IF TEMPLE COMITEE DO NOT WANT TO PERMITT THE CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS ,BUDHHA,SIKHS ETC. TO ENTER IN TEMPLE,THEY ARE RIGHT. WILL ANY MINISTER WILL DARE TO MAKE A LAW TO OPEN A MOSQUE(MASJID) TO THE PEOPLE FROM ANY RELIGON? THEN WHY THESE CONTROVERCIES ARE ONLY WITH HINDUS? BECAUSE HINDUS ARE NOT EDUCATED IN TERMS OF RELIGIOUS MATTERS.THEY JUST TALK NONSENSE AGAINST HINDUISM WITHOUT KNOWING THE REASONS BEHIND SUCH MATTER.
Let the minister make a law proclaiming entry for everybody, irrespective of caste,creed or religion into all places of worship.....Hindu, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Sikh. That will be the right thing to do instead of targeting only the Hindus.
RE:entry into temples
by R on Jun 14, 2007 02:01 AM Permalink
100% true. uniform law - one law for everyone. or else none.
every religion has some flaws or the other according to the people from other religion. so why squabble. let rights and rules be defined. why only pick on one religion - so that the minority vote bank is protected ? there's a very clear pseudo-secular agenda here.
the whole exercise right now , lets not be fooled - is very very political.
RE:entry into temples
by Kumar on Jun 13, 2007 11:16 PM Permalink
I agree. This would be a very civilized thing to do. Descrimination under any pretix is wrong.
Indians need to be proud of all the Indian religions and that includes Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism. In this forum, I am finding certain rightwingers only love the caste system and are hostile to anything that condemns the caste system. They are castiest and not Indians.
RE:Indians need to be proud of all the Indian religions
by R on Jun 14, 2007 01:58 AM Permalink
looking at the message boards, it certainly looks like only you are opining, or at least you seem to be taking over the board! start you own blog! try not to impose opinions and give reminders to others such as these. people will make up thier mind or thier own, or remain as opinionated as ever! or worse still - looking at posts like these!!!
RE:Indians need to be proud of all the Indian religions
by Sarath Chandra on Jun 14, 2007 08:04 AM Permalink
What you have written has a lot of merit. Forums like these must be used for putting forward arguments and for discussion, while always recognizing every other guys right to his own opinion (ofcourse without (especially personal) abuses). The most reasonable applications for this day and age will certainly come up by themselves.
RE:Relevance is the key to a debate!
by Kumar on Jun 12, 2007 12:13 AM Permalink
Madhwa, Buddhism doesn't lack spirituality. To a certain degree all religions have some degree of spirituality in them since religion is man's response to spiritual needs, the fear of the unknown, need for security and inability to figure out the mysterious world. When Hinduism got infected with too much karma kanda and started worrying about the nature of the God rather than the behavior of the humans, Buddhism was the answer. The basic essence of Buddhism is to correct our personal behavior rather than interpret the God's behavior. As per Buddha, we are wasting too much time in trying to know the true nature of God rather than improving our own behavior and critically evaluating our own nature. Hinduism has great amounts of spirituality derived from the tribal religions that it encompassed, Buddhism was arrived at after scientific and rational thinking hence it might appear to have less spirituality as compared to Hinduism. In fact, Rajneesh called Buddhism the most scientific religion. Same is true with Jainism. As per Jainism, the universe was created in a sub second out of nothing and is billions of years old (only religion in the world to say so). Also, do you know that most of the nuclear scientists in the world are Buddhist? Scholars have even translated lotus sutra into English so that modern physicists when they face the unknown, mysterious universe can learn from the thinking of the ancient masters and why we are here. Not everybody likes scientific thinking
RE:RE:Relevance is the key to a debate!
by Kumar on Jun 12, 2007 12:13 AM Permalink
Not everybody likes scientific thinking hence Shankara frustration against the competing 'religion' of Buddhism. Also, do you know that people don't even consider Hinduism as a religion since it lacks one holy book like the Koran, the Bible or the Torah? In my opinion this is an advantage and not a drawback of Hinduism since we are leaving space open for debate rather than shutting debate down and hence allowing knowledge to stagnate. As a north Indian one never worships Muruga or Ayappan but does them make them non-Hindu Gods? The British coined the term Hinduism when they ran into the diverse cultural, spiritual and religious beliefs of the people staying in India that cannot be classified as either Islamic or Christian.
The fanatics are pointing out fingers at Christinity and Islam, this is to fool us and distract us from dismantling the caste system. Who cares about the middle eastern relgions of Christinity and Islam, these are quite intolerant and belive in the spread of their faith before the intrests of the common man and justice and ethics. Let the RSS walas not distract us from pointing out how the caste system had made India a poor, unjust and third world country. Let us tell them that India became poor, uneducated and a slave country when the so-called more talented people (based on birth) were leading the nation. India decayed under the watch of these 'superior by birth' people. Let's show them their place and take back our country from these pre-Islamic era Arab migrants who came to occupy the priestly class. Dismantle the caste system now and save India. Let's not lose focus here and ignore their distractions, tricks and personal attacks. India is fighting a race against time.
RE:A new trick of the fanatics to save the caste system
by SATYAPAL on Jun 11, 2007 10:55 AM Permalink
An institution is governed by rules & regulations formulated by its founders with borrowed logic, and, say, an already reached logic having rational errors in its. Such isms/ concepts / practices shall never have a longer currency to the test of time.
An Individual living and expressing himself/ herself with rational logic is a bigger than the force of the insitution in the sense that institution is limited to its parameters set by its founders and followed by unprudent people.
However, the era of an individual is gaining ground and scientology is to make the matrix of living more enjoying.
When individuals carry mask and they do not intend to take them off forever for a logical end with universal thinkings, the parameters shall exist and contraversies shall surface.
Madhwa, you can not even imagine that educated Hindus like me have started thinking rationally. Welcome to the new India buddy! This is what education does to people and this is the reason why the so called guardians of religion hate education and free thinking so much. In the coming future, if the fanatic self-proclaimed guardians of Hinduism don't change their attitue (which they are highly unlikely to change since they are brainwashed since childhood) then they end up being marganilized. Hear the voice to true India. Your caste based supremacy and the exploitation and sacrifice of the nation for your own narrow intrests is being challanged. God doesn't need puny defenders and guardians like you. God is not the truth but the truth is the God. And in response to my post I expect you to make a personal attack and question my religious beliefs!
RE:Buddhism was never a religion!
by Anand Iyer on Jun 10, 2007 04:13 PM Permalink
Common buddy dont compare buddhism to christianity and Islam. What harm have buddhists done to anyone??????????????
RE:Buddhism was never a religion!
by Kumar on Jun 10, 2007 07:11 PM Permalink
Madhwa you apparently have no idea about Buddhism. Buddhism is the soul of Indian subcontient. It challanges people to not waste their time in knowing the true 'nature' of God but to instead concentrate on your own 'nature'. It teaches tolerance, non-violance and moderation. These teaching whom we call Indain come from Buddhism and Jainism and not Hinduism.
RE:RE:Buddhism was never a religion!
by Kumar on Jun 12, 2007 12:14 AM Permalink
Part2: Not everybody likes scientific thinking hence Shankara frustration against the competing 'religion' of Buddhism. Also, do you know that people don't even consider Hinduism as a religion since it lacks one holy book like the Koran, the Bible or the Torah? In my opinion this is an advantage and not a drawback of Hinduism since we are leaving space open for debate rather than shutting debate down and hence allowing knowledge to stagnate. As a north Indian one never worships Muruga or Ayappan but does them make them non-Hindu Gods? The British coined the term Hinduism when they ran into the diverse cultural, spiritual and religious beliefs of the people staying in India that cannot be classified as either Islamic or Christian.
RE:RE:Buddhism was never a religion!
by Kumar on Jun 12, 2007 12:14 AM Permalink
Part1: Madhwa, Buddhism doesn't lack spirituality. To a certain degree all religions have some degree of spirituality in them since religion is man's response to spiritual needs, the fear of the unknown, need for security and inability to figure out the mysterious world. When Hinduism got infected with too much karma kanda and started worrying about the nature of the God rather than the behavior of the humans, Buddhism was the answer. The basic essence of Buddhism is to correct our personal behavior rather than interpret the God's behavior. As per Buddha, we are wasting too much time in trying to know the true nature of God rather than improving our own behavior and critically evaluating our own nature. Hinduism has great amounts of spirituality derived from the tribal religions that it encompassed, Buddhism was arrived at after scientific and rational thinking hence it might appear to have less spirituality as compared to Hinduism. In fact, Rajneesh called Buddhism the most scientific religion. Same is true with Jainism. As per Jainism, the universe was created in a sub second out of nothing and is billions of years old (only religion in the world to say so). Also, do you know that most of the nuclear scientists in the world are Buddhist? Scholars have even translated lotus sutra into English so that modern physicists when they face the unknown, mysterious universe can learn from the thinking of the ancient masters and why we are here.
RE:Xtian leader goes saffron! :-)
by Kumar on Jun 10, 2007 07:24 PM Permalink
By pointing out fingers at Christinity and Islam you cannot fool us and distract us from dismantling the caste system. Who cares about the middle eastern relgions of Christinity and Islam,dismentle the caste system and save India.
RE:Kumar is an xtian missionary!
by Kumar on Jun 10, 2007 07:18 PM Permalink
Madhwa, you can not even imagine that educated Hindus like me have started thinking rationally. Welcome to the new India buddy! This is what education does to people and this is the reason why the so called guardians of religion hate education and free thinking so much. In the coming future, if the fanatic self-proclaimed guardians of Hinduism don't change their attitue (which they are highly unlikely to change since they are brainwashed since childhood) then they end up being marganilized. Hear the voice to true India. Your caste based supremacy and the exploitation and sacrifice of the nation for your own narrow intrests is being challanged. God doesn't need puny defenders and guardians like you. God is not the truth but the truth is the God.
