Undeniable Facts: whrere there is people... there is politics. where there is politics.... there is policy involved. This is to bring and keep an Order.
and there can easily be a policy of BANNING something which is against people and the Order.
and in todays Mobocracy and socalled-freedom... there is much more requirement of such policies to keep Order.
We see..... EVEN REDIFF ALSO HAS GOT Report Abuse and BANNING policy
forget cybercafes you SS folks. I had worked on a project for Tata Telecom for my BBA on interner habits in metro cities. My research showed that "90%" of people who come to public cybercafes belong to: 1. Cybercafes are used by people to male low cost telephone calls to friends, family etc; etc; 2. Unemployed youth who can not afford a personal computer at home to search for jobs 3. Kids and youngsters to visit gambling and porno sites on the sly
The remaining 10% do stuff like checking marks, results, booking train tickets etc;
I think the SS is a bunch of unemployed, sick fools who have nothing much to do in life anyway and need these types of periodic excitement to let others know that they are around. Ignore them folks and thanks for letting me know about the hate site for the Shivaji and Balls Thakaray. I have visited orkut and added my own two bits on them.
RE:dissent
by Laker on Jun 11, 2007 01:54 PM Permalink
Which college did you for your BBA because your research sounds bullshit. Or did you just made up your research results ? Your research is obviously wroing because every one knows that majority of the people visit cyber cafe to watch porn, chat, or to orkut.
RE:dissent
by krishna I on Jun 11, 2007 01:59 PM Permalink
I did my research without any religious angle to it. it was done 11 months back in cities of mumbai, pune, nasik and baroda. i hope you realise that at that time there was no orkut vs Shivaji issue, so no reason for me to make up any result to suit orkut or shivaji.
RE:dissent
by Laker on Jun 11, 2007 02:00 PM Permalink
Obviously your research was biased because no one agrees that they visit cyber cafes to watch porn or to do chatting. What was your sample size on which you based your finding ?
RE:dissent
by The Innoculator on Jun 11, 2007 02:35 PM Permalink
hey laker stop cting like a smartass PM..his analysis is pretty ok, even i used to do the same things earlier, yes surely orkutting hs surely increased now, but mny people still use it for dating itself
Here some peole says Its ok to show Hindhu Gods and Godesses nude because we do see them nude in temples. Wt kind of hypocrasy we are talking here?
Anything & everything in this world has its limits. 'Freedom' has its limits and 'tolerance' too.
Whatever you have seen in the Temples are one way of promoting the kamasuthra in a nicer way. Place is important. You do all sort of things with your wife in your bedroom secretely and personally. Why dont you do it publicly infront of everybody? Moral of the story is there is a limit for everything and place for everything. You can not take bath in Dining room and cook in the bath room.
Some say what these Crber cafes Did? I ask them
Were you asleep when Muslims in India were attacking Hindu shops protesting Danish cartoons?
Where were you when Muslims attacking a petrol pump and burning after Mecca masjid Bomb blast in Hyderabad? wt that Petrol Bunk fellows did? Wt the sho keepers arround charminar did?
The problem is, the so-called liberals who talk a lot refuse to accept that there is a limit for creativity of art & freedom of expression and that there are certain areas, which do not come under the scrutiny of immature, irrational & idiotic artists. Religion, Culture & God are things morally connected to millions of people who have steadfast faith in them and a few mediocre artists & their supporting stupid liberals do not have the right to subvert them in the name of creativity & freedom, either in private
RE:some more Double STandards.
by Laker on Jun 11, 2007 01:44 PM Permalink
I agree with you, very well said about these so called liberals A.K.A "darpooks"
The problem is, the so-called liberals who talk a lot refuse to accept that there is a limit for creativity of art & freedom of expression and that there are certain areas, which do not come under the scrutiny of immature, irrational & idiotic artists. Religion, Culture & God are things morally connected to millions of people who have steadfast faith in them and a few mediocre artists & their supporting stupid liberals do not have the right to subvert them in the name of creativity & freedom, either in private exams or in public exhibitions. Many such cases (particularly connected to Hindu Gods & Goddesses) have occurred in the past and the State has miserably failed to punish them resulting in the perpetrators getting away scot-free. So, the people themselves punish them in the next given opportunity and only such punishments would make these so-called creative artists to refrain from indulging in hurting the sentiments of millions of believers.
As long as Courts and State authorities dont act severly on such fellows who hurt millions of people, these sort of attacks will happen and peole take the law into their own hands because State didnt protected them.
RE:some more Double STandards.
by GOGators on Jun 11, 2007 01:56 PM Permalink
the problem is not millions of people reacting, some morons are only reacting. Do you know how much is India's population. Let majority of them say your view, then i will accept. Don't simply raise issues other than what we protesting about. Do you know anything about internet and how it works if u have to close such sites then probably there will no need for internet in india.
RE:some more Double STandards.
by krishna I on Jun 11, 2007 01:49 PM Permalink
ok. going by the same logic, how come SS attacks youngsters who are sitting in a ice-cream parlour on valentine day. is it written anywhere in our religious books that it should not be done. even balloon sellers on the road are beaten up the SS goons. so all the vrobse comments can not help in justifying the behaviour.
RE:RE:some more Double STandards.
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Jun 11, 2007 01:51 PM Permalink
I am not justifying them at all. But When the State dont protect people's sentiments and their feelings, the anger will be turned like this only.
RE:some more Double STandards.
by krishna I on Jun 11, 2007 01:55 PM Permalink
ok,your personal sentiments are yours only. dont exibit them to others. why doesnt SS goons sentiments not get hurt by destruction of mangroves in mumbai? what about spitting and uriniating in public places. or are SS sentiments only in the religious level and nothing to do with social goodwill?
RE:RE:some more Double STandards.
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Jun 11, 2007 02:10 PM Permalink
Dont you spit on the roads, only Siv sainiks do? Why dont you agitate against destruction of mangroves in mumbai?
In India, Religion, Culture & God are things morally connected to millions of people who have steadfast faith in them. nobody has the right to hurt these feelings. I want to see your reaction when somebody paint nude pictures of your MOM, Sister and wife. :)
RE:some more Double STandards.
by Rahul Menon on Jun 11, 2007 01:44 PM Permalink
What on earth do you mean by Kamasutra in temples. You must be out of your minds. I don't go to a temple to understand the art of love making and i am sorry if that's what you do.
It was an older way of doing because temples are treated as holy and we have a lot of ashramaas inside temples to teach everything where there are no books and only way is to learn by art.
Today with liberalization and development, we have lot of ways to learn and it doesn%u2019t mean that you throw away out ancient culture and art.
People like you only destroy the ancient culture and talk a lot of non-sense. If you don%u2019t like, don%u2019t talk, but please don%u2019t criticize and hurt other people's feelings.
RE:some more Double STandards.
by krishna I on Jun 11, 2007 02:02 PM Permalink
pretty smart. you seem to be replying to yourself. typical behvaiour of close minded SS people. they like to hear they echo of their own voice and conclude that it is the truth.
RE:some more Double STandards.
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Jun 11, 2007 02:07 PM Permalink
Mr. krishana, This rediff Reply Functionality doesnst work propelry and aligns the replies in unorder way. I am not a SS person and I live in Hyderabad. I only tellign wt I feel and I am doing it in a nicer way and not abusing anybody.
Others are only barking at me saying I am talking a lot of nonsense. Let them talk in the way they wanted. this is the differene in the way we do freedom of expression. :):):)
RE:RE:some more Double STandards.
by krishna I on Jun 11, 2007 02:17 PM Permalink
u dont have to live in mumbai and belong to SS to be called one. ur behavious resembles them. and talking oh hyderabad, I sure am glad that BJP and similar one like SS can NEVER EVER come to power in Andhra.So, cry and weep all you can
RE:some more Double STandards.
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Jun 11, 2007 01:48 PM Permalink
It was a older way of doing because temples are trated as holy and we have a lot of ashramaas inside temples to teahc everything where there are no books and only way is to learn by art.
Today with liberalization and development, we have lot of ways to learn and it doesnt mean that you throw away out ancient culture and art.
People like you only destroy the ancient culture and talk a lot of non-sense. If you dont like, dont talk, but please dont criticise and hurt other people's feelings.
RE:some more Double STandards.
by Rahul Menon on Jun 11, 2007 01:54 PM Permalink
You seem to talking a lot of nonsense here and is completely out of depths. No civilised society will accept any one taking the law in their won hands and that is the core issue here not whether your sentiments have been hurt. My sentiments are hurt every day when i see beggars on the streets in India, people being divided on the basis of their caste, corruption and intolerance and don't tell me i can't talk if i don't like something. If i hate vegetables i will seek a medium to express my discontentment.
RE:RE:some more Double STandards.
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Jun 11, 2007 01:59 PM Permalink
Civiligation. Now you came to my point. Most Civilized societies recognise that freedom of artistic expression must necessarily clash with religious sensitivities. Mindful of this conflict, they create their own balance and draw their own boundaries to decide what is acceptable and what is not. For instance, the Islamic world regards all offence to religion as entirely unacceptable. In the West, such societies as Britain and Denmark reckon that artistic freedom is so absolute that religious sensitivities are irrelevant. When cultures clash, as they did over the Danish cartoons, each society must decide what balance it prefers.
Our problem in India is that we have no standards, no barriers and no sense of what is acceptable and what is not. Instead, each time the issue erupts, we engage in the same meaningless, finger-pointing debates, and call each other names. No principles are ever discussed. No guidelines are drawn up. No balance is reached.
And after some time, when another such incident occurs, we have the same pointless debates all over again. In the process, we learn nothing and forget everything.
RE:RE:some more Double STandards.
by krishna I on Jun 11, 2007 01:51 PM Permalink
going by the same ancient culture, do you know that rig-veda has a treatise on "atheism". it is the only religion in the world to have that. so who defines culture, definitely not slum dwelling SS goons.
RE:some more Double STandards.
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Jun 11, 2007 01:56 PM Permalink
if you say "atheism", I will say another thing. There are a lot of variations in hinduism and lets not debate the Hindhu Culture here.
RE:some more Double STandards.
by farji on Jun 11, 2007 02:08 PM Permalink
People talk of Religion like they have masters in that. Laden or Bal Thakery who seem to be more religious because they preach hate...Is this religion ......I heared that it taught love and respect.
However, Orkut has become a breeding ground for "hate" comments. Note that many countries (including India) routinely block hate sites which are against their national interests.
In any case, anyone who has heard of TOR and Privoxy knows that websites can never be blocked. :)
RE:a simple question....
by vijay vikram on Jun 11, 2007 02:20 PM Permalink
simple question ...why din't they burn the cyber cafes and din't throw stones ....just like on danish cartoonist controversy ... or ppl see only one side of the coin
The inside story of Shiv sainiks ransacking Cyber cafe was that their local leader Mr.P. Manjrekar had an enemity with that particular cyber cafe owner. That was the reason to ransack his cyber cafe, to ruin his business and livelihood rather than ill-founded love for shivaji or anyone equally irrelevant.
