I feel that anyone who has faith in Guruvayurappan should be permitted into the temple, even if he has been born into some other religion. Now the question is how to separate the faithful from the "tourists", who are there to see the temple, and anyone who is out to create trouble(the temple is too crowded anyways, so we dont want anyone extra people :) ) Anyone who by his own admission is a bhakta of Guruvayurappan should permitted to enter. We cant have all people entering the temple signing declaration vowing their allegiance.
So how about this ... Anyone how has to enter the temple has to hold his hands above his head and cry out "GURUVAYURAPPAAAAAA" before entering the temple .. :)
RE:Practical Solution
by Seven Maniacs on Jun 06, 2007 10:12 AM Permalink
good one! But nobody was prevented from entering! So we shall have to wait for sonia to be prevented from entry first!
I can understand when tantri says he just followed the rules. But these rules or so called tantras are not there in any of these holy books like Vedas and Upanishads. So these tantras are made by our ancestors for whatever reason like keep away lower caste people from temple..Today for survival of Hinduism, these tantras or rituals need a re look. We needn't follow same old rituals without any introspection. First of all temples should allow all people irrespective of their religions and castes. Discriminating based on caste and religion in a god's place is unwarranted. Let them follow purification ceremony for other purposes as said by priests like vomiting etc.. Need of the hour is change the tantras in such a way that Hinduism will be acceptable to one and all.
Its a simple case of man with Chief Ministerial ambitions to make his voice heard in the congress echolons and have sympathy towards him.
Readers please note , No is disputing anyones religious rights. Issue is why do u wish to meddele in someone elses Temple. Stay in your own religious mosques or churches or gurudwaras. No one is objecting, its when u interefere in someone elses temple of worship the dispute has started. That too to create a political point when the LDF government is in a midst of a crisis and some one from Congress like V Ravi who himself is a Chief Ministerial candidate. This issue to use the sacred Temple to score personal political points is the biggest of contention.
Infact people from all religions should condemn V Ravi for playing dirty politics.
Now he will shed crocodile tears to gather sympathy from the congress high command. And the end result being project himself as the most favoured chief ministerial candidate from the Congress.
Notable has been the absulute ignore of the issue from the Congress high command, as his detractors in the Congress also know what games he has been playing in this isssue.
There is no religion involved but simple politicing to score a point against both with the LDF as well as with the Congress High Command. In the end make the Temple of Guruvayur the scapegoat.
I think someday such a forum might lead to riots because of foolish comments made by individuals who are literate enough but not "educated" to understand that religion is personal.
I found the priest explanation fairly logical and there does not seem to be any malice on his part.
I don't see the discussions below talking anything about whats written above. Add value to the write-up or our knowledge base. I read comments to understand perspectives and not to see some silly fights.
RE:Interesting discussion on this website
by crazyforsense on Jun 05, 2007 07:48 PM Permalink
@Avinash....well said
Most of the times & especially when you see religion related issue, huge number of comments have nothing to do with the REAL issue, instead it is just a bunch of people throwing insults at each other.
RE:Interesting discussion on this website
by Jarnail singh on Jun 05, 2007 07:58 PM Permalink
agreed dear dsouza their is no restriction in churches for hindus to enter. people should have ask them why schedule castes were not allowed to enter temples earlier? they think christians are born without the will of almighty? does air, water, soil, fire, clouds, rain, sun, differntiate with christians and hindus. will of god is prevailing in nature. nature never differentiate among human being. if these tantris are studying vedas then they should have study them in proper manner. then they will come to know what vedas says. because of their ignorance and stupid attitude hindus are being convert to christianity. but hindus are stopping them to enter in their temples. oh god what this state of mind. whole world is creation of god and all human beings are equal. there is only one caste humanity. guru gobind singh said "manas ki jaat sab aike pehchanbo."
RE:Interesting discussion on this website
by R Tyagi on Jun 05, 2007 08:30 PM Permalink
dear jarnail, it is matter of belief, and belief is not based on logic, simple analogy : when dera chief wore the dress of Guru Gobind Singhji, the people, the religious heads who have unchallenged faith in Guru Gobind Singhji felt offended and did what they could. would you say they are wrong, maybe and may not be, when u devote urself to somebody u go by the belief and heart and not logic and head, keep the distinction in mind, it is always applicable
Apparently, this whole incident is like a cartoon show. There are millions visiting the temple every day, how does the tanthri know how many non-hindus are entering the temple. It is totally irrational and stupid custom. Time better sense prevail the authorities. However, as a minister, he has no authority to blame and genralise a community. He is supposed to be a people's representative and he should have restrained from responding emotionally and bluntly. Anyways, he is getting the applause from the right corners of his party and has a great future.This is Cartoon network unlimited.
RE:Cartoon Network Unlimited !
by Jarnail singh on Jun 05, 2007 07:42 PM Permalink
is their any restriction in churches for hindus to enter. why schedule castes were not allowed to enter temples earlier? do you think christians are born without the will of almighty? does air, water, soil, fire, clouds, rain, sun, differntiate with christians and hindus. will of god is prevailing in nature. nature never differentiate among human being. if these tantris are studying vedas then they should have study them in proper manner. then they will come to know what vedas says. it is painful to see when hindus are being convert to christianity. hindus are stopping them to enter in their temples. oh god what this state of mind.
RE:Cartoon Network Unlimited !
by Surya on Jun 05, 2007 07:44 PM Permalink
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Hey non - hindu is not a robber and heck he cares if he is caught in temple and cleaning temple is no jail.
I wish Ravi's wife had gone to a nice church and taken a nice baptism dip in a flowing river in order to clean off the dirt she accumilated by visiting temple.
Let revolutionary politics stay in academics. The marxists are disturbing people, they talk of revolution, violence and have no respect for elder and sages.
RE:Let Revolutionary politics stay in academics
by Jarnail singh on Jun 05, 2007 07:46 PM Permalink
is their any restriction in churches for hindus to enter. why schedule castes were not allowed to enter temples earlier? do you think christians are born without the will of almighty? does air, water, soil, fire, clouds, rain, sun, differntiate with christians and hindus. will of god is prevailing in nature. nature never differentiate among human being. if these tantris are studying vedas then they should have study them in proper manner. then they will come to know what vedas says. it is painful to see when hindus are being convert to christianity. hindus are stopping them to enter in their temples. oh god what this state of mind. whole world is creation of god and all human beings are equal. there is only one caste humanity. guru gobind singh said "manas ki jaat sab aike pehchanbo."
RE:Let Revolutionary politics stay in academics
by abhishek nair on Jun 05, 2007 07:25 PM Permalink
Biz,
It is all a power struggle. Vayalar Ravi wishes to throw around his ego. The temple priests are resistant to change because it will make them seem weak. There is no pure side here.
RE:Let Revolutionary politics stay in academics
by biz Narayan on Jun 05, 2007 07:32 PM Permalink
Abhisek, I think It is a sacred tradition of hindus, where the world is eternal but ignorance. They have their universal symbolisms in temples they keep it alive. Minister Ravi shouldn't take it personally, because in name of lord the tantri would be 'purifying' himself so many times a day.
RE:RE:Let Revolutionary politics stay in academics
by abhishek nair on Jun 05, 2007 07:54 PM Permalink
This is a local temple tradition, not a hindu tradition - please read my previous point.
The tantri is right on most points here, except for two critical arguments he has failed and avoided answering here. First, he carefully creates an analogy to compare punyaham after someone's entry into the temple to punyaham after vomiting/blood shedding. He knows very well that the two are not the same. The latter is a natural body act that is considered impure but does not render the person impure. So, it is the act that requires purification. The former punyaham, is required when someone who is not believed to be of the faith enters the temple, which is an insult on that person, if he/she is a follower of Hinduism. At the heart of this lies the archaic tradition, as the tantri pointed out, that a mother's children takes the religion of the mother. This is an extremely chauvinistic perspective and one expects better of a supposedly egalitarian religion. What would have happened if Ravi had a daughter by his Christian wife and that daughter had a daughter and so on? Aren't they "non-believers" in the tantri's eyes? In the end, one should not go by what these temple priests believe to understand Hinduism. All a true devotee has to do is go back to the basics - the Gita - to understand who are true devotees of Hinduism and who are not. And when one does so, one realizes that a Hindu is not chosen by a temple priest or a temple tradition, but a Hindu is a person who approaches God a
