once i went to church on sunday priest was giving so called bread dipped in vine (presenting as jesus blood) i too stood in the que but when my turn came i was told to moove as iam not christian,we hindhu believe in sanathana dharma not like muslims where in mohammed says kill kil kill no muslim believers hindhu is the most tollerant dharma which others are taking undue advantage how can a muslim comment on the santhana dharma when they cant give enough rights to their own woman who are treated so badly by their community
RE:pitty not knowing the facts and commenting about hindhu dharma
by MOHAMMED AZIZUDDIN on Jun 06, 2007 11:42 AM Permalink
Unni,
How ironic is the headline of your message "pitty not knowing the facts and commenting about hindhu dharma" that u urself do not know anything about Islam and prophet Muhammed (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)and yet you are audacious enough to make blasphemous remarks concerning the prophet.
Just look at the following - what the Glorious Quran and the noble prophet say:
Allah (subhanahu wa ta'ala) ordained in the Glorious Quran Chapter 4, Verse 36 ,the meaning of which is translated as:
"Serve Allah, and join not any partners with Him; and do good to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbors who are near neighbors who are strangers, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (you meet) and what your right hands possess: for Allah loves not the arrogant, the vainglorious"
The Messenger of God, Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) said: "The most perfect in faith amongst believers is he who is best in manner and kindest to his wife."
I advise u to learn something about Islam before u make stupid comments. Hope u will make earnest efforts in learning what Islam is. All the best.
RE:we search for god - religion is only vehicle to reach god
by SHAHRUKH NIZAMI on Jun 06, 2007 10:52 AM Permalink
Please find your answers. 1. Islam never teach Sunni and Shias to fight. Even brothers fight between them. 2. Islam never divide people in Shia, sunni, ahmadia, aga khan etc, etc. These divisions came when people fought among them selves like brothers fight between them. 3. Saudi arabia is a biggest zakat (Charity) distributer in the world. How you can say they treat muslims worst than slaves. 4. They marry their children to any of muslim from any nation. But there is no chance because the community in saudi arabia is very conservative. 5. Citizen ship is a matter of nations interest. Its not a matter of Islam. Dont attach it with religion. 6. Kafirs are nothing but Disbelievers. a. Looting is never thought by Islam. b. Raping is crime in islam and punisment of raping is very harsh (death sentense in islam). c. Killing of kafirs are acceptable only if they are against in the fight of holy war. 7. The treatment Islam give to women is respect. 8. Islam fights only for peace. If some one makes terrorism then its not the teaching of Islam.
In these modern times where, even clubs are enforcing dress codes and restricting members for non compliance the rituals followed by the Tantris were correct. Knowing all these rituals Mr Vayalar Ravi should have either abstained from the temple or should be magnanimous enough to take the rituals as normal procedures, instead of making such a fuss. If somebody is not willing to take you, why you want to go to their place and get ill-treated? Just stay away without creating problems, let others who follow the rules shall go.
RE:just stay away
by aswathy ajay on Jun 06, 2007 12:40 PM Permalink
WELL could you please explain what is the difference between hinduism and brahminism, if vayalar ravi was born as a brahmin, do u think that such a fuzz would be created, y should he be abstained from the temple, it is those tantris who cannot understand a fellow human being can understand god???? it amuses me y india is till being dominated by racist brahmins, will such a god survive in that temple, a man who has gone to ISRO is still stupid, then y won't our space missions fail? let these racist people be cleansed first, then let us think about cleansing the god, supreme court should interfere to abolish this racist hegemony
Why should non-Hindus be allowed into a Hindu temple at all? What is the logic in allowing non-Hindus into a Hindu temple?
People who hate Hinduism, people who believe that Islam and Christianity are better than Hinduism converted into other religions. Their hearts are full of hatred for Hinduism. Now, why do you want to visit a Hindu temple? Why do you want to look at a "stone"? Why do you want to look at "animal gods"? Why should non-Hindus be allowed into a Hindu temple?
RE:Why should non-Hindus be allowed into a Hindu temple?
by Santu Katakam on Jun 06, 2007 10:42 AM Permalink
You are right Dheeraj, in India Hindus are treated as minorities.. Here, is anyone (political party, media) has the dare to comment against Muslims, Christians?
Because Hindus are disunited and unable to save their temples, culture from the onslaught of Marxiss, Missionaries and Organized Islamists in Kerala.
Their temples are looted, temple property is appropriated and most importantly an anti-hindu sentiment is created which divided them along caste THUS HINDUS LOST POLITICAL POWER.
I know this is one of the very unfortunate incedent...after reading this interview what i can understand is no one is sure what Adi Shankaran actually might have conveyed as there is no written rules available...Tantris have liberty to mend these rules...So I believe they have done is and still trying to enforce it...
This is not an issue with Hindus alone...I have seen this even in muslims...some of the very pious muslim people dont eat non-veg from non-muslim restaurants...understandably because of hallal thing...but i have seen people not driking water from a non-muslim people...
yesterday somebody was saying some one wasnt allowed into the chruch in russia cuz she wasnt a chirstian...
so this crap exists in every religion...and you dont need liberlisation to thing this is unfair...all you need is a lil commom sense...
RE:Religion Again...
by Narad on Jun 06, 2007 10:06 AM Permalink
Friend you are on dot, everywhere in world the crap is self evident, only that due to ignorance some Indians think only it happens in India which is wrong.
Rediff why good mails are reported abuse and abused mails continue for longer time you can check yoursef you put the abused mail upto atleast 12 hours.Why do you take a lot of time in scrutiny.I am ashmaned to see people using ugly languages.This is show our moral decay
RE:Biased Report Abuse
by Narad on Jun 06, 2007 10:01 AM Permalink
According to you what is good? Only what you say? One sample is below, preaching Islam whereas we all know in Islam Shias & Sunnis slaughter, does the Arabs & Pathans treat the converted as true or duplicates......we know.
RE:Biased Report Abuse
by zaheen usmani on Jun 06, 2007 10:11 AM Permalink
What I say is not only right you also say right and other people too.Ever one has right to express their views but in decent manner but is this a forum to abuse and use abusive languages if it is God save us from the forum.You can check yourself the languages
If Brahman do not permit SCs in temple they should not go there they should make there own temples and should make there own priest,ther should not be any hue and cry on this,since it s happeneing thousnand of years in India Brahman make rest untouchable.But the untouchables should proclaims himself untouchable with pride,no body can make any one untaouchable when God make all people equal,Islam do not allow descrimination in the name of colour catse and creed.Islam is a religion of equality and give equal rights to all human.A black lowest catogry person can lead prayer and a king can read under his leadership
Islam do not belive in racial descrimination any person from any colour caste region can embrasse Islam and get equality so it is not Khichidi 2.Sunni Shia fight for their personla political gain they do not do descrimination 3.all the Muslim and human are brother sudia people do not treat rest Muslim or other religion persons as slaves,a lot of hindus keralite are working there . 4.Looting Dacoity innocents killing all are prohibited either it is non muslim or Muslim 5.rape is stricky punishable and in islamic country like saudia arab and Iran rapist is hanged or stoned till death. 6.Killing any innocent is not forbiddenable either muslim or non muslim. 7.It is better you ask muslim women yourself 8.There is no need of conversion.
RE:Islam
by Antonio on Jun 06, 2007 09:58 AM Permalink
hey islamic faggot. Don't try to bring caste into the equation to divide Hindu brethren. If you had read the article you would have understood that the issue was regarding religion, not caste.
RE:Islam
by Meenakshi Vijay on Jun 06, 2007 11:43 AM Permalink
Please do not confuse Brahman and Brahmin! It is sad that we are taught bible and isalm in our schools and not about Hinduism!!! With such limited knowledge about our culture, heritage and biased information, such confusion are bound to exist. . For your information out of the 63 nayanmars only 5 are brahmins , rest belong to other varnas. If Brahmins were as bad as they are being projected, then we wouldn't be having 63 nayanmars, it would have been only 5. While I don't say that no attrocities existed ; don't blame squarely on the Brahmins, other upper castes too behave that way. Infact it exists in all religion Sunnis against Shias, Catholics against Protestants .. The problem lies in us,the Convent / missonary educated types, where the other religions are glorified and Hinduism merely broken down as a religion of castes, Our history books never speak about the goan inquisition or the Tipuu sultans rage against the Nambiars .. Hello look into your own world before pointing fingers.
RE:Islam
by Anand Iyer on Jun 06, 2007 10:02 AM Permalink
Zaheed, it is one thing for u to criticise the actions of the priest which I also do. But quite another thing to boast about Islam. This is what the Prophet said at his last sermon: "Learn that every Muslim is a brother to another Muslim & that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood.Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow muslim unless it was given freely & willingly. Do not therefor, do unjustice to yourselves." So, this inmplies two things 1.Only muslims are brothers of each other. 2.Muslims should not cover what belongs to a fellow muslim but he can covet what belongs to a non-muslim.
Thus, Islam treats non-muslims as second-class citizens. Even muslims are treated very badly in Islamic countries. Sunnies treat shias badly and vice-versa.See how badly Pakistan treats Ahmediyas . See waht attrocities Pakistan's Army committed on muslims of Esat Pakistan (now bangladesh). There is no democracy in any Islamic country.
RE:Islam
by Narad on Jun 06, 2007 10:11 AM Permalink
Who says there is no untouchability in Islam? A non Muslim cant get work permit to enter city of MeccaMedina.
The Muslims ruled India for 700 years, yet look at pathetic condition of majority, becausing the ruling Mughals-Pathans-Persians treated the converted as out cast & did nothing for them
RE:Islam
by keith pavlak on Jun 06, 2007 10:26 AM Permalink
Well...lemme ask you this...if Islam is so cool and treats everyone equally..would a non-muslim be able to go into Mecca mosque, walk around, touch the kabbalah...??? there wud b no visible parts of the person left...so please dont talk outta ur a$$...discrimination is part and parcel of every society...its not a religion based issue.Its at the core of man.In India its discrimination based on caste and creed, In europe its discrimination based on class, in the middle east its discrimination based on religion, in the Americas its discrimination based on color,in China its discrimation based on political and religious beliefs. So lets not simplify things by saying..If you were islamic things wud be awesome...this is a human issue...
RE:Islam
by Indianatbangalore on Jun 06, 2007 10:13 AM Permalink
They are not stopping any Hindus. They are stopping Other religion just because. Everybody agree that if anybody does not believe something why they are going inside. Temple is nota museum or theatre to have fun. Guys lets stop playing with others emotions. We are not asking anybody to get converted.
Dear All, most of the priests of all religion are making fool to their followers and earning money examples are Operation maya of Cobra Post IBN 7, Ajmer Shareef priests,Jama Masjid Bukhrai and others are expoliyong people.There followers are sitting on the computer in taking part in discussion they remove and hide all the proper responce and discussion and rediff take a lot of time to check it.Rediff pl. expose these false propaganda
I am sure people from Guruvayur temples are deleting the massages which are against the attitude of brahman Mahant
RE:Fake Priests
by on Jun 06, 2007 10:05 AM Permalink
Hey stupid moor usman, this is none of your concern but since you have posted some crap, let me address it.
Bhukari and other Imams etc. get paid by the govt through the wakf board and have property of crores (restaurants, buildings, land etc). The Hindu priests get a paltry sum of a few hundred rupees every month (and Rs.ZERO through our secular govt/constitution).
Also, this is not a caste issue. This is a religion issue. So go to some other page and post your crap there.
I dont blame you for your dementia. I guess this is what happens due to centuries of inbreeding. Poor you!
