Don't know Y rediff & Mr. Prem Panicker is giving more importance to this incident....
Rediff is just making us as scapegoat... Can rediff provide a ultimate solution ... Its just mere publicity............
What ever happend as happend, its understood that there is a rule in place and since the rule was violated hence the purification was done.... Nothing much to debate.. As the chief priest says, any other religion people who want to enter, they have to go to arya samaj and register them as hindu... very simple... When you trust hindu god, y can't they register as hindu ????????... A temple is not musuem or gallery.......... When people claim that other religion people who has belief has the right to enter, Y dont they register as hindu and enter.... When there are lot of unethical & ill legal convertions going around our country, what the thanthri demands is ethical and legal.....
RE:Answering Brahmin-hater fascist John Jacob
by Ramakrishna Panicker on Jun 13, 2007 02:00 PM Permalink
Those mercinaries came from abroad one by one defeated us made very many churches, converted those who gone to them. And gruadually are all the things of them. Nowadays they are litting our lamps at their church, they totally adopted our names too. So, why we are selecting abuses one to other.
We here in India accepted all the religions which are from abroad, due to, it might be, our fault. They are even reaping the fruits through educational institututions too. We realise that we have no faith, that much, to our people. We admire our mistakes.
RE:Answering Brahmin-hater fascist John Jacob
by Anand Iyer on Jun 13, 2007 02:09 PM Permalink
Ramakrishna, criticising Christians is certainly not my priority. My priority is how i can improve and how hindus can improve.
But this guy made virulent attacks on hinduism saying "you hindus worship monkeys, snakes....". It was beyond all endurance. He asserted that hindus should convert to xtianity and was showing superiority complex.
So, I replied in kind -http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/jun/07inter1.htm pomting out various verses in bible. These people have to be answered in kind. Forgiveness and all such virtues shown to them is like sowing seeds in barren land.
RE:Answering Brahmin-hater fascist John Jacob
by Ramakrishna Panicker on Jun 13, 2007 02:56 PM Permalink
Aadi Shankara Acharya advised us to keep unity one to other,otherwise nothing could be possible:
shiva saktya yukto yati bhavati shakta: prabhavitum na chedevam devo na khalu kushalam spannitu mapi, atastvamaradhyam hariharavirinchadibhi-rapi pranantum sthotum va kdhamakrutapunyam prabhavati.
When we are keeping others from far of us, we are neglecting others, we are suppressing others, it would be against our principles and even against our God Almighty.
All priests should be given a refresher course in Hinduism. In Vakuntha, the door managers, Jai & Vijay stopped the entry of Sanak adi rishees. These dwar-pals were then cursed to have three births on earth as HarinaKashyap and his brother, Ravan and brother, and Kans &? However, Lord Vishnu rescued them in His three Avatars as Matsya (Whale), Ram and Krishna. For purity of temple, showers (for quick bath) may be installed at the entry, like normally done for entering public swimming pools. Also, about 5-feet circle around the image of the Deity may not be allowed entry except to puja experts. All men, women, neuters et al., have a right of darshans of their Lord. I hope management of temples should become logical and just. Hopefully, RC YashRoy, PhD (Carl. Canada)
RE:Denying entry to temple is a Jai-Vijay (Ravan-Kumbhkaran) act
by Ramakrishna Panicker on Jun 13, 2007 01:00 PM Permalink
The sheep was drinking water at the down stream of the river at the same time lion was at the upper steram. Eventhough lion shouted on the poor sheep saying "you became as question for the purity of the drinking water" and he gradually killed it.
If you are thinking that the breaze also is worn out its purity when the brease comes through the path of untouchables how you can breath it?
Why should there be such a big row over this issue? it is pathetic to see that Hindus themselves wants to blow up this issue for gaining cheap popularity.If the Devaswom has done something wrong,or denied a Hindu of his right to enter the temple,it should be solved tactfully and not make it a big issue,which in turn'll dent Hinduism and it's beliefs.
Do we find any such issues cropping up from any other community,eg: Christianity.Even though there are internal tensions and problems among them,they do not publicise it,instead they solve early and easily still retaining the name and fame of the church or the community. What we find in the Guruvayoor issue is each one is trying pull each other's leg.Ultimately they do not understand that it is Hinduism that's suffering the blow.
RE:Guruvayoor issue
by Ramakrishna Panicker on Jun 13, 2007 11:12 AM Permalink
Sreejith see the opnion of Shri. PKS Raja "My personal opinion is that the whole affair is unfortunate; it could have been managed much better. Everyone appears to have acted in haste, and the issue has led to unnecessary confrontation and controversy, which is sad."
When the head priest entertained the devotees wish it was the entire responsibility to maitain the faith of the devotees. How himself gave the Shudhikalasham wide publicity?
Therefore, let the devotees put their pain before the Lord Krishna.
RE:Guruvayoor issue
by sreejith ajith on Jun 13, 2007 11:27 AM Permalink
If Mr.Ravikrishna was denied as his mother is a christian,there's another point to be noted.Then howcome we see foreigners inside the temple in the name of reasearch and study.Are they following the rules and life of a Hndu? they are given a relaxation since its a source of revenue to the temple.
while Ravikrishna has lived the life of a Hindu,he is denied darshan.This looks like whole issue is aimed at satisfying vested interests and as an opportuinity by some to downsize some specific people.
Dewaswom should not see Temple darshan and activities as a "business" instead it should be viewed as "service". At this juncture the Vaavar(Muslim)diety at Sabarimala can be questioned.
Why should we Hindus pray and place a Muslim in a Temple.So the whole Guruvayoor issue is a foul play for taking revenge on some.
RE:Guruvayoor issue
by Ramakrishna Panicker on Jun 13, 2007 11:50 AM Permalink
Dear Sreejith, me think that you are Keralite and knows our language. All the happenings are true in fact and assessement is whether they are right or otherwise.
Our Thunchathu Aryapadar wrote in thy Harinamakeerthanam:
KASTAM BHAVANE YORU PANDIAN BHAJICHCHALAV- AGASTYENA NEE BATA SHAPIPPICHATHENTINIHA, NAKRENA KAALKATHA KATIPPICHCHATENTINATU- MORKKAVATHALLA HARI NARAYANAYA NAMAH.
RE:Guruvayoor issue
by sreejith ajith on Jun 13, 2007 12:02 PM Permalink
I understand,finally we can only discuss and debate.As we cannot get the general public to get to read this rediff forum and take cue from this,ha..ha.
Let us hope that Guruvayoor still retains its sanctity and does not get trampled due to this filthy issue. Hindus themselves should hav love for their religion and safeguard their temples and beleifs. Jai Guruvayoorappan!
RE:Guruvayoor issue
by Ramakrishna Panicker on Jun 13, 2007 12:37 PM Permalink
Yes, let Guruvayoorappan may heel the wounds of Mr. Vayalar Ravi and family caused followed by his grandsons Annaprasham ceremony. At this juncture me invite the readers to read the column of Kettatum Kelkattatum: Mathrubhumi last week by Dr. Sukumar Azhikkode.
Over and above, we need very many radical changes now in our Religion. We would count that now nobody in our state as suppressed. Each person has his/her self respect and others too have to admire it.
We are easily closing our eyes to see the exact phenomenon of the present. Please not feel bad to say about the system of the past of our Shabari Mala temple too.
Before a half century or so Keralites suffered very much to visit the serene of Sbhabarimala through the wild forests, so knowingly avoided ladies Whereas, now the situation has totally been changed. Eventhough, uneasiness of those days added as a practice, decorum, and formal procedure of Shabarimala, therefore ladies are prohibited to visit now a days.
Maata Amritananda has mentioned this fact in her writing in Sunday Supplement of Mathrubhumi. May our Gods and Goddesses save us all from wrong doings?
The general opinion of consensus with Mr Prem Panicker is not good. I request rediff to stop his articles being published. Can we have a"Report Abuse" link for all Prem Panicker article. Please remove it.
It is heard that at the regime of Kamal Padusha in Libiya himself lined up all religious heads in a row and slaughtered like animals and with this act for next very many years the entire country enjoyed peace and progress.
RE:In this Human World Some fresh Incarnation is required like in Libiya at the regime of Kamal Padhusha
by Anand Iyer on Jun 13, 2007 01:26 PM Permalink
Not Libya. Turkey-Mustafa Kamal. His views on Prophet Muhammad will shock the daylights out of our muslims. He could reform Turkey's muslims to a great extent.
RE:In this Human World Some fresh Incarnation is required like in Libiya at the regime of Kamal Padhusha
by Ramakrishna Panicker on Jun 13, 2007 01:38 PM Permalink
Correct, not Libiya.
Note to author: Idiot.. I dont know why rediff love this issue too much especially Mr. Prem Panikar. I have seen many articles where these stupids started writing their useless opinions, fights and it ends with Hindu/Muslim/Christian or Brahmins/Non Brahmins.
Why people dont understand that this is a game by rediff to gain popularity and somewhere catholic inspired cultural attack.
Stop doin this! dont play with century old temple rules. If you really want secularity then build temples where everyone is allowed. Dont mess with original temples with rules.
RE:Huh!
by Jas Sand on Jun 13, 2007 09:34 AM Permalink
Logic is simple - If Hindus are strong enough to face the attacks from the other communities they would survive and otherwise they would persish .. Its better to counter attack them instead of complaining and losing!
RE:Huh!
by Sarath Chandra on Jun 13, 2007 09:39 AM Permalink
We can also see this as a way to get into open all negatives in whatever faiths and hopefully get everything better.
RE:Huh!
by Jas Sand on Jun 13, 2007 09:43 AM Permalink
Every religion has positives and negatives - the moment you start discussing negatives on Internet, it would open a Pandora's box and needs a lot of patience on both sides to carry out a meaningful discussion :))
