'Tantri the Mantri' - There used to be a Tinkle (the comic book from Amar Chitra Katha) series by this name about a Minister who wanted to be King. Now its for real!!! Isn't that a co-incidence
If Brahman do not permit SCs in temple they should not go there they should make there own temples and should make there own priest,ther should not be any hue and cry on this,since it s happeneing thousnand of years in India Brahman make rest untouchable.But the untouchables should proclaims himself untouchable with pride,no body can make any one untaouchable when God make all people equal,Islam do not allow descrimination in the name of colour catse and creed.Islam is a religion of equality and give equal rights to all human.A black lowest catogry person can lead prayer and a king can read under his leadership
RE:Islam the religion of equality
by zaheen usmani on Jun 06, 2007 08:09 AM Permalink
You please also stop false propanganda against Islam and also get correst the spelling of your name it is Bismillah,not as you mentioned. for launching false propaganda
RE:Islam the religion of equality
by Shankar Varma on Jun 06, 2007 08:12 AM Permalink
Islam though is one of the tolerant religon as told by my friend. I guess people who no about the religon can talk about it not any tom dick and harry can say these is good or bad.
The temple is a holy place and accordingly there are some rituals that need to take place as and when the need arise. If someone doesn't like it they can stop going to that temple and can go elsewhere where there are no restrictions. Why is the minister making big hue and cry when it comes to his family? Doesn't he know that it is the process that is carried at that temple, for thousands of years? Let them make a law about it and the Tantri will follow that.
RE:Nothing wrong in what Tantri did
by ekalayva on Jun 06, 2007 08:24 AM Permalink
Did any Church say only christians are allowed inside the church ...
RE:Nothing wrong in what Tantri did
by Knight Knight on Jun 06, 2007 08:38 AM Permalink
Church guys are so nice that most of the time they pay non-believers if the non-believers agrees to come to church and pray.
Missionaries are so self-less in their service that they arrage jobs for jobless, food for hungry, education for poor and ofcourse find a suitable match for the person if he or she is ready to do a small adjustment i.e CONVERT TO CHRISTIANITY.
RE:Nothing wrong in what Tantri did
by Hoodoo Hunter on Jun 06, 2007 09:01 AM Permalink
I think it is worth converting to christianity if the church does all this, something which neither the govt nor the temple nor its brahman priests do!
RE:Nothing wrong in what Tantri did
by ekalayva on Jun 06, 2007 08:42 AM Permalink
Why cant hindu do the same. If you dont want that people to change into christian why cant you provide them with what they give may be more to stay as Hindu
RE:Nothing wrong in what Tantri did
by Knight Knight on Jun 06, 2007 08:59 AM Permalink
Religion is to be practiced willingly not as a Give and Take...Sorry brother Hinduism is not about buisness and not for sale...We don't need bought Hindus...
RE:Nothing wrong in what Tantri did
by Ya Mustafa on Jun 06, 2007 09:06 AM Permalink
You dont need bought hindus but the americans have bought all your brahman hindus . That is why they are running away to christi land america leaving their motherland?
RE:RE:Nothing wrong in what Tantri did
by jaydeep dalwadi on Jun 06, 2007 09:13 AM Permalink
Mr Mustafa,
They are going to usa for job. All of them are atleast engagin themselves in some work. Not like you who won't do job and not let others do. Who won't live and not let others live.
RE:Nothing wrong in what Tantri did
by Sanjeev Tiwari on Jun 06, 2007 09:14 AM Permalink
"You dont need bought hindus but the americans have bought all your brahman hindus . That is why they are running away to christi land america leaving their motherland?"
Dude get your concepts right. People go to US just to earn money. And thats the reason why you have Temples, Gurudwaras and Mosques in US. People who go to US they have the right skills to be there. now you couldnt make it to US that doesnt mean that u were not ready to convert to Christianity.. its just because you did not have the guts to stay away form your fellow muslims and you did not have the guts to face the world
RE:Nothing wrong in what Tantri did
by Shyam Sundar on Jun 06, 2007 08:35 AM Permalink
I dont know about the church, BUT, THIS IS THE PROCESS IN THAT TEMPLE !!!
RE:Nothing wrong in what Tantri did
by jaydeep dalwadi on Jun 06, 2007 09:08 AM Permalink
They won't say that. You know why? because they want to convert. But yes if you happen to be in Rome then you will certainly see the bias.
The day vijanagara empire fell to mughals, sixty thousand(60,000) brahmins were slaughtered in just one week. The portugese issued an order to convert or be killed to brahmins in the goan area, as a result several thousand's were killed.
Now all this is forgotten, however purifying a temple because a non believer entered in it has caused a storm in India, where were these people when thousands of hindus were butchered, where are these people when thousand are being coverted in tirupati ??
You should understand it right. What does it mean when they say it's "just a procedure"? There has to be a purpose for the procedure. If you are purifying after a childs vomit or incontinence, it is basically to cleanse it for Hygiene. Which makes lot of sense.
What is the purpose to do "purification" after a "non-hindu" visits the temple? Other then it being a sinister act whose purpose is to hurt/Insult someone not your own ilk.
The Tantri goes on to say Father's Religion does not matter, here in this case it was Ravi Krishna's mother (a christian) being his problem. So what would be his reaction if a some "Khan" visits the temple, but whose mother is a hindu? He being born to a hindu mother.
Any sensible, reasonable human cannot but be appalled by this decision of the tantri. The politician is immaterial, it only helped bring out the bigotry practices indulged by these high priests to the open.
RE:RE:Who is he fooling?
by Indian on Jun 06, 2007 05:53 AM Permalink
Nobody is fooling man. Tantri is just following the rules practiced by his family over years. If you have faith on God and that temple then follow the rules. Else God exists everywhre, you dont have to go to any temple. Or go to any temple, there are thousands in India.
RE:Who is he fooling?
by Seven Maniacs on Jun 06, 2007 09:11 AM Permalink
let a khan first enter my friend! We don't need to entertain arguments for hypothetical situations.
RE:Who is he fooling?
by Mark Zorro on Jun 06, 2007 11:38 AM Permalink
Rajesh, that was one reasonable thought among a bunch of gibberish nonsense and abuses. Like you, I too was in a christian school (because that was the best in our city), remember to have also read biblical history and never once thought of becoming a christian (though many here seem to assume so based on the name).
Every religion today has it's share of bigots and practices that seem to defy & contradict their own core preachings and morals.
The tragedy is they run the show.
So the best a person can do is point them and move on with your more important things of life - family & work.
Seven Maniacs, the "Khan" thingy need not be hypothetical. It could happen. A certain Sarod Maestro, the nation reveres, is married to a Hindu Lady (perhaps a brahmin). According to our tantri, they only look at matriarchal lineage, which means their children would not invite a purification. My opinion (as one decent practicing hindu), allow everyone who wishes to visit and maintain the decorum of the place.
For, A Late Bismillah Khan & Abdul Kalam are devotees of Goddess Saraswathi and are people of great distinction to be cherished for their contributions. It would be a sad day for the nation & hindu religion to see them hurt by overzealous bigots.
RE:Who is he fooling?
by Indian on Jun 06, 2007 05:53 AM Permalink
Nobody is fooling man. Tantri is just following the rules practiced by his family over years. If you have on God and that temple then follow the rules. Else God exists everywhre, you dont have to go to any temple. Or go to any temple, there are thousands in India.
RE:Who is he fooling?
by rajesh bhaskar on Jun 06, 2007 06:03 AM Permalink
Mark i studied in christain school for 15years. but i don't believe in christ or churchs. saw i don't want to enter in churches. if you can't worship the way other religion worship better you not enter to see what is going on. like wise let hindus go in thier temple. if you are beliver of hinduism convert yourself as hindu by going to some arya samaja temple as philip m prasad did legally and then enter temple. jesusdas also can do the same . why should a christian or muslim goto temple. if we can't worhsip allah or mohammed we should not goto mosque. but the way vayalar family is treated is not fair. but otherwise no issue. this is not a big deal...we have sister abhaya got killed, many kashmiris gets killed , many rapes are going on, mammotty and rich film stars are taking away land..none is an issue for most of the guys. because hindus as they or not organisation like muslims and christians any body can talk about them. unfortunately our social organisations and saints like mata, sai etc are cautisus about saying that we need hindu unity.
RE:Who is he fooling?
by bb on Jun 06, 2007 07:17 AM Permalink
why do u want to bring Mammootty and all in this. Please forget religion. First of Mammootty just purchased a land not taken up any land. It was illegal property from the prior owner. Why people are hunting on religion even for drinking water?
RE:RE:Who is he fooling?
by Seven Maniacs on Jun 06, 2007 09:13 AM Permalink
and the attempts to organize hindu religion are termed as 'non-secular' by hindus themselves :)
If Vayalar Ravi does not belive in the rule of the temple he should not visit one. The rule of the temple is not/should not be decided by the judges or any civilian.
These are the same politicians who use caste to get reservations from school admissions to jobs. If they believe everyone is equal will they forfeit this opportunity to try it just through merit.
RE:Politicians are Hypocrites
by Indian on Jun 06, 2007 05:59 AM Permalink
Good one, when it comes to reservation then they forget about equality. If you have faith in tht temple, go there. Else you can go to any temple. Does he think God that exists in that temple is different(or superio) than what exist in others. :))
RE:Politicians are Hypocrites
by ravi prakash on Jun 06, 2007 09:42 AM Permalink
Mr Vayalar Ravi is a Hindu and has said so in his interview. He believes that Guruvayur is the holiest temple but he does not accept the rules followed by the priests of the Temple. If the institution called Guruvayur includes not only the idol but also its priests -hereditory or otherwise and the temple practices then Mr Ravi is wrong in denouncing such a practice as followed by the priests. On the other hand if he is a believer of Lord Krishna then it does not matter where he goes to pray and it becomes inconsequential what practice is followed at Guruvayur. Mr Ravi is politicizing the practice followed by Guruvayur and in the process destroying the Institution called Guruvayur.
