RE:change faith
by Errampalle Jawahardatham on Jun 06, 2007 07:15 PM Permalink
Thank God, you have not written that the Cristians already removed your heart and kidneys and exported them to Dubai...hahahaha
RE:RE:change faith
by a saravanan on Jun 06, 2007 07:25 PM Permalink
Anybody can say anything. You can call this freedom of speech or loose tongue. If you have so much information, why dont you assist the police? You can even become a witness in this case. Will you????????
RE:change faith
by serious things on Jun 06, 2007 07:29 PM Permalink
check here, if you do not believe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_sex_abuse_cases the topic even found entry into encyclopedia.
RE:change faith
by serious things on Jun 06, 2007 07:16 PM Permalink
bad things are there in every religion: do you know how many child m-olestation has taken place in US even by priests? in islam, its slightly different- its killing/beheading instead of rape. so evil things are there in all religions. just try to make yourself good (eg dont r-ape, dont kill, whatever be your religion), thats all.
Gita preaches real equality of all mankind and not just merely fraternity of all hindus. See also the experience of Adi Shankara whose disciples shouted to Nishada (lower caste) to make way. But Nishada(Lord Shiva in disguise) responded taht the same self resides in both, so how I can move away from self?
In contrast, see Prophet Muhammad's speech which only says that muslims r brothers of each other and all muslims constitute one brotherhood. Google and read his speech.
Caste system and untouchability r practices opposed to hindu scriptures. I can quote chapter and verse to justify what i say. Let reforms of hindu society(i.e getting rid of rotten practices whioch contravene scriptural injunctions of Gita etc) be left to people in hindu society like me.
I have seen a lot of annoying xtian and muslim posts which mudsling hinduism(rather than wrong practices) without quoting chapter and verse from hindu scriptures. Why deny liberty to hindus to quote chapter and verse (i.facts rather than opinion) from Bible and Quran in response? If those verses r not to the liking of xtians and muslims-then it is not fault of person quoting them. If they can refute them, let them refute it. But they can't. So they report abuse.And u take their side. May I know whats happening?
RE:Dear Moderator
by a saravanan on Jun 06, 2007 07:09 PM Permalink
Anand let me tell you onething.
If no one reports about this message of yours to the moderator how will he[she] know your comments. so i am going to report about this. Hopefully this will be removed pemanently. Wanna bet.
RE:RE:Read this- again
by George Abraham on Jun 07, 2007 03:21 PM Permalink
Yes we cannot understand because christianity gives importance to purification of mind.
RE:Read this- again
by Anand Iyer on Jun 06, 2007 06:51 PM Permalink
Lord Krishna says in Chapter No.9, verse no.29 of Bhagvad Gita"I am equally present in all beings;None is der to me nor none is hated by me". When he says that all r equal in his eyes, who dare violate his comamnd and prevent entry of any devotee? Also See chapter 12 where he says that he expects his true devotee to be friendly and compassionate towards one and all. "ASdvaishta sarva bhutanam maitaha karunaevacha"
RE:Read this- again
by Yerra Burra on Jun 06, 2007 07:07 PM Permalink
Dear Anand,
It stands to reason that Lord Krishna is present in all beings. There is no doubt about it. It does not stand to reason to insist on flouting rules/practices/traditions of thousands year old temples and hurting the feelings of millions of Hindus.
The respected Tantri is not arrogant, it is the Mantri who is arrogant. A temple is not a government office where all and sundry will fall at the feet of the Mantri.
RE:Read this- again
by serious things on Jun 06, 2007 07:07 PM Permalink
well, i fully agree with you people: my point is this- wipe out the caste system, then hinduism will be the best ever religion for the human kind
RE:Read this- again
by Anand Iyer on Jun 06, 2007 07:03 PM Permalink
No. I do get your point. What I am saying is that Gita preaches rael eqaulity of all mankind not just merely fraternity of all hindus. In cointrast see Prophet Muhammad's speech which only says taht muslims r brothers of each other and all muslims constitute one brotherhood. Google and read his speech.
I too read Bhagawad Gita and I agree with what you quoted from Gita.
If the Lord does not hate anyone, why did he ask Pandavas to kill Kauravas? There is a reason, right? Kauravas did not respond favourably to many of his peace attempts and they were bad. So, he wanted them to be killed, even though "none is hated by me".
Similarly, just because the Lord does not hate anyone, it does not mean that everyone should be allowed inside a temple. It is a different matter.
For the sake of arguing, will everyone be allowed to enter heaven? No. Only those who do good deeds will be allowed to enter heaven.
Similarly, a temple has its own rules.
A temple is not merely a cement building, where a stone is decorated with flowers and strange Samskrit sounds are made.
It has much more to it.
Just as you read Bhagawad Gita, I suggest you also read Osho's (Rajaneesh of Pune) book called "Hidden Mysteries", which explains some of the secrets of majestic temples and explains why temples are the way they are.
Before I read that book by Osho, I too thought that a temple is merely a brick building and visiting a temple is a routine ritual.
There is very little all of us know about Hinduism.
Let us have an open mind. Let us have the humility to not question some of the things.
RE:Read this- again
by Anand Iyer on Jun 06, 2007 07:11 PM Permalink
I will raed that book of Osho. Thanx for the reference.
The Pandavas were to kill Kauravas only if necessary (i.e. if they didnot surrender or flee).(See rules agreed between two sides in Mahabharata). But even that (which was duty of a soldier) has to be done without hatred. One should not for example jump up in joy after killing the enemy. Nor u should mutilate his body etc. which our friendly neighbours love to do .
Another thing if enemy surrenders, he is not to be killed . But adherents of some other religion killed surrendered jews. Find out more about this.
A place of worship may have certain rules and customs, which others may not like to follow.
For example, the wife of Mr. Vayalar Ravi complained on NDTV program that she is not comfortable by the dress code (wearing a saree and so on) imposed by the temple. Today they will not like dress code, tomorrow they will not like Harathi and Sanskrit chants.
Moreover, we have very nice, pious Christians, who want to save all of us by evangelising us. Already they created nuisance near a few Hindu temples.
So, it is better to avoid complications. Let us not allow non-Hindus into temples.
Anyway, Christians and Muslims criticise "idol worship", "stone goids", "animal gods" and "superstitions" of Hinduism. So, why should they be allowed into Hindu temples?
RE:Read this- again
by Subrahmshu Bhattacharya on Jun 07, 2007 03:37 PM Permalink
I dont like the dress code in many Kerala temples that I must be barechested. In all the pushing and pulling that goes on in Guruvayoor for eg:, it is not a healthy practise to mingle sweat with all and sundry around you. Point is one must change with times, change must be applied with reason and thought. Not with rabid fanaticism and blind faith. God gave you intellect to apply it.
RE:RE:'Why don't they bring a law that says anyone can enter the temple..?
by on Jun 06, 2007 06:17 PM Permalink
why you people write "dh" instead of "d" (as in hindhu) and th instead of t (as in sangitha)?
RE:'Why don't they bring a law that says anyone can enter the temple..?
by Yerra Burra on Jun 06, 2007 07:18 PM Permalink
That's because English does not have the equivalent of "%u0926". It only has "%u0921". So, if you write "Hindu" it can be interpreted as "%u0939%u093F%u0902%u0921%u0941" whereas it should really be interpreted as "%u0939%u093F%u0902%u0926%u0941". "Hindhu" can be interpreted as "%u0939%u093F%u0902%u0927%u0941" which is not right either but some people (especially Tamilians and Malayalis) think that is more acceptable.
RE:RE:'Why don't they bring a law that says anyone can enter the temple..?
by Yerra Burra on Jun 06, 2007 07:19 PM Permalink
Oh, the Unicode chars are not appearing. Cut and paste in wordpad to see the representation.
Stil hindus doen't learn lessons from the past. Guruvayoor Temple issue is the same course. very few Fudel mentality people holding the stick to control the power, which they believe traditionally granded to them. but majority never questioned their fudel acts since unknown period. Shame to see every one without any objections following it.
If any body go through the history or records I am sure, nothing will find- any such authority or right granted by Aadi Shankara to any special community. All such things made by the wicked forfathers of present thanthries to hold continuation own generation in power and control for all other cast and wealth. No one required any Cast-Brahmanical knowldge to understad 'Sree Guruvayoorappan's any devotees visit will not couse reason for purification just because of his cast. Thanthries should first purify their mind to get rid off the sins they are doing knowingly or unknowingly.
RE:Shame on you Hindus
by Sanjay Chetty on Jun 06, 2007 06:31 PM Permalink
Do you know how many churches are closed because of trifles between various sub groups like protestants, orthodox etc. Just shut up!
RE:To anand
by Anand Iyer on Jun 06, 2007 06:50 PM Permalink
Disgusting. Lord Krishna says in Chapter No.9, verse no.29 of Bhagvad Gita"I am equally present in all beings;None is der to me nor none is hated by me". When he says that all r equal in his eyes, who dare violate his comamnd and prevent entry of any devotee? Also See chapter 12 where he says that he expects his true devotee to be friendly and compassionate towards one and all. "ASdvaishta sarva bhutanam maitaha karunaevacha"
RE:To anand
by ems nnn on Jun 06, 2007 07:04 PM Permalink
Ok. Noble thought !!! Let All Brahmins be wise like you. But you didnt answer my question!!!!
RE:To anand
by on Jun 06, 2007 06:15 PM Permalink
places of worship should be free for all who wants to go there and pray with a pure heart. irrespective of his caste, religion and colour.
