RE:where can i buy a pistol ??
by krishna shastry on Jun 05, 2007 06:00 PM Permalink
As soon as you give up your low caste reserved seat and join back std.5th, you can figure out how much it would cost to buy a pistol and from where.
If the temple management is of the view of not permitting non hindus, well then that's their decision and others should respect it. No one should be offended by it. Its only those people who are complaining who themselves never go to their own places of worship.
RE:Well
by Vas on Jun 05, 2007 06:19 PM Permalink
Thank you! Finally someone who sees sense. Thats what all the hindus are saying - it is THAT particular temple's rules, and one should respect it. All institutions (religious and nonreligious) have their own rules and regulations. There are plenty of temples in India that allow anyone to walk in without question. The majority of Indians complaining here never visit any place of worship, except before an exam or during the time of wedding or some such thing. Yet, they all find the time to complain and whine about entry rules and regulations of someone else's place of worship! Again, many here declare themselves to be marxists and atheists - and yet here they are complaining/whining about entry rules. Ironic!
Religious Leader: Science does not have the proof of EVERYTHING in the universe yet. There are so many things missing at the fundamental level. So my boy, please turn to religion.
Student: Does Religion have the proof of all the missing stuff at the fundamental level?
Religious Leader: No my son.
Student: Does Religion have the proof of ANY of the stuff in the universe?
Religious Leader: No my son.
Student: I am confused. You are expecting me to turn away from Science which explains most of the stuff, and embrace religion which does not prove anything at all??
Religious Leader: You should not expect proof from Religion. Its called blind faith.
Student: Are you telling me that I should expect proof from Science and not expect proof from Religion?
Religious Leader: Yes my son.
Student: That sounds like double standards.
Religious Leader: Hmmm...
Religious Leader: Ok, now Where did life come from?
Student: From a primodial soup of chemicals
Religious Leader: You know my son, life is so complex, there is no chance that a random combination of atoms could have created life.
Student: No one is saying that a random combination created life.
RE:Reason
by Nandakumar M on Jun 05, 2007 06:13 PM Permalink
Well, this leader doesn't posess knowledge. A real leader would have first said 'there is a proof in religion', second, he would have said 'science has been only proving what is already mentioned in the religion, and science is not able to contradict religion'. And a real leader would have said 'use your stupid brain and use the theory of extrapolation, and don't reinvent wheel by trying to prove religion'
So dear, religion also says a qualified guru is required to properly understand religion and that there is proof for every question, its just that you need to ask it to the right person. Its a simple logic.
God is one and all human being should be allowed to enter if they would like to do. At the same time, it is also a point to note that to worship and believe in God it is not necessary to visit a temple, church, masjid or gurudwara. After all, God will be pleased with the kind acts of each human being and therefore, we can pray to Almighty God that may He direct us thru the right path and may He for forgive us for the sins we have already done, willfully or unknowingly. There is no way human can escape from the sins he has done to fellow human being and all other living things in this world. Everybody should accept that each one of us will be rewarded for our acts, so it is crystal clear that the reward we will be getting will definitely depend upon our acts during the life time. When will we understand all these things? Will there be a world, where humanity will be kept at high? Let us pray for the same.
RE:Entry to the Guruvayoor temple
by biz Narayan on Jun 05, 2007 06:07 PM Permalink
While 'humanitarian' logic has been used by powerul people as a basis of interpretation, it has been subject and been easily hizacked. It will be appropriate to discuss these when there is no political and mob attack on the proponent of other ideas.
The Senior Tantri has tried to put things in to clear perspective. He is not the law, he is obeying a tradition. Good that Hinduism has evolved traditions (albeit blind)to keep the internal environment and external environments clean. As a thorough practioner of Vedas, he is not wrong as he did his duty. Sons or cronies of politician should shed their ego atleast when inside the temple. There is no question of humiliation when a cleaning act is performed. The sanctity of the temple is supreme and only because of such sacrosanct tradition, the legacy of Guruvayur temple is sky-high. Regarding the question of non-hindus entering temple, temple is a place of worship for hindus. With what sensibility does a non-hindu enter a temple? What is his/her business inside if he has no faith in hindu rituals and religion? There is no scarcity of places for worship for non-hindus in this 'communal' India. Let believers who seek solace from faith in Hinduism, enter temple. Why make a temple a marketfare for all and sundry? The 'discrimination' tag will be now hung on all hindu temples by the Vayalr Ravi and his cronies. Did anyone ban any religion or anyone practising any religion in this vast populous India? Did anyone banish a non-believer from the face of earth? Did any Muslim prevented from entering a Mosque or for that matter Hindu from a temple? What if a hindu takes his belief and rituals inside a mosque? What if a christian takes his rituals inside a temple? There are
RE:When in Rome, be a Roman
by siddharth banerjee on Jun 05, 2007 05:54 PM Permalink
defenite places alloted for every personal/community acts. Like a bathroom is to take bath, like a temple for hindus to worship, like a church for the christians. To alter the age-old wisdom in the name of freedom, is total lunacy. If a christian is baned from praying in a church, that is 'discrimination'. If a hindu is denied access to enter temple, it is 'discrimination', if a moslem is not allowed to offer namaz in a mosque of his choice, it is 'discrimination'. Please get this simple things right. If politicians are told to obey the rules of the land, it is not humiliation. If a priest or an engineer is doing what is expected of him, it is not high-handedness. If a Govt officer doesnt do his duties, what should be the consequences? If a civilian is prohibited by military from crossing the LOC it is not an affront on his freedom of travel. Same way, a christian is best placed in a church than in a temple where he will totally lost in finding peace of mind. Thank you, young Indians! Change is necessary. Not for the sake of change alone.
