India is doing extremely good under SONIAJI. Under her stock market is booming, foreign reserves are at an all time high, manufacturing is booming and internal situation is pretty good, No problems with neighbours, if small problems like gujjar reservation, dera sacha and terrorist bomb blast are taken out. This quiet christian lady will lead India to great successes in the near future. Honestly speaking how Indians want the likes of Mulayam, Mayawati, Laloo, Advani etc. to take the centre stage. But she should definitely refrain from becoming PM. Some people can be really lucky to india. We continue to need her presence at the top.Good luck to SONIAJI and India.
We very seldom get to hear the priests expanation - given the general anti Hindu/anti priest environment.
The tantri is true to his dharma. You can see throughout his comments. He does what he has to do..for the deity/the temple/the millions of devotees at large.
I think we have got a nice insight on how a person of dharma behaves and is of such an expemplary character. Nothing more needs to be said
RE:Rating the tantri
by Biju Narayanan on Jun 07, 2007 05:50 AM Permalink
Thanthri has to do what he has to do. But he is not the policy maker in a temple. Temple is established by Rishis, like sankaracharya. (there are other people also starting temples these days). They had a mission, they had philosophies behind their acts, social aims in their doing. They clearly knew what they are doing. They established rituals. Thanthri only does one thing, do the rituals without mistake. But he may not know the idea behind rituals or the social impact of temple or even won't know what the temple is there for.
That job is done by social seers, people who always watches and measures society and values etc and make appropriate changes in the society to alter social behavior, otherwise called culture of a society. Such people are scarce now. We had somany rishis who were doing this promptly in the past.
What it means is, the decision is not to be taken by thantri or Manthri (minister) or hindu extreme thinkers. Someone who understand the true purpose of temple, current society, impact of any act on the society must do that.
To all great protectors of Hinduism without whom hinduism would have perished already,
You may not probably have no idea about Yama and Niyama. Control of Kama, 'Krodha', lobha, moha, you might not have even heard about. Still your blood boils for Hindu. It is very easy to understand that you have not read or understood Vedas or Upanishads or Aranyakams or Sankhya or Loga doctrines or Yoga sutrams or anything. If you had a smell of any of these things, your mind would not have been such narrow. Hinduism is not anything that needs any protection from people like you. If it does not have the strength to surpass ages, let it go. But it survived thru ages means, you and your kind do not need to protect it. You cannot protect because hinduism and philosophy is far beyond your cognitive skills.
Read and understand Geetha. How man's fear of executing Karma restrained Arjuna from duty. Even Bhagavan has to show Arjuna his universal form to make him understand the ultimate truth. It took so much of effort for Arjuna who is a scholar already to understand things, how much effort would need to make you people understand and who can possibly do that mammoth task other than the lord himself
RE:To all protectors of Hinduism
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 07, 2007 03:51 AM Permalink
There are three things Hindus consider scared and go by:
Upanishads Baghavad Gita Brahma Samhita
Lord Krishna says "Chatur varnam maya Sristam Guna Karma Vibhagasah" in Chapter 4. It means "I created the four diivisions of soceity based on guna and karma". In the later chapter he explains the attributes of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas, Vaishyas and Shudras.
Srimad Baghavadham goes into details and explains more on Bhakthi yoga.
Humans are governed by three primary attributes: Sattva, Rajas and Tamas. Brahmins have higher level of Sattva guna and lower level of Rajas and Tamas. Kshatriyas and Vaishyas have higher Raja guna and Shudras (such as u) have higher Tamasa guna.
Us Hindus and Brahmins need not care and worry about labha, moha etc because it is intrinsically included in these three attributes. Baghavad Gita covers these aspect in greater detail.
You are not the only person who is aware of Sanathan Dharma. You have to read to udnerstand while it is in the genes of us Brahmins.
I appreciate the fact that you are aware these "philosophies" and just because you dont believe in Brahmanism which is actually a primary aspect of Sanathan Dharma, just like Swami Prabhpad says "you are a Mayavati Rascal".
If you are a true believer of Sanathan Dharma you have to accept the fact that Brahmins are the most intelligent and superior species on earth. However Brahmins are made not born! So get off the anti-Brahmin wagon. And dont toot ur horns about ur knowledge.
RE:To all protectors of Hinduism
by Biju Narayanan on Jun 07, 2007 05:39 AM Permalink
Just reading and believing Geeta is not what one must do. That is religious and idea slavery. The ideas must be tested against one's own life and see if they are true. I agree supremacy of Krishna. I also understand he is an incarnation of Brahma (not brahmin). Brahma is the ultimate thing. All others are its incarnation or manifestations. Brhma took body as Krishna so that common people can worship a tangible form. Brhama is both tangible and intangible at the same time. It is micro and Micro at the same time. Read Vivekananda's Jnanayoga to get better understanding. See how he clearly establish the argument that everything in this universe derives from Brahma. With this in mind, which is the true nature of indian philosophy which chants always 'Loka samastha sukhino bhavanthu', how can one talk about the supremacy and intellect of brahmin and keep krishna as a private property of brahmin etc. When anyone accepts sanyasam, he abandons his sacred thread, gives up everything, even his Gothram, kulam, father, mother, relations everything in pursuit of God. What does that mean. Even being a brahmin has no meaning when you set out in search of eternal happiness. These differences are man made. Many versus in Gita are not created by the original author. Many people added versus for their convenience. Do not just mug Gita and find reasons for all wrong doings in Gita in the name of Krishna. That is the biggest sin. Only universal love can bring piece, for individuals and world
RE:To all protectors of Hinduism
by Madhwa Mysore on Jun 07, 2007 06:21 AM Permalink
Ok Biju. Accepted your "universal love" theory. But why do Hindus like you(are u really one?) advise only other Hindus to universally love other religionists? Why cant you take your universal love theory to them too? We Hindus, excluding you, are fed up with this pet theory of yours as we have paid dearly with our lives and livelyhood for believing it in the past. So spare us your theory and have it shoved up your sinky arse! Gita also says to protect one's Dharma. Xtians do it, Moslems do it and to reciprocate it we Hindus have decided to do it too.....So take a hike!
RE:RE:To all protectors of Hinduism
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 07, 2007 04:10 AM Permalink
I am doing my PhD you retard! And I am coming for you b!tch a&&es. How long did u think you can suppress intelligent group of people? Did you think we are going to give up our mother land to ur missionary and anti-Hindu/anti-Brahmin a&&es so easily?
RE:To all protectors of Hinduism
by Mark on Jun 07, 2007 04:20 AM Permalink
PhD on the "Need for reservations for the resustication of Brahmins" at some Bihari univ? What have you found so far? Make sure u make Mayawati an essential ingredient in your thesis.
2/3 of you motherland has already been gobbled up by Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh and China. 25% of your remaining 1/3 motherland is occupied by minorities which will grow up to 50% once the lower caste hindus join them.
RE:To all protectors of Hinduism
by Mark on Jun 07, 2007 04:43 AM Permalink
Pro Brahmins? There are no such ppl anymore. No one has any tears for Brahmins. I think you have been shown your place. First in the South and now in the North. You better Quit India forever and never return. The milieu is decidedly hostile for you gentle creatures. The only place you will find solace these days is beneath the feet of Mayawati.
RE:To all protectors of Hinduism
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 07, 2007 04:23 AM Permalink
Truth is eternal. Honesty is supreme. Satyam eva jayate you neo-christian low-life POS. Did u mom also sleep with the Parish to get extra cash settlement for conversion?
RE:To all protectors of Hinduism
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 07, 2007 05:03 AM Permalink
Well....It was fun yanking your chain. Yippity yippity that all folks for today. Be sure to tune in tomorrow for more butt-kicking of convert-christian d!ck munchers by a Brahmins boy.
RE:To all protectors of Hinduism
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 07, 2007 04:35 AM Permalink
Big words from a small man. You seem to have a big vocabulary but a small 'dick'tionary!
Instead of hating, why dont u get off the anti-Brahmins wheel. By being anti-Brahmin you guys are merely creating pro-Brahmins groups who are otherwise quietly integrated into the fabric of Indian soceity.
RE:To all protectors of Hinduism
by Biju Narayanan on Jun 07, 2007 04:39 AM Permalink
Things are very clear. Inadvertently Human is a Brahmin, Not a hindu. He has Control of Krodha in his genes, but not in expressions. Not only Chathurvarnyam, everything, even evil is created by Krishna because there is nothing but brahma in this universe. A true hindu, in other words, a true realisor of truth, see that way. Sees god in anything.
For brahmin to be intellectually supreme, I am not sure what physical difference brahmin has with anyoneelse in the world. Any special brain or anything. In Atarva Vedha, there is an Atarva Yagna. With this Yagna, anyone can become Brahmin. At that moment, that converted fellows brain may undergo upgrade process or what. You probably may not even know the fact that many brahmins in india are converted from dravidians. They do not possess any Aryan marks. What sort of intellectual transformation must have happened then for those kind of brahmins.
Also in Kerala there are sub divisions in Brahmin. Namboothiripadu is of greater intellectuals than just namoothiri. But just namboothiri is greater in brain than Moosadu, Moosad is better in brain than elayathu. like that 7 sub divisions are there.
Bhagavan Krishnan only introduced 4 Varnams. Now within each varnam, there are enumerous sub varnams. How are the brain powers distributed among them. You must do PhD in that.
RE:RE:To all protectors of Hinduism
by Mark on Jun 07, 2007 04:46 AM Permalink
BIJU Come on! Don't you know Brahmin's have 4 arms? I heard in Delhi there are 1 arm kinds too begging on the railway stations....
RE:To all protectors of Hinduism
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 07, 2007 04:44 AM Permalink
You vermin, you dont have the slightest idea of Sanathan Dharma.
You claim to have read Baghavad Gita and yet you question the supremacy of Supreme Personality of God-head Shri Krishna. I have nothing more to say to you but since you have said that Lord Krishna is not the supreme, I am marking your message abuse!
You are just a typical low-class crap who grew up in crap.
RE:Bush the Saviour
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 07, 2007 03:33 AM Permalink
Kaisa hain app Porkistan mein? sab kuch teek hain? Kuck knoon woon chahiye aapko?
RE:Convert Hindu Temple to Churches
by Rahul Khanna on Jun 07, 2007 03:19 AM Permalink
abc,
What you have stated is the ultimate objective of Queen Sonia and the Congress Party!
This "noble" task has already begun in the Tirupati temple complex. A neophyte Christian CM (actually Queen Sonia's first poodle) is overseeing the first phase of the dismantling of Hinduism.
The brahmins are scared even if they are genuinely praised and urged to lead. Hindu organisations like RSS and VHP are branded as terror outfits. Hindus generally are very confused (as it is evident by the comments posted on this message board)!!
In effect, this is the beginning of the end of the Hindu faith!!
If any of you are fortunate enough please tour India and take digital pictures of Hindu shrines for history books and encyclopedias. After Queen Sonia and the Congress party are done with their mission, Hinduism will be relegated to history books!!
RE:Convert Hindu Temple to Churches
by NC on Jun 07, 2007 03:14 AM Permalink
Then we will my church, his church, her church etc which is even worse. Atleast we Hindus do not have my temple yet - the solution is to fix the issue we have and trust me Sanatana Dharma has been in this planet much longer then people knew who Christ was and will remain much longer after churches are gone.
RE:Convert Hindu Temple to Churches
by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on Jun 07, 2007 05:28 AM Permalink
Suddenly, all these temples will become Child Abuse center, Sex Scandal centers:)-
RE:Convert Hindu Temple to Churches
by iamansp on Jun 07, 2007 03:56 AM Permalink
what church do you want... Catholic or Protestant or Methodist...Dont event get try get the argument agian... We have problem of discrimination.. and we have to solve it that is period.
RE:Convert Hindu Temple to Churches
by crazyforsense on Jun 07, 2007 06:33 AM Permalink
Guys abc is just posting junk and having fun see Indians fight.....pure & simple.
Whether its right or wrong - reading the tantri's response, seems like they have taken decisions on solid grounds and long thought. Very impressive interview. Prem - once again a very professional questionnaire & solid response from the tantri.
The minister here just wants to make a name for himself, thats the bottomline. If he respects the temple so much, then why does he have hesitation to follow the rules. The rules are part of the temple, its not the priests diktat.
I am sure there are ways to ensure that his son can be allowed entry without a problem, there are rituals which can be performed to ensure this.
Instead he choses to make a scene with the media. The temple is not a democratic institution, you cannot have everyone debate and create rules for the temple. It does not happen this way in any religion, these guys are targetting hinduism just to increase their vote banks.
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