innocent person regardless of his or her religion.
The life of all human beings is sacrosanct according to the teachings of the Qur%u2019an and the guidance of our blessed Prophet Muhammad -peace be upon him and upon all the Prophets and Messengers of Allah.
The Qur%u2019an says about the prohibition of murder, %u201C%u2026Take not life, which Allah hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus does He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.%u201D (al-An%u2019am 6:151)
and Allah says in the Qur%u2019an, %u201CNor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, We have given his heir authority (to demand Qisas or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the law)%u201D (al-Isra%u2019 17:33).
According to the Qur%u2019an, killing any person without a just cause is as big a sin as killing the whole humanity and saving the life of one person is as good deed as saving the whole humanity. (See al-Ma%u2019idah 5:32)
