Mr. Vayalar Ravi is a shameless politician. If he and his son had an iota of self respect they would not have gone to Guruvayur temple for the feeding ceremony of the infant as the same controversy had cropped up during Ravi Krishna's marriage also. Any one who is visiting a temple is bound to follow the customs prevailing there and crying hoarse later is not a mark of civilized behaviour.
I had not gone inside Shree Padmanabha Swamy Temple at Trivandrum despite staying within walk-able distance for over a month as I did not like the custom of wearing a borrowed dhoti (since I am not a resident of Kerala I did not have a white dhoti) for going inside the temple. Our politicians and their progeny think they are born to rule and have an inalienable right to bend every rule in the book. This fellow does not know that "discretion is better part of valor"
RE:Temple entry
by Utpal Dutta on Jun 08, 2007 03:48 AM Permalink
Everyone is thinking Mr Ravi, somehow, is working for christianity cause! Raising an issue, then will try to politically grab and then will make way for the missionaries! Is India acting secular way by any chance? Events say she is not!The poliiticians are main ly responsible! This power showing has started from J L Nehru'' s time! The "Hindu Marriage Act 1955" ios the example, passed by the number power against constitution!
RE:Temple entry
by Baalakrishnan Meenakshisundaram on Jun 13, 2007 03:45 PM Permalink
Rightly said Mr.JGN, It has become a practice for these ruthless politician to use there power and money to poke their nose into everything contraversial and create chaos. Why is that people are so bothered about hindu temples and hindu customs that are age old. Guruvayoor is one those very few temples that still maintains that sanity and these crooked moeny eating pig aren't ready to tolerate. Infact Guruvayoor devasom must sue that useless vayalaar ravi and his stupid son for creating such chaos.
I always have wondered about the human willpower. if it as an averge joe like lot of the guys posting here this man also would have turned a blind eye OR eventhought of cooking up a favor with the mighty minister. But he DIDNT !!! He implemented a rule in the book!!! He alongwith the minority of soldiers / policemen / judges / officials and the people who go by the call of duty makes the country tick. Its only a matter of time when this minority also gets wahed away and we end up in civil war / anarchy. Can see that in few years though!!! All you enlightened citizens scream and make sure that the SYSTEM fails !!!!
"If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you."[Matthew 17:20]
Can you command the mountains to move from one place to another and will they move? Y If u can do this, I will accept that ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed. that is all and not perfect or complete faith. If ye cannot, then ye have no faith or what is stated is wrong.
RE:Saravanan-can you do this?
by on Jun 07, 2007 11:49 AM Permalink
Mr. Iyer, Thanks for quoting Matthew 17:20. I do not know how much knowledge you have with bible. But I could understand that you are a nut to take the verbal meaning of it. If you had knowledge as a grain of mustard seed, you would not have said that. Even this is what is happening with Kerala people. They are the one who speaks about anything under the sky as if they have created it.
Before God all are equal, say it be the tantri, devote, K. Karunakaran, the ordinary man. But I find it is different in Gurvayoor. I have never heard of someone going to church and then get the priority of getting confession, or get the priority of receiving the Holy communion, etc. I have heard from my professor that while he was workshipping inside Guruvayoor temple he was literally kicked out of the way by the security guards of K. Karunakaran.
Does your God segregate people? I do not think so your God(s) are this narrow minded.
Om sarve bhavantu sukhinah Sarve santu niramayah Sarve bhadrani pashyantu Ma kashidukh bhagbhavet
Sabka mangal Sabka mangal hoi re Jan Jan mangal Jan Jan sukiya hoi re Is darathi ke har ek prani Sabka mangal hoi re Tapo bhuvan ke sabi tapas Sabka mangal hoi re
Om dyaun santi. Antharikshan santi. Prithvi santi. Apah santi. Aushadayah santi. Vishve devah santi. Visve nara santi. Brahma santi. sarvan santi. Santireva santi. Sama santireadhi. Om santi.. santi.. santi.
RE:Saravanan-can you do this?
by Ordinary Man on Jun 07, 2007 04:34 PM Permalink
May all be happy, all be healthy.. May all experience good things and never bad things...
May all have well-being.. May every human person have well-being and happiness.. May every living creature on earth have well-being.. May all the rishis and munis have well-being...
Let there be peace of the sky, regions, earth , water, plants, peace of all the celestial powers, peace of all human persons, peace of God and peace of all, May this peace be with you and with me.. Om peace, peace, peace...
RE:Saravanan-can you do this?
by Ordinary Man on Jun 07, 2007 12:54 PM Permalink
You feel that I am a Christian. That is what I understand from your sentences. Fine.. Let it be that way. For me serving "Prani" and praying for every "Prani" is my duty. I prefer serving them more than praying.
They were Christian Missionaries or Christian missionaires turned Archaryas or Swamies. They were beyond religion. They were people who tried to found the best in Indian culture, indian religion.
Anjali Ashram, Shantivanam , etc are all ashrams they have started. People who are open minded has accepted that. To accept all these you need have an open mind.
"Marriage of East and West", "The Cosmic Revelation" are books written by Bede Griffith. Those people stood for inter-religious dialogues.. They were not confined to any religion, but people. Like these books there are many where one can understand what is Dharma and What is Divine.
Fine.. Let me stop this.. Nice .. Let peace be with everyone. (again the same old xtain cheap tactics.. ah?)
RE:Saravanan-can you do this?
by Tinda on Jun 07, 2007 04:14 PM Permalink
Your god segregates beleivers and non believers and throw the latter to be burnt in hell. This is worse than casteism. Hindus dismicrinate against dalits in this world, but your condemn believers in life and afer death too by throwing them in hell.
RE:Saravanan-can you do this?
by Subrahmshu Bhattacharya on Jun 07, 2007 04:10 PM Permalink
You are totally wrong here Saravanan. Churches do discriminate between people for their money power. The Haj pilgrimage does discriminate between the Sheikhs and the ordinary people. All organised religion discriminates between those who can pay and those who cant. Those who pay support the "organisation" those who cant are supported by the "organisation".
A guy in such a position made this stupid things. god or great people will never tell such things against any religious. I think these priests wants to keep their identity, how u can do that by doing these kind of silly discriminations. I don't believe that great persons (Adi Sankara) might have given such stupid rules to follow against other religious people, if he had said, then he is not the person to be followed.
RE:follow basic rule of humanity `
by anilkumar unni on Jun 07, 2007 07:58 AM Permalink
If You dont believe then go to hell...... it is not easy to get to a level where tantri is sitting now... if you are anywhere near him, u would know Mr Gar... the name says u are not a kerealite even... i am one... so comment with sense...
RE:follow basic rule of humanity `
by Baalakrishnan Meenakshisundaram on Jun 13, 2007 03:59 PM Permalink
Mr.Gar, With all due respects, please don't just type anything that comes to your mind without thinking a bit and that too in these common forums.
It is clearly the political tactic of that political pig vayalar ravi and his dumbo no.1 son Ravi, playing card and trying to show the power of their money and position. When vayalar ravi knows that Guruvayoor temple has these rules, why the heck should he let his dumbo son to enter the temple in the first place, that to for the second time. Don't blame a righteous old man for doing his duty sincerely. To get to that position, you need great perseverence and hardwork. Don't think it the same way like becoming a politician overnight by doing gundaaism. Please try to respect elder if not anything else. May god help you cure fast.
RE:RE:follow basic rule of humanity `
by anoop nair on Jun 07, 2007 10:01 AM Permalink
Mr.Gar, This is not about Tantri making the other not enter the temple, this is a pure case of political dramas..This political pims want to get vote out of this... They know that the so called uppercast hindus are not going to make any problem to there vote banks .. if tantri say don't vote for these people hardly his family memebers will obey.. but the same time if Bishop ask for vote one person..75% will do that...So don't worry , One day POPE will come and do the poojas in the temple and tantri will wait outside the temple ....
V. Ravi should resign and deal with his family affairs... We all know in kerala that ..he is a dirty politician.. who will do anything and everything to get to power! worthless... he should just follow the rules at temple.. he is no one to change the rules which has been followed for years...
RE:V. Ravi is trying to make a fuss out of this
by anilkumar unni on Jun 07, 2007 07:52 AM Permalink
fit for nothing Ass... He is the biggest sin to Kerela... Usless guy...
To better understand Jesus and some of the things that he did....read "Autobiography of a Yogi' by Paramahmasa Yogananda. It is one of the all time best selling spiritual books. This was written in 1945 or so. It is a must read. Just read the reviews in Amazon.com.
RE:To Jesus Ram
by Anand Iyer on Jun 07, 2007 10:14 AM Permalink
Read also www.jesusneverexisted.com. One should evalauate all shades of opinion-for and against before taking a stand on anything
RE:To Jesus Ram
by on Jun 07, 2007 11:48 AM Permalink
Mr. Iyer, Thanks for quoting Matthew 17:20. I do not know how much knowledge you have with bible. But I could understand that you are a nut to take the verbal meaning of it. If you had knowledge as a grain of mustard seed, you would not have said that. Even this is what is happening with Kerala people. They are the one who speaks about anything under the sky as if they have created it.
Before God all are equal, say it be the tantri, devote, K. Karunakaran, the ordinary man. But I find it is different in Gurvayoor. I have never heard of someone going to church and then get the priority of getting confession, or get the priority of receiving the Holy communion, etc. I have heard from my professor that while he was workshipping inside Guruvayoor temple he was literally kicked out of the way by the security guards of K. Karunakaran.
Does your God segregate people? I do not think so your God(s) are this narrow minded.
RE:To Jesus Ram
by Tinda on Jun 07, 2007 04:09 PM Permalink
"Does your God segregate people? I do not think so your God(s) are this narrow minded."
You idiot, your god segregates believers and non believers and eternally burns the latter in hell for the sin of not worhsipping him. This is worse than casteism.
RE:To Jesus Ram
by Ordinary Man on Jun 07, 2007 05:51 PM Permalink
Tinda, You are also in the group of people who thinks that I am a xtian. Let it be that way. I am a man down to earth, thinking down to earth, living down to earth. Forget about out of the world things.. Be good and do good to people when we are in earth.. Believe in mankind..
When we are trying to solve problems with mankind, you are trying to solve problems with God! Dont think of later.. think of the former.. you and me can do it...
Let there be peace of all human persons, peace of God and peace of all, May this peace be with you and with me..
Though a large majority of brahmins are not above average intellectually, they find it most uncomfortable to be normal humans along with other community members. They pose to depict as super intellectuals not only in a particular field but also in every field almost. They prefer to be advisors to people of other communities and religions for ever! The Sind civilisation itself proved that they, in absence of Brahmins, were highly wise and intelligent thousands of years ago as known to the world over! Of course, they are villainic with much cunning and manipulating capabilities before which innocent and really valued cannot stand before! Only with such tactics, they could conquer the dravidian civilisation and try to continue such a role of manipulation to accomplish any benefits! Of course the impact of Ramaswamy Periyar in the past had a great effect on this particular sect. The enormous ego they possess, though avoid to declare openly, except on few conducive occasions, do project on every occasion! The rejection here to accommodate other religions into Guruvayoor Temple, though many other Hindu temples in Kerala and even in the neighbouring state of Karnataka permit other religions too is another clear instance of their intense ego! Now they try to play politics by dragging Stalin into the picture to prove that they are also so very cunning to utilise opportunities in their favour who are not fitting to the good old highly cultured traditions of ancient India!
RE:Brahmins don't find comfortable when subdued!
by Gautam nil on Jun 08, 2007 09:49 AM Permalink
Mr. Nair you are jumping from the issue on discussion here to a non-issue here! Let us not plunge into any one's personal life! Do you know what is the personal life of the head of one of the richest and reputed Hindu Matam of south India? Let us therefore forget the personal lives of any including yours and mine which some where may stink! The issue here is ENTRY INTO A GOD'S ABODE!Talk on the merits/ demerits of E.V.R Periyar's opposition to Brahminic unceremonial ego!
RE:Brahmins don't find comfortable when subdued!
by Nachikethas Nair on Jun 07, 2007 11:21 AM Permalink
Are you referring to the great Ramaswamy Periyar, who married a girl who was not an adult, in his old age?
RE:Brahmins don't find comfortable when subdued!
by Ranjith Parakkal on Jun 07, 2007 11:58 AM Permalink
Gautam,
Yesterday you had written caste conscience is still present in Kerala, despite it being literate and so on.
Today you yourself talk with a casteist mentality. Not just that. Even brought the caste-equation into this incident where there is none. Cant think of a better example of hypocrisy. Sad ....
When will you ever stop blaming Brahmins(mind you, I am not one) for anything and everything ,and get on with your life.
Periyar(with all due respect to him, he did do a lot of good to Tamil society) do anything about his own community discriminating against the Dalits. All he did was rant against the Brahmins. What about the Vaishyas and the OBCs who discriminated against the Dalits ?? Are you one of them ??
RE:RE:Brahmins don't find comfortable when subdued!
by Gautam nil on Jun 08, 2007 10:11 AM Permalink
Mr. Ranjit Parakkal, I reiterate that the casteism amidst so called Hinduism is extremely dominant to the extent it is stinking especially when the state is declared as a literate one! So, I plead that mere passing 10th, 12th and gradution in present system of education is not the right type of education which is proved beyond doubt as education should enlighten to honour every life as equal without heeding to such narrow divisions on the basis of stinking casteism in this modern era when we anticipate a life from extra terestrial planet to land who should be invited readily with warm welcome heartily to join our civilisation as one with us! When I totally against casteism how did you infer I talk for casteism. When bias gets into you, you may look every thing as bad as an yellow glass wearer sees everything as yellow. Please shed you bias which is very dangerous! I rightly blame the supremacy of brahminism without any stuff with them to praise! As good qualities are present with any irrespective of particular caste, few of them may also may possess which is denied. But taking advantage of few valued in brahminism if they try to enmasse claim themselves as supernatural, we,, the present real intelligentia will never accept to digest that idea. Your venemous prejudice has gone to thatextent of calling me as lower class, about which I am the least offended but I pity your display of filthy mind!Superiority lies in lofty thoughts and ideas! Perhaps I prove that I am in a bet
"Jesus is the Son of God. Came into this world as a man. To pay the price for our sins. He died for our sins, so that we maybe saved and have eternal life."
I don't know why we Hindus fail to understand the above wonderful teaching of Christians.
Why can't we understand the sacrifice of Jesus Christ?
RE:RE:What a sacrifice!
by Tinda on Jun 07, 2007 04:26 PM Permalink
George: Both Muslims and Christians claim "Only our God is true." One of them is lying. Which one? That is the truth you have to discover. Hope you do not discover it too late.
RE:What a sacrifice!
by marat on Jun 07, 2007 09:46 PM Permalink
Tinda When Is you Life spanend And your time to go from this place You will feel sorry on the judgement day
RE:What a sacrifice!
by Pavan on Jun 06, 2007 10:50 PM Permalink
Guess what, Jesus is a great soul, but christianity has killed many innocent souls in his name (spanish inquisitions, europe inquisition , middle east, africa and asia), now i am beginning to think, what was the reason to spread the religion by way of sword or coerced conversion ? Also there are people in India, there are who have died for their country and its people so that you can live in peace, what do you say about them, are they not equal to the status of jesus ?? Why should anyone be forced into religion ??, what does religion do ?? Look around the world today, every strife is because of religion
RE:What a sacrifice!
by Tinda on Jun 07, 2007 04:23 PM Permalink
Jesus is a hoax. Christianity is run by some people to collect tithe (10 percent of your monthly income) and enjoy a life of luxury without doing a honest day's work.
RE:What a sacrifice!
by Murli Ramchandran on Jun 15, 2007 09:59 AM Permalink
i am by birth a hindu brahmin,but i believe that all religions have their own values and principles.what do you really know about jesus christ to make you hate him so much that you call him a hoax.you are in fact writing this article in english which is definitely not a language promoted by hinduism.do grow up and learn some sense before pointing fingers at people and trying to hurt religious sentiments.
